What is your opinion about NYC's gun laws?

In 2008 the U.S supreme court ruled that you are allowed to keep a firearm in your home for self defense. I live in NYC and it's extremely difficult to obtain a pistol license/long gun permit, and concealed carry is no issue. Furthermore, the rest of NY state requires a license. I'm 22 years old and been the victim of a crime 4 times, including 2 burglaries. Right next door to NYC is PA where you can just walk into a store and go home with multiple pistols if you're not a convicted felon. Bloomberg is anti-gun and wants congress/the president to come out with new legislation for gun control. I personally believe they should get rid of the permit requirement for long guns in NYC. What do you think about NYC's gun laws?

I like it. Never been robbed by an armed person. Never needed to have a gun myself. I hope the rest of the U.S. follows.MgamerBD

So you want only criminals to have guns and law abiding citizens to not be able to defend themselves?

They're ridiculously strict. Due to their laws I'm unable to moonlight as private security, unless I chose to move to the city thus giving up my current job as a suburban police officer.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I like it. Never been robbed by an armed person. Never needed to have a gun myself. I hope the rest of the U.S. follows.LegitGamer3212

So you want only criminals to have guns and law abiding citizens to not be able to defend themselves?

*shrug* I'm ok with them. Honestly I'm neither pro or anti gun ownership. I don't feel the need nor desire to own a weapon, so I'm pretty indifferent to gun laws.dagreenfish

well what if a home invader broke in your house at 12am, according to the news it does happen often.

Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.Borrizee

[QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.cslayer211

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

[QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.cslayer211

Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.Borrizee

Sounds like stupidity to me rather than a wise proverb.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.tenaka2

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.Borrizee

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"] Scenario 1 *serial killer breaks into your house and tires to kill your family* *you ask him nicely to leave* Scenario 2 *serial killer breaks into a pro 2nd amendment house* *serial killer meets Smith and Wesson* Scenario 2 seems a lot better to me.cslayer211

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

Everyone who owns a gun thinks they practice proper gun saftey, obviously this isn't the case.

perhaps there wouldn't be so many guns in the hands of criminals of 1 million guns were not stolen from gun owners homes in the u.s. every year... yeah crazy thought I know.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.tenaka2

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

tenaka2

Everyone who owns a gun thinks they practice proper gun saftey, obviously this isn't the case.

perhaps there wouldn't be so many guns in the hands of criminals of 1 million guns were not stolen from gun owners homes in the u.s. every year... yeah crazy thought I know.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

tenaka2

Everyone who owns a gun thinks they practice proper gun saftey, obviously this isn't the case.

perhaps there wouldn't be so many guns in the hands of criminals of 1 million guns were not stolen from gun owners homes in the u.s. every year... yeah crazy thought I know.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]Simple,weapons are stupid. Youse words and try to understand eachother. If you don't just understand that there are other opinions. That's the beauty of it,learn from every Pearson you encounter...no I'm no priest just a civilized man.tenaka2

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]yup for you. Scenario 1 you here something in the garden at night,take your gun and go watch it...you see something and go after it,slow but steady you move closer. You yell to stop or you will shoot. It's to dark to see but you see a shadow and shoot...it was the neighbor...drunk and on his way to find his home. Scenario 2 your shop gets tracked by young guys,you try to stop them but there laughing at you. One youngster is holding his hand in his pocket and says" back up or I shoot" you go back take your gun and shoot him. The only thing in his pocket was his hand. Borrizee

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"] Scenario 1 *serial killer breaks into your house and tires to kill your family* *you ask him nicely to leave* Scenario 2 *serial killer breaks into a pro 2nd amendment house* *serial killer meets Smith and Wesson* Scenario 2 seems a lot better to me.Mafiree

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

tenaka2

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is a higher change of you killing yourself with your own gun rather then a serial killer walking into your house.

The u.s. mind set that more guns = more safety is maddness. If followed to its logical conclusion then a point would come that if the total amount of guns increases to a certain point then all crime would stop.

Can you see the flaw in this reasoning?

tenaka2

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] There was been statistical analysis done that proves the point (more guns = less crime).......Mafiree

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

You never addressed the fact that a million guns a year are stolen from legal gun holders. How does this help the crime situation?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] There was been statistical analysis done that proves the point (more guns = less crime).......cslayer211

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

That is exactly what he said '(more guns = less crime)'

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

tenaka2

That is exactly what he said '(more guns = less crime)'

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

So at a certain saturation point of gun ownership all then America would become a crime free utopia.

How many guns per-person are needed before this day of enlightened is upon us? 2? 4? 10?

tenaka2

You never addressed the fact that a million guns a year are stolen from legal gun holders. How does this help the crime situation?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] Crime is committed based of the obtaining some tangible gain from committing said crime. All guns do is raise the "cost" of committing the crime, the benefit remains the same............Mafiree

You never addressed the fact that a million guns a year are stolen from legal gun holders. How does this help the crime situation?

You do, the u.s. has more people in prison then any other nation.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You never addressed the fact that a million guns a year are stolen from legal gun holders. How does this help the crime situation?

tenaka2

You do, the u.s. has more people in prison then any other nation.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"] Not really true, especially if you practice proper gun safety and know what your doing The logic is perfectly reasonable because you won't get guns out of the hands of criminals even if strict gun control went into place. It doesn't matter if it's even possible to disarm criminals who obtain illegal guns (I don't think it is), it's not fair game for a criminal to be able to overpower a women who otherwise could defend herself with a gun.Mafiree

Everyone who owns a gun thinks they practice proper gun saftey, obviously this isn't the case.

perhaps there wouldn't be so many guns in the hands of criminals of 1 million guns were not stolen from gun owners homes in the u.s. every year... yeah crazy thought I know.

Except owning and driving a car is somewhat more necessary than using a gun.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You never addressed the fact that a million guns a year are stolen from legal gun holders. How does this help the crime situation?

tenaka2

You do, the u.s. has more people in prison then any other nation.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Everyone who owns a gun thinks they practice proper gun saftey, obviously this isn't the case.

perhaps there wouldn't be so many guns in the hands of criminals of 1 million guns were not stolen from gun owners homes in the u.s. every year... yeah crazy thought I know.

oldmanriver1

Except owning and driving a car is somewhat more necessary than using a gun.

I can use a car to get me from point A to point B and I can use a gun to get my dinner.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="Borrizee"]no offence taking dude. I love talking to people with other visions than mine. First a criminal does not know when your armed or not. Second hate wakes up hate. I don't believe in utopia but its the duty of police and state to protect(yeah I know:not happening) but we must go in that direction. Not the Wild West mentality of arming everyone. Greets. Borrizee

I am seeing alot of "Its to defend my own home", however I hardly ever see or hear of anyone doing exactly that with their guns. The reason why is that I think people don't really know what its like to shoot someone and therefor the gun in their house is purely a mental boost of security rather than something that actually comes into defending usage.

For example, how many people here know of someone who has gun who has then defended themselves by shooting someone else?

Also interesting, the police in america seem to be given an extremely hard time by cases of lots of police shooting people, however I can't imagine what the outrage or maybe none would be if an innocent memember of the public shot someone and killed them as they were about to "attack them".

I can guarantee you that there isn't a single criminal who genuinely wanted a gun and was unable to get one because of the control laws which makes them all a gigantic failing from jump street.

Really nothing worth mentioning after that.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I like it. Never been robbed by an armed person. Never needed to have a gun myself. I hope the rest of the U.S. follows.LegitGamer3212

So you want only criminals to have guns and law abiding citizens to not be able to defend themselves?

I can guarantee you that there isn't a single criminal who genuinely wanted a gun and was unable to get one because of the control laws which makes them all a gigantic failing from jump street.

Really nothing worth mentioning after that.

Alter_Echo

Doesn't this just mean that more people will murder somebody and claim self defence?

Sorry, I have a bad habbit of putting question marks on the end of factual statements.

Doesn't this just mean that more people will murder somebody and claim self defence?

Sorry, I have a bad habbit of putting question marks on the end of factual statements.

Leejjohno

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Doesn't this just mean that more people will murder somebody and claim self defence?

Sorry, I have a bad habbit of putting question marks on the end of factual statements.

Borrizee

I read it in some army book :P

Violation of the 2nd Amnendment, but then again its a crime ridden haven in certain areas. But the Big Apple is too demographically complex to assume that a lack of legal ownership is the reason for high crime rates

[QUOTE="Borrizee"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Doesn't this just mean that more people will murder somebody and claim self defence?

Sorry, I have a bad habbit of putting question marks on the end of factual statements.

Leejjohno

I read it in some army book :P

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"]*shrug* I'm ok with them. Honestly I'm neither pro or anti gun ownership. I don't feel the need nor desire to own a weapon, so I'm pretty indifferent to gun laws.LegitGamer3212

well what if a home invader broke in your house at 12am, according to the news it does happen often.