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#51 MakeMeaSammitch
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I'm talking in general, and that is indisputable. In theory, or practice, it's subjective. Only thing that isn't subjective is the landslide of support towards time-outs. I've had my share of whippings. I had it worse. My cousin got it even worse than I did. And we both deserved them. I don't say that because I think kids should get what I got. I say that because getting grounded, or getting "the talk" didn't stop me. Whippings did. Most times.

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:roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.

but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

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#52 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Lol oh please. That was nothing. My siblings and cousins (not me, I was a good kid for the most part) got it much worse than that in their childhood, and now in their adulthood, they still maintain a great relationship with their parents. We just all know that there's a line that mustn't be crossed.Shottayouth13-

That was brutal. Do that to an adult and you could find yourself in jail for battery.

There is a line that you souldn't cross, but it works both ways. What that guy did, and what your cousins apparently got from their parents, was WAY over the line.

LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

all beating is abuse.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

MakeMeaSammitch

But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.

but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

You could easily instill both
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#54 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

MakeMeaSammitch

But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.

but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.
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#55 mccoyca112
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] No, we just know more about neurological and social development in youth. You shouldn't hit your kids for any reason in theory....In practice, I'm sure the temptation is harder to control.

chrisrooR

I'm talking in general, and that is indisputable. In theory, or practice, it's subjective. Only thing that isn't subjective is the landslide of support towards time-outs. I've had my share of whippings. I had it worse. My cousin got it even worse than I did. And we both deserved them. I don't say that because I think kids should get what I got. I say that because getting grounded, or getting "the talk" didn't stop me. Whippings did. Most times.

:roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

No, I wouldn't have a link to any studies on that. I wish I did however. I used that term as my own personal way of saying people today are pansies. What I can tell you is that through my years, I've heard how people in my family settled things on their own if need be. If thick skin didn't cut it, it got dealt with in other ways. Personally. I've had to do the same sometimes. Sometimes, it panned out; Sometimes, it didn't. But I did learn to stand up for myself, and my problems went away. Always.

& I say you should. Unlike.. others, I'm not saying it's my way or the high way. For me, it wasn't temporary, much less extremely so. Not having effect on me proves otherwise; again, in most situations ,unless you want to know all about my personal life, that's irrelevant. I'm thankful that I got what I got. It's kept me out of trouble.

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#56 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]That was brutal. Do that to an adult and you could find yourself in jail for battery.

There is a line that you souldn't cross, but it works both ways. What that guy did, and what your cousins apparently got from their parents, was WAY over the line.

MakeMeaSammitch

LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

all beating is abuse.

And people wonder why America is so p*ssified :roll:

Wait, upon reading your link .. of course that is f*cking child abuse.

But beating with a belt isn't going to cause black eyes and fractured bones. If that does happen, then that is clear cut abuse. The most you should get from beatings in reddish skin that will disappear in a few minutes.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Lol oh please. That was nothing. My siblings and cousins (not me, I was a good kid for the most part) got it much worse than that in their childhood, and now in their adulthood, they still maintain a great relationship with their parents. We just all know that there's a line that mustn't be crossed.Shottayouth13-

That was brutal. Do that to an adult and you could find yourself in jail for battery.

There is a line that you souldn't cross, but it works both ways. What that guy did, and what your cousins apparently got from their parents, was WAY over the line.

LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

Whipping people is brutal. Parents have a right to discipline their children, but that crossed into abuse.

While the government doesn't have the right to tell you how to raise your child, they are the ones who determine what constitutes abuse. And using a weapon on your child does.

And unnecessary screaming? Seriously? When people attack you like that, you're going to scream. It's a pretty natural reaction to most people...

But I reiterate what I said before. If he'd done that to an adult, he could be facing jail time for assult and battery. How then is it OK for himm to do that to a child?

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#58 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]That was brutal. Do that to an adult and you could find yourself in jail for battery.

There is a line that you souldn't cross, but it works both ways. What that guy did, and what your cousins apparently got from their parents, was WAY over the line.

BuryMe

LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

Whipping people is brutal. Parents have a right to discipline their children, but that crossed into abuse.

While the government doesn't have the right to tell you how to raise your child, they are the ones who determine what constitutes abuse. And using a weapon on your child does.

And unnecessary screaming? Seriously? When people attack you like that, you're going to scream. It's a pretty natural reaction to most people...

But I reiterate what I said before. If he'd done that to an adult, he could be facing jail time for assult and battery. How then is it OK for himm to do that to a child?

Weapon, attack? Wow. He didn't bring a random adult into the world and so is not responsible for them. However he did bring a child into the world and is responsible for that child. Look, I live in a country where physical disciplining of children is accepted and encouraged, and trust me, what those girls got is far from abuse. I'm sure they learnt their lesson.

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#59 theone86
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="mccoyca112"]

I'm talking in general, and that is indisputable. In theory, or practice, it's subjective. Only thing that isn't subjective is the landslide of support towards time-outs. I've had my share of whippings. I had it worse. My cousin got it even worse than I did. And we both deserved them. I don't say that because I think kids should get what I got. I say that because getting grounded, or getting "the talk" didn't stop me. Whippings did. Most times.

Shottayouth13-

:roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.

Physical punishment should never be about fear, that's a prime recipe for raising a f*cked-up kid.  It's supposed to be about developing an aversion to the behavior in question in the mind of the child being punished.  Fear breeds resentment, and if someone is beating their kids in order to be feared then those kids are definitely going to resent the parent.  They're far more likely to take aggression out on other people in harmful ways, and the punishment is only going to be effective until the kids find ways to get around it, i.e. not getting caught.  

Furthermore, when kids reach a certain age such discipline is no longer effective.  If you hit a teenager they're not as likely to respond positively to it because they're at a more advanced stage of cognitive development.  

Finally, even in ideal circumstances kids need to understand why they're being punished.  If you just start hitting a kid it seems arbitrary and really only serves to make them angry and resentful.  Furthermore, no one should EVER hit their kid when they're angry.  It never serves the purpose of suppressing a certain behavior and really only sends the message that it's okay to hit other people out of anger, in addition to f*cking the kid up in a variety of other ways.  Screaming profanities at your child while you're beating them senseless, like the guy in the video, is never going to accomplish anything positive.

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#60 mccoyca112
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.Shottayouth13-

but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.

Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. To reiterate, black eyes, and fractured bones mentioned above. I'd say they definitely count as abuse. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment(in the case of this video) can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a severe beating without reason.

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Nothing wrong with what he did,he's just beating the hoe out of them and knocking self respect into them
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

Shottayouth13-

Whipping people is brutal. Parents have a right to discipline their children, but that crossed into abuse.

While the government doesn't have the right to tell you how to raise your child, they are the ones who determine what constitutes abuse. And using a weapon on your child does.

And unnecessary screaming? Seriously? When people attack you like that, you're going to scream. It's a pretty natural reaction to most people...

But I reiterate what I said before. If he'd done that to an adult, he could be facing jail time for assult and battery. How then is it OK for himm to do that to a child?

Weapon, attack? Wow. He didn't bring a random adult into the world and so is not responsible for them. However he did bring a child into the world and is responsible for that child. Look, I live in a country where physical disciplining of children is accepted and encouraged, and trust me, what those girls got is far from abuse. I'm sure they learnt their lesson.

A whip is a weapon. Hitting some one with one is an attack.

The fact that he's responsible for his children is all the more reason that he shouldn't do that.

If what you see in your country is worse, that doesn't prevent this from being abuse. It just means kids are abused more severelywhere you live.

And kids can and no learn lessons without being beaten.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

mccoyca112

Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.

Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

Then I'm glad we have measures of what constitutes abuse other than your opinion.

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Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

mccoyca112

What you've said there pretty much opens the door for parents to do absolutely anything to their kids, so long as they feel they have a reason.

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#65 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.Shottayouth13-

but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.

anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :roll: How is that indisputable? You wouldn't happen to have any empirically reviewed studies to support that claim, would you?

You shouldn't hit your kids for ANY reason. It's only an extremely temporary solution, and you're teaching your children to fear you as a parent. Just because you were whipped as a child does not make it any more acceptable an action for parents to resort to. 

theone86

But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.

Physical punishment should never be about fear, that's a prime recipe for raising a f*cked-up kid.  It's supposed to be about developing an aversion to the behavior in question in the mind of the child being punished.  Fear breeds resentment, and if someone is beating their kids in order to be feared then those kids are definitely going to resent the parent.  They're far more likely to take aggression out on other people in harmful ways, and the punishment is only going to be effective until the kids find ways to get around it, i.e. not getting caught.  

Furthermore, when kids reach a certain age such discipline is no longer effective.  If you hit a teenager they're not as likely to respond positively to it because they're at a more advanced stage of cognitive development.  

Finally, even in ideal circumstances kids need to understand why they're being punished.  If you just start hitting a kid it seems arbitrary and really only serves to make them angry and resentful.  Furthermore, no one should EVER hit their kid when they're angry.  It never serves the purpose of suppressing a certain behavior and really only sends the message that it's okay to hit other people out of anger, in addition to f*cking the kid up in a variety of other ways.  Screaming profanities at your child while you're beating them senseless, like the guy in the video, is never going to accomplish anything positive.

Probably fear wasn't the right word but I did go on to say instilling into them the fact that they mustn't be crossed, and what you shouldn't do to cross them. I know that much. Physical discipline is most effective when a child is less than 12 years old. But I doubt giving those girls a stern talking to for twerking would have gotten the message across. I did mention this further on in one of my posts. Physical discipline is best when followed up with reasons as to why you got what you got, and why you shouldn't be doing what you did. I never once agreed with senseless beatings. As I said before (at least in my experience), whenever me or my siblings got a beating it usually warranted. We understood that much. I don't agree with screaming profanities either.
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[QUOTE="mccoyca112"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.theone86

Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

Then I'm glad we have measures of what constitutes abuse other than your opinion.

Then define abuse.
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#68 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] LOL, brutal how? Their unnecessary screaming just amplified everything. Parents have a right to discipline their children. As long as it doesn't cross abuse, then no government body has any right telling a parent how they should raise their child.

Shottayouth13-

all beating is abuse.

And people wonder why America is so p*ssified :roll:

Wait, upon reading your link .. of course that is f*cking child abuse.

But beating with a belt isn't going to cause black eyes and fractured bones. If that does happen, then that is clear cut abuse. The most you should get from beatings in reddish skin that will disappear in a few minutes.

Even spanking, which is the most simple and 'weakest' form of beating I can think of has been linked to problems, including suicide.

I wouldn't call it pus sification. People who are beaten as children or teenagers show higher levels of violence and aggression. One reason they tend to get lower paying jobs are are more likely to end up in prison.

It's not just severe beating. Any beating is bad.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]but then they just learn that they shouldn't do something because you will hurt them rather than learn that it's morally right/wrong.

MakeMeaSammitch

Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.

anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

You falsely assume that one child rearing method will work for all children. All children are not the same. In any event, show me these facts.
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Nothing wrong with what he did,he's just beating the hoe out of them and knocking self respect into themBucked20
and it becomes clear why bucked is the way he is.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="mccoyca112"]

Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

Shottayouth13-

Then I'm glad we have measures of what constitutes abuse other than your opinion.

Then define abuse.

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]all beating is abuse.

MakeMeaSammitch

And people wonder why America is so p*ssified :roll:

Wait, upon reading your link .. of course that is f*cking child abuse.

But beating with a belt isn't going to cause black eyes and fractured bones. If that does happen, then that is clear cut abuse. The most you should get from beatings in reddish skin that will disappear in a few minutes.

Even spanking, which is the most simple and 'weakest' form of beating I can think of has been linked to problems, including suicide.

I wouldn't call it pus sification. People who are beaten as children or teenagers show higher levels of violence and aggression. One reason they tend to get lower paying jobs are are more likely to end up in prison.

It's not just severe beating. Any beating is bad.

From the article: "The researchers noted the study found an association, and not a cause-effect link. In addition, the study was limited in that participants were asked to remember their childhood experiences, which may not be entirely accurate, although research suggests people can remember negative events in childhood well."

Sample size wasn't even stated. (It was actually, my bad).

I doubt I'll accept that as 'hard' science.

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Then I'm glad we have measures of what constitutes abuse other than your opinion.

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Then define abuse.

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Then define abuse.Shottayouth13-

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.

In what sense is a whip not a weapon?

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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Nothing wrong with what he did,he's just beating the hoe out of them and knocking self respect into themMakeMeaSammitch

and it becomes clear why bucked is the way he is.

I turned out great,you're letting some bs "scientific" study determine what you think about ass whoopings instead of real life.That means you're a weak minded brainwashed individual that can't form his own opinion.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"] Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.frannkzappa

anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

You falsely assume that one child rearing method will work for all children. All children are not the same. In any event, show me these facts.[/there are a million and one better ways of raising kids that don't involve beating, but it is easier just to hit your kids then be a parent. why exert mental effort to solve a problem when you can just shake it till it stops crying?

Lol you think beatings are the easy way out? And if you've been following what I've been saying, I did say that after they've been beaten that children should be reassured of their parent's love, and be given reasons as to why what they did was wrong. That is good and effective parenting.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

BuryMe

And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.

In what sense is a whip not a weapon?

Whips yes, belt no. And what kind of whip are you referring to here specifically? The ones they used to whip Jesus? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] But your children should fear you. Not fear in a "I'm going to die way", but rather in a respectful "I don't want to cross them way." It makes them know that there's a line that must never be crossed.Shottayouth13-

Physical punishment should never be about fear, that's a prime recipe for raising a f*cked-up kid.  It's supposed to be about developing an aversion to the behavior in question in the mind of the child being punished.  Fear breeds resentment, and if someone is beating their kids in order to be feared then those kids are definitely going to resent the parent.  They're far more likely to take aggression out on other people in harmful ways, and the punishment is only going to be effective until the kids find ways to get around it, i.e. not getting caught.  

Furthermore, when kids reach a certain age such discipline is no longer effective.  If you hit a teenager they're not as likely to respond positively to it because they're at a more advanced stage of cognitive development.  

Finally, even in ideal circumstances kids need to understand why they're being punished.  If you just start hitting a kid it seems arbitrary and really only serves to make them angry and resentful.  Furthermore, no one should EVER hit their kid when they're angry.  It never serves the purpose of suppressing a certain behavior and really only sends the message that it's okay to hit other people out of anger, in addition to f*cking the kid up in a variety of other ways.  Screaming profanities at your child while you're beating them senseless, like the guy in the video, is never going to accomplish anything positive.

Probably fear wasn't the right word but I did go on to say instilling into them the fact that they mustn't be crossed, and what you shouldn't do to cross them. I know that much. Physical discipline is most effective when a child is less than 12 years old. But I doubt giving those girls a stern talking to for twerking would have gotten the message across. I did mention this further on in one of my posts. Physical discipline is best when followed up with reasons as to why you got what you got, and why you shouldn't be doing what you did. I never once agreed with senseless beatings. As I said before (at least in my experience), whenever me or my siblings got a beating it usually warranted. We understood that much. I don't agree with screaming profanities either.

You don't need beating to establish that, all you need is for the parent to establish their authority.  No matter how you establish your authority, be it through beating or other methods of punishment, the child will get the message.  The problem is that beating carries additional problems that those other methods do not.

I doubt what the father did got the message across either.  They're not going to stop twerking just because he beat them, they're going to stop doing it when he's around, and they're going to have to deal with the psychological implications of a large man beating them with an extension cord while screaming profanities.  The fact is that if someone is beating their adolescent kids for a certain behavior then either they did a bad job of properly teaching their kids to avoid that behavior in the first place or it's something that just can't be controlled (like provacative dance moves).  Like it or not, when hormones start flowing  kids start trying to express their budding sexuality.  The best way to ensure nothing bad happens is to be able to have some level of a decent rapport with them, not to break out a weapon and start hitting them when you see them dancing a certain way.  

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[QUOTE="mccoyca112"]

Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

BuryMe

What you've said there pretty much opens the door for parents to do absolutely anything to their kids, so long as they feel they have a reason.

Don't be ridiculous. There are many parents who use corporal punishment who have a moral compass and know when to stop unlike what you are suggesting.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.Shottayouth13-

In what sense is a whip not a weapon?

Whips yes, belt no. And what kind of whip are you referring to here specifically? The ones they used to whip Jesus? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

Any whip. A belt also becomes a weapon when you use it to whip some one.

If you use it to attack some one, it's a weapon.

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]In what sense is a whip not a weapon?

BuryMe

Whips yes, belt no. And what kind of whip are you referring to here specifically? The ones they used to whip Jesus? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

Any whip. A belt also becomes a weapon when you use it to whip some one.

If you use it to attack some one, it's a weapon.

We're going to have to disagree here.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

Shottayouth13-

You falsely assume that one child rearing method will work for all children. All children are not the same. In any event, show me these facts.[/there are a million and one better ways of raising kids that don't involve beating, but it is easier just to hit your kids then be a parent. why exert mental effort to solve a problem when you can just shake it till it stops crying?

Lol you think beatings are the easy way out? And if you've been following what I've been saying, I did say that after they've been beaten that children should be reassured of their parent's love, and be given reasons as to why what they did was wrong. That is good and effective parenting.

if you can't solve a problem without hitting something that's your own idiocy.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Nooo .. we got the hint trust me. Listen, when we got a beating, we more than likely deserved it. That is, we did something really bad that actually warranted it. The beating drove home the fact that hey, I did something really really wrong. Now don't get me wrong, parents should of course follow up beatings by telling their child why they got beat, and why they should never do what they did again, and reassure their love for their child (OT seems to think this is mutually exclusive, it's really not). That, in my eyes, is effective parenting.Shottayouth13-

anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

You falsely assume that one child rearing method will work for all children. All children are not the same. In any event, show me these facts.

Boom

That's an iq/aggression study.

Not everybody is the same, but trends can be recognized, as can mistakes in discipline.

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]He didn't beat them that bad. I've seen worse and got worse.Nengo_Flow

finally some one that understands. I watch the vid like I was watching a funny cat vid. I wasnt horrified. I was just like "Heh, I remember when I got those beatings, ah..... good times" Cuz I actually laugh at my memories of my beat downs, I think its funny that i got beat like that.

I understand completely. I'm actually happy my parents spanked me when I was in the wrong. Don't worry about OT. Most of them are pansies who can't approach a girl. Much less take a little spanking.
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There is a difference between discipline and beating. My parents spanked me when I was a kid, and that was for discipline. What the father in that video is doing is beating, and it is awful.harashawn

This. Completely inappropriate. If you have to resort to it to punish your kids, you're not a good parent. 

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Then define abuse.Shottayouth13-

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.

As I said, it shouldn't cause significant pain.  Physical punishment is supposed to cause a quick, temporary pain that conditions the person in question to not repeating the behavior in question.  I'm demonizing belts because they cause an excessive amount of pain that also lingers for a while after the beating, not to mention the intimidation inherent in using a weapon to discipline a child.

Weapon: A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Physical punishment should never be about fear, that's a prime recipe for raising a f*cked-up kid.  It's supposed to be about developing an aversion to the behavior in question in the mind of the child being punished.  Fear breeds resentment, and if someone is beating their kids in order to be feared then those kids are definitely going to resent the parent.  They're far more likely to take aggression out on other people in harmful ways, and the punishment is only going to be effective until the kids find ways to get around it, i.e. not getting caught.  

Furthermore, when kids reach a certain age such discipline is no longer effective.  If you hit a teenager they're not as likely to respond positively to it because they're at a more advanced stage of cognitive development.  

Finally, even in ideal circumstances kids need to understand why they're being punished.  If you just start hitting a kid it seems arbitrary and really only serves to make them angry and resentful.  Furthermore, no one should EVER hit their kid when they're angry.  It never serves the purpose of suppressing a certain behavior and really only sends the message that it's okay to hit other people out of anger, in addition to f*cking the kid up in a variety of other ways.  Screaming profanities at your child while you're beating them senseless, like the guy in the video, is never going to accomplish anything positive.

theone86

Probably fear wasn't the right word but I did go on to say instilling into them the fact that they mustn't be crossed, and what you shouldn't do to cross them. I know that much. Physical discipline is most effective when a child is less than 12 years old. But I doubt giving those girls a stern talking to for twerking would have gotten the message across. I did mention this further on in one of my posts. Physical discipline is best when followed up with reasons as to why you got what you got, and why you shouldn't be doing what you did. I never once agreed with senseless beatings. As I said before (at least in my experience), whenever me or my siblings got a beating it usually warranted. We understood that much. I don't agree with screaming profanities either.

You don't need beating to establish that, all you need is for the parent to establish their authority.  No matter how you establish your authority, be it through beating or other methods of punishment, the child will get the message.  The problem is that beating carries additional problems that those other methods do not.

I doubt what the father did got the message across either.  They're not going to stop twerking just because he beat them, they're going to stop doing it when he's around, and they're going to have to deal with the psychological implications of a large man beating them with an extension cord while screaming profanities.  The fact is that if someone is beating their adolescent kids for a certain behavior then either they did a bad job of properly teaching their kids to avoid that behavior in the first place or it's something that just can't be controlled (like provacative dance moves).  Like it or not, when hormones start flowing  kids start trying to express their budding sexuality.  The best way to ensure nothing bad happens is to be able to have some level of a decent rapport with them, not to break out a weapon and start hitting them when you see them dancing a certain way.  

The effectiveness of establishing your authority depends on the child. As I've stated before, all children are different, and what might work for one, probably won't work for the other. But no, people of OT just seem to think that parents just beat their children because f*ck it, they can't be bothered. And they may stop twerking, depending on what he did/said to them afterward when he cooled down. But in any event, I've already stated and agreed with you that beatings aren't as effective on teenagers, so they might be a lost cause in that regard. But did he have the right to do it? Definitely.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Whips yes, belt no. And what kind of whip are you referring to here specifically? The ones they used to whip Jesus? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.Shottayouth13-

Any whip. A belt also becomes a weapon when you use it to whip some one.

If you use it to attack some one, it's a weapon.

We're going to have to disagree here.

The definition agrees with me...

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Hitting a child out of anger and/or with the intent to cause significant physical pain.  Physical discipline shouldn't be harmful, it's supposed to cause discomfort and nothing more.  Using weapons definitely crosses a line into abuse, though that line can still be crossed without them.

frannkzappa

And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.

As I said, it shouldn't cause significant pain.  Physical punishment is supposed to cause a quick, temporary pain that conditions the person in question to not repeating the behavior in question.  I'm demonizing belts because they cause an excessive amount of pain that also lingers for a while after the beating, not to mention the intimidation inherent in using a weapon to discipline a child.

Weapon: A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage

The pain inflicted from a belt doesn't linger for long (speaking from experience). You do get over it.
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Yeah, I speak from the experience of my father. I have nothing but kind words when I speak of him. He didn't do it recklessly. What I see as actual abuse is a parent getting a little drunk one night, and a child has the unfortunate luck of being around the house at the time being; Anything remotely close to having no justifiable reason in the parents eyes other than disdain, etc. The extent of acceptable psychical punishment can be stretched or shrunk to one's eyes, but I see abuse as a beating without reason.

BuryMe

What you've said there pretty much opens the door for parents to do absolutely anything to their kids, so long as they feel they have a reason.

I certainly wont deny that. Fact remains, that's a belting. We don't even know the underlying context of that video. Was the kid talking back after her "twerk"? Giving attitude like she's the queen bee? Whelp, who knows. I digress. A belt is nothing. Ever been whipped by a sturdy thin tree branch? Trust me, you don't want it. I loved my gram to death, but damn she knew how to use it if we were out of line. As my previous posts have stated, I've seen worse, and that kid is doing better in life than I am.(for reasons unrelated to "abuse") I also cant side against it since it didn't mess me psychologically. & How could I? That'd be like giving up video games because "studies" proved gaming caused it. Self restraint plays both sides of that. The bad can outweigh the good perhaps, but only if the parent/guardian allows it. I see it as a slightly hefty whipping made extreme with extreme screaming Others, quite the opposite.

 

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] And people wonder why America is so p*ssified :roll:

Wait, upon reading your link .. of course that is f*cking child abuse.

But beating with a belt isn't going to cause black eyes and fractured bones. If that does happen, then that is clear cut abuse. The most you should get from beatings in reddish skin that will disappear in a few minutes.

Shottayouth13-

Even spanking, which is the most simple and 'weakest' form of beating I can think of has been linked to problems, including suicide.

I wouldn't call it pus sification. People who are beaten as children or teenagers show higher levels of violence and aggression. One reason they tend to get lower paying jobs are are more likely to end up in prison.

It's not just severe beating. Any beating is bad.

From the article: "The researchers noted the study found an association, and not a cause-effect link. In addition, the study was limited in that participants were asked to remember their childhood experiences, which may not be entirely accurate, although research suggests people can remember negative events in childhood well."

Sample size wasn't even stated. (It was actually, my bad).

I doubt I'll accept that as 'hard' science.

with the association what they are saying is that not every child that is beaten will have those problems, just like not every child that is not beaten is not guaranteed to not have those problems.

Spanking merely increases the chances of these problems occuring.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Probably fear wasn't the right word but I did go on to say instilling into them the fact that they mustn't be crossed, and what you shouldn't do to cross them. I know that much. Physical discipline is most effective when a child is less than 12 years old. But I doubt giving those girls a stern talking to for twerking would have gotten the message across. I did mention this further on in one of my posts. Physical discipline is best when followed up with reasons as to why you got what you got, and why you shouldn't be doing what you did. I never once agreed with senseless beatings. As I said before (at least in my experience), whenever me or my siblings got a beating it usually warranted. We understood that much. I don't agree with screaming profanities either.Shottayouth13-

You don't need beating to establish that, all you need is for the parent to establish their authority.  No matter how you establish your authority, be it through beating or other methods of punishment, the child will get the message.  The problem is that beating carries additional problems that those other methods do not.

I doubt what the father did got the message across either.  They're not going to stop twerking just because he beat them, they're going to stop doing it when he's around, and they're going to have to deal with the psychological implications of a large man beating them with an extension cord while screaming profanities.  The fact is that if someone is beating their adolescent kids for a certain behavior then either they did a bad job of properly teaching their kids to avoid that behavior in the first place or it's something that just can't be controlled (like provacative dance moves).  Like it or not, when hormones start flowing  kids start trying to express their budding sexuality.  The best way to ensure nothing bad happens is to be able to have some level of a decent rapport with them, not to break out a weapon and start hitting them when you see them dancing a certain way.  

The effectiveness of establishing your authority depends on the child. As I've stated before, all children are different, and what might work for one, probably won't work for the other. But no, people of OT just seem to think that parents just beat their children because f*ck it, they can't be bothered. And they may stop twerking, depending on what he did/said to them afterward when he cooled down. But in any event, I've already stated and agreed with you that beatings aren't as effective on teenagers, so they might be a lost cause in that regard. But did he have the right to do it? Definitely.

He has about as much right to do it as I have to beat the piss out of someone who stole my wallet instead of turning him into the authorities.  Being a parent does not give one carte blanche to do whatever they feel is necessary, there are lines that parents aren't supposed to cross.

Most parents do beat their kids because f*ck it they can't be bothered, or because they don't know how to effectively parent and use it when they get frustrated.

A human is a human.  Kids will respond to parents establishing authority through non-violent means.  What varies are the influences that affect the child as they begin to grow older and the techniques used by the parents after authority is established.

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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]He didn't beat them that bad. I've seen worse and got worse.MgamerBD

finally some one that understands. I watch the vid like I was watching a funny cat vid. I wasnt horrified. I was just like "Heh, I remember when I got those beatings, ah..... good times" Cuz I actually laugh at my memories of my beat downs, I think its funny that i got beat like that.

I understand completely. I'm actually happy my parents spanked me when I was in the wrong. Don't worry about OT. Most of them are pansies who can't approach a girl. Much less take a little spanking.

It's really dissapointing that all these studies exist yet people ignore them.

If anything suicide is one of the most pansy thing somebody can do, and people who are beaten do it more often...

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]anecdotal evidence is not the same as hard science, and in this case, I reiterate, studies have consistently shown that beating causes mental deficiencies, even in IQ.

MakeMeaSammitch

You falsely assume that one child rearing method will work for all children. All children are not the same. In any event, show me these facts.

Boom

That's an iq/aggression study.

Not everybody is the same, but trends can be recognized, as can mistakes in discipline.

You do realize that they're more variables than right? The effectiveness of the parent is a HUGE factor that must be taken into account as well as a host of other things like socioeconomic conditions while growing up. That study didn't mention any of that. I'm still not seeing a cause and effect.
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#96 theone86
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] And if it isn't out of anger? Parents can inflict physical discipline without being angry. And why are you demonizing belts by calling it a weapon? It's just an effective disciplinary tool.Shottayouth13-

As I said, it shouldn't cause significant pain.  Physical punishment is supposed to cause a quick, temporary pain that conditions the person in question to not repeating the behavior in question.  I'm demonizing belts because they cause an excessive amount of pain that also lingers for a while after the beating, not to mention the intimidation inherent in using a weapon to discipline a child.

Weapon: A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage

The pain inflicted from a belt doesn't linger for long (speaking from experience). You do get over it.

It lingers long enough, and it hurts like hell.  Physical punishment isn't supposed to hurt like that, it's supposed to be discomforting.  It should be aversive, not painful.

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#97 LazySloth718
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I think most kids need a good beating to grow up right.

Hell I think the major problem with most adults is they never got a proper asskicking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#98 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="theone86"]

You don't need beating to establish that, all you need is for the parent to establish their authority.  No matter how you establish your authority, be it through beating or other methods of punishment, the child will get the message.  The problem is that beating carries additional problems that those other methods do not.

I doubt what the father did got the message across either.  They're not going to stop twerking just because he beat them, they're going to stop doing it when he's around, and they're going to have to deal with the psychological implications of a large man beating them with an extension cord while screaming profanities.  The fact is that if someone is beating their adolescent kids for a certain behavior then either they did a bad job of properly teaching their kids to avoid that behavior in the first place or it's something that just can't be controlled (like provacative dance moves).  Like it or not, when hormones start flowing  kids start trying to express their budding sexuality.  The best way to ensure nothing bad happens is to be able to have some level of a decent rapport with them, not to break out a weapon and start hitting them when you see them dancing a certain way.  

theone86

The effectiveness of establishing your authority depends on the child. As I've stated before, all children are different, and what might work for one, probably won't work for the other. But no, people of OT just seem to think that parents just beat their children because f*ck it, they can't be bothered. And they may stop twerking, depending on what he did/said to them afterward when he cooled down. But in any event, I've already stated and agreed with you that beatings aren't as effective on teenagers, so they might be a lost cause in that regard. But did he have the right to do it? Definitely.

He has about as much right to do it as I have to beat the piss out of someone who stole my wallet instead of turning him into the authorities.  Being a parent does not give one carte blanche to do whatever they feel is necessary, there are lines that parents aren't supposed to cross.

Most parents do beat their kids because f*ck it they can't be bothered, or because they don't know how to effectively parent and use it when they get frustrated.

A human is a human.  Kids will respond to parents establishing authority through non-violent means.  What varies are the influences that affect the child as they begin to grow older and the techniques used by the parents after authority is established.

He brought them into the world and is still responsible for their well being and instilling of values into them. The parents that do that are the bad parents. Don't group all parents that beat their children into one big bunch and call it a day.
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#99 Shottayouth13-
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

As I said, it shouldn't cause significant pain.  Physical punishment is supposed to cause a quick, temporary pain that conditions the person in question to not repeating the behavior in question.  I'm demonizing belts because they cause an excessive amount of pain that also lingers for a while after the beating, not to mention the intimidation inherent in using a weapon to discipline a child.

Weapon: A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage

theone86

The pain inflicted from a belt doesn't linger for long (speaking from experience). You do get over it.

It lingers long enough, and it hurts like hell.  Physical punishment isn't supposed to hurt like that, it's supposed to be discomforting.  It should be aversive, not painful.

Not really. And pain does cause discomfort, no?

 

Yo, I'm going to watch Walking Dead. I'll reply later.

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#100 MgamerBD
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"] finally some one that understands. I watch the vid like I was watching a funny cat vid. I wasnt horrified. I was just like "Heh, I remember when I got those beatings, ah..... good times" Cuz I actually laugh at my memories of my beat downs, I think its funny that i got beat like that.

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I understand completely. I'm actually happy my parents spanked me when I was in the wrong. Don't worry about OT. Most of them are pansies who can't approach a girl. Much less take a little spanking.

It's really dissapointing that all these studies exist yet people ignore them.

If anything suicide is one of the most pansy thing somebody can do, and people who are beaten do it more often...

Wasn't beaten I was spanked. Taught me discipline, how to respect my parents. The thing is you have to treat is as a last resort. I will never understand how people believe they can talk to most kids like they are adults. Sh*t most adults don't even listen.