The minds and lives of people seeking to exterminate it. They've been sent on a wild goose chase and now their brains and their happiness has been ruined because they look at everything through that lens.
My day sometimes, when I'd rather just stay in bed.
Ever since Hardwenzen failed to show me his "invisible pink unicorn," though, I've been going to this gaming subreddit that constantly makes fun of these Internet culture warriors a lot more. I find them funny.
This is where someone with a different view of things inserts their opinion and get jumped on for being wrong. Correct? I'm just trying to internet.
Either way, I feel like being woke is something people have to go out of their way to make a point of and then act offended when others disagree while others jump to their aid for being brave and independent even though they don't actually agree but want internet kudos.
I don't think woke has really ruined anything, it's just corporations that have taken the concept and turned it into a checklist for them to check off as they make their products. And, frankly, both sides of the argument should be pissed about that.
Diversity is good, equality is good, these are all things the world should get behind. "Woke" isn't inherently bad; until a few years ago when the far-right co-opted the term, woke was a compliment. Like you'd say something smart and your friend would say "Damn, homie, that's really insightful. You're woke as hell".
What we shouldn't get behind is the writing of blank checks by corporations to untalented folks that just want to make something that will get them cred within a certain community.
TL;DR: woke is fine. Woke + Capitalism is not fine.
@sancho_panzer said:
Romance.
Call me crazy but I feel like 'sex pest' has developed such negative connotations these days.
Is that woke, I don't know?
Sex pest is being used wrong if people are using it to describe someone who just likes to have sex.
Sex pest is like a statutory rapist, someone that roofies someone, etc...basically synonymous with sleazebag.
If someone is referring to you as a sex pest and you're not doing anything wrong other than maybe being sexually liberated (which is NOT wrong), you should probably correct them on it.
It's also sexist as it is targeted at males. Plenty of female teachers in the news that are sex pests to their underage students but no one calls them sex pests...
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I feel like being woke is something people have to go out of their way to make a point of and then act offended when others disagree while others jump to their aid for being brave and independent even though they don't actually agree but want internet kudos.
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I don't believe being woke necessarily means being easily triggered. I've had plenty of conversations with trans coworkers and friends that have been very frank (me telling them I don't understand it, them explaining it to me patiently, etc).
There is an "activist" angle that a lot of people have and I think that can get associated with being woke, and that can be alienating at times. But that's nothing new; we've had people that get triggered by a lot of things since the dawn of time. I can't talk about preferring cats over dogs without someone calling me a dog-hater (I Love dogs by the way, I just like cats more), for example 😋
The irony here is that the anti-woke people, in complaining about woke folks, make themselves as sensitive and as easily triggered as the people they're accusing of being sensitive and easily triggered. This is why a policy of "I Don't get it and that's OK, they're not hurting anyone" is best.
I mean, whats the worst thing you can say about the stereotypical woke community? Disney ruined stuff? They've maybe made some games shitty?
Woke being used the way society and OP does is the problem. Woke is old term that merely meant an individual that is aware of discrimination. More like a non bigot. Now it's used as a term to make bigots turn their hatred against people who see injustice and want to correct that. Which is a positive outcome. Woke should not be used as a negative.
@mrbojangles25: It saddens me a bit that people have reacted to increased diversity in media by discounting works that feature characters that aren't like them. The ability to put yourself in the shoes of another via stories is one of the most useful and important features of culture.
Now we have grown men who publicly refuse to play games with a woman as a protagonist, and I have to assume these people also miss out on The Color Purple and The Scarlet Letter for similar reasons. It's a detriment, but the loss is there's. They live in a small, stunted world.
@mrbojangles25: Not sure I agree with the definition there, Mr. BJ, that it's a term reserved for rapists and paedophiles - I believe most people stick with the traditional names for those behaviours. I like to think posters here have a sense for the ironic, though, and stop to think about what they're reading.
Joking aside, I do think there's the meaningful definition and then there's the psychological takeaway from misapplication. Bosses using their position to pressure employees into submission is messed up for sure... but, moving away from the specific phrase to the general theme, there's also the flip side of unnatural hyper-caution:
Sad fact is there are a lot of timid guys afraid even to flirt for fear of being labelled as predatory. It's a judgement call, really, and not everyone's capable of picking up on cues too well. When terms get abused online, there's always a negative fallout to good intentions, and that can affect both sexes. Swings and roundabouts.
@mrbojangles25: It saddens me a bit that people have reacted to increased diversity in media by discounting works that feature characters that aren't like them. The ability to put yourself in the shoes of another via stories is one of the most useful and important features of culture.
Now we have grown men who publicly refuse to play games with a woman as a protagonist, and I have to assume these people also miss out on The Color Purple and The Scarlet Letter for similar reasons. It's a detriment, but the loss is there's. They live in a small, stunted world.
It's why I enjoyed Miss Marvel so much; it wasn't preachy, and it taught me about a history I never knew about.
Yet all people could talk about was how "woke" it was, blah blah blah and I don't think they even watched the show. They just saw a.) female + b.) non-white + c.) Disney and concluded it was more woke bullshit.
Granted, if any company would take advantage of that agenda, it would be Disney...but this show was not that. It was just entertaining and educational, which are the two things I really like in my entertainment. It felt like classic MCU stuff from early on; whimsical and fun.
It is a loss, I pity them. Or I would if they weren't such jerks lol.
I use think turning Buu into a black guy was woke, but then realized Akira Toriyama made him poor, malnourished from a backsword village and therefor was actually quite offensive.
Mr PoPo is alien so it doesn't count imo, although I do consider Piccolo a black guy.
I use think turning Buu into a black guy was woke, but then realized Akira Toriyama made him poor, malnourished from a backsword village and therefor was actually quite offensive.
Mr PoPo is alien so it doesn't count imo, although I do consider Piccolo a black guy.
Uub, Piccolo and Popo are all ethnically ambiguous. They could be interpreted as either black, Indian, Arabic, or just plain ol' aliens. Only Toriyama could confirm, but he's no longer with us (RIP).
Edit: corporation like Disney and Amazon buying out these IPs plays a major part in pushing a virtue signaling political message that lacks any interesting creative story telling
The problem with the whole premise is that as long as there exist things that weren't ruined and are "woke," then that inherently means that "woke" does not ruin things.
For example, BG3 is a beloved game and pretty much universally the GOTY, and yet it's gay as hell. It can stand as an icon for being progressive while still being an appealing and quality product.
Simply put, "woke" doesn't ruin anything, bad production does.
Edit: corporation like Disney and Amazon buying out these IPs plays a major part in pushing a virtue signaling political message that lacks any interesting creative story telling
My view is that media that traditionally had a mostly male fan base, like science fiction and fantasy, is being made (or remade) with a women empowerment perspective.
Before, there were also plenty of female characters in these kinds of movies, but they were made to be likable to males (basically attractive to straight men, like Leeloo from The Fifth Element or Ripley from Alien). Now, what you have are women who are meant to supersede rather than complement the male characters and to be role models for strong women rather than be attractive to men. For example, characters like Rey from Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Captain Marvel from marvel.
However, this type of media is still mostly watched by straight men.
So, from my point of view as a straight man, I don’t often complain about “woke” content online, but I have lost interest in many of those franchises since I don’t think they are made for me.
Regarding the inclusion of Black characters, I have no problems with that. I tend to mostly just dislike feminist narratives and characters
@horgen: TNG, DS9, and Voy were not trying to buck a lot of trends. They Kept the norms and just slightly wove in their ideals into the stories. New trek tried to buck what makes a show good, and it got slapped down for it.
@horgen: TNG, DS9, and Voy were not trying to buck a lot of trends. They Kept the norms and just slightly wove in their ideals into the stories. New trek tried to buck what makes a show good, and it got slapped down for it.
@uninspiredcup: They didn't go out of their way to say what messages they were getting across. They put it in character stories about other things, unlike new trek. Sometimes they had episodes that were more on the nose and basically yelled it out.
I don't think "woke" whathaveyous really ruin anything, but there is a lot of badly written stuff out there these days, and some of it is woke.
One of the major points of contention in the recent writers strike, was the fact shows were giving smaller teams of writers less time to write scripts nowadays than they had in the past. You want a root cause of bad writing, look no further.
As someone who grew up reading Michael Crichton books, stories can be good even when the author has an axe to grind. And even if I don't always agree with their point of view.
@uninspiredcup: They didn't go out of their way to say what messages they were getting across. They put it in character stories about other things, unlike new trek. Sometimes they had episodes that were more on the nose and basically yelled it out.
i.e. execution
This is a bottle episode, about a war criminal. Takes place entirely in a room. Held up by the writing and acting. About thirty years old at this point, the plotline more relevant at this moment than when it originally aired.
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This is garbage, by idiots, that looks and feels like a nightmare trying to be action movie.
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That's not to say Star Trek can't have action, DS9 and Voyager have it in spades. The difference is, DS9 was well written with setup and long term payoff and not, legit boring action where things are just happening and you feel nothing.
Ignoring all this stuff for abit, it's amazing to me how ugly this show is. Be it the sets, the lighting or the CGI effects, battles etc.. etc.. etc.. Even the fucking viewer screen is horrible looking lol
@uninspiredcup: Exactly, one thing that bothered me was. One thing that also bugged me about was they had claimed they had representation with the gay doctor and engineer, but thats all they ever were for 5 seasons. It really meant nothing because they did nothing.
Evangelistic efforts. They think that if they get offended by something, it must be false. They will call us homophobes and bigots all day long, but the moment they get offended by something, even if it's not inherently offensive, they will harden their hearts. It seems that some of the woke folks are perpetually offended by something or other. It seems that they are more than happy to call us names, but the moment I call something they love to be sinful, somehow that is hate-mongering.
But you see, just because something makes you offended, that doesn't mean it's wise to disregard it. If a doctor does a prostate exam on you and he tells you that you have cancer, is he being hateful or bigoted? surely not. Moreover, if he lied about this diagnosis, he could have been kicked out of his own practice.
But you see, just because something makes you offended, that doesn't mean it's wise to disregard it. If a doctor does a prostate exam on you and he tells you that you have cancer, is he being hateful or bigoted? surely not. Moreover, if he lied about this diagnosis, he could have been kicked out of his own practice.
Holding an opinion is valid. Forcing that opinion onto everyone through law is tyranny.
All these people you claim offend you pretty much just want people like you to stop forcing your morals onto them, because they don't share them. Just because people are allowed to openly be different doesn't mean you have to agree that it's right, but you damn well should agree that they have a right to do it.
@br0kenrabbit: I do respect people's right to reject the Gospel. By no means do I beat people over the head with Hell threats. There are some christians who do that, but I've always been against that method.
@br0kenrabbit: I do respect people's right to reject the Gospel. By no means do I beat people over the head with Hell threats. There are some christians who do that, but I've always been against that method.
Glad to hear it. I'm an atheist in the Bible Belt. Christians can get pretty aggressive and vulgar down here.
@br0kenrabbit: I do respect people's right to reject the Gospel. By no means do I beat people over the head with Hell threats. There are some christians who do that, but I've always been against that method.
Glad to hear it. I'm an atheist in the Bible Belt. Christians can get pretty aggressive and vulgar down here.
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