What's a great form of Martial Art to learn?

Whats a good reliable martial art to defend or fight with? I wanna learn one...

Suggestions?

Whats a good reliable martial art to defend or fight with? I wanna learn one...

Suggestions?

Gammet25

The art of the .45, its is very quick and easy to learn, and most people will see your knowledge of it and flee without a fight

Sambo is great for one on one. Krav Magra (spelling?) is good for multiple attackers.

Sambo is great for one on one. Krav Magra (spelling?) is good for multiple attackers.

michael176585

Brazilian jiu jitsu. It has really gotten popular due to the popularity increase of MMA, so there are a lot of places that do it.

But you should definitely find one that suits your interest (ground fighting, traditional, weapons, etc).

El choco libre und ze zanmato palm.

Brazilian jiu jitsu. It has really gotten popular due to the popularity increase of MMA, so there are a lot of places that do it.

But you should definitely find one that suits your interest (ground fighting, traditional, weapons, etc).

IrishPunk

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]

Brazilian jiu jitsu. It has really gotten popular due to the popularity increase of MMA, so there are a lot of places that do it.

But you should definitely find one that suits your interest (ground fighting, traditional, weapons, etc).

DEVILinIRON

Difficult to apply in a real fight at times though. Sort of hard to armbar one dude while his two buddies are trying to kick your head off.

BJJ is probably one of the, if not the best art for one on one fighting. Unfortunately, real fights often aren't one on one.

That said, guillotine chokes a really, really good in most any situation.

You have a better chance of defending yourself properly if you learn Mixed Martial Arts. I say go with a mixture of

Karate, Wrestling, and Brazilian Jujitsu. You'd be a bad mother****** if you're able to master all of those and put

them into practice when needed.

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"][QUOTE="IrishPunk"]

Brazilian jiu jitsu. It has really gotten popular due to the popularity increase of MMA, so there are a lot of places that do it.

But you should definitely find one that suits your interest (ground fighting, traditional, weapons, etc).

Paladin_King

Difficult to apply in a real fight at times though. Sort of hard to armbar one dude while his two buddies are trying to kick your head off.

BJJ is probably one of the, if not the best art for one on one fighting. Unfortunately, real fights often aren't one on one.

That said, guillotine chokes a really, really good in most any situation.

Any martial art that focuses on cutting or stabbing the **** out of people. Or any martial art that utilizes shooting people with guns.

Because realistically speaking, as far as self-defense goes, the most that one usually has to do is to simply pull out a knife or a gun. You don't even have to know how to use it, simply showing it is enough to get most people to back off.

Second to that is simple diplomacy. I guarantee that talking your way out of **** is usually a far better alternative than trying to fight your way out of ****. And on those rare occasions when you DO have to fight your way out of a situation, then you're probably better off just pulling out a gun and shooting the dude who's trying to **** you up.

Now, if it's just for hobby or health or that kind of thing, I'm not talking about that. Martial arts teach discipline, focus, and practice. Things which can be applied to anything.

But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.

And for the majority of people, they don't even need guns or Kung-Fu. Diplomacy is ALL they need.

Any martial art that focuses on cutting or stabbing the **** out of people. Or any martial art that utilizes shooting people with guns.

Because realistically speaking, as far as self-defense goes, the most that one usually has to do is to simply pull out a knife or a gun. You don't even have to know how to use it, simply showing it is enough to get most people to back off.

Second to that is simple diplomacy. I guarantee that talking your way out of **** is usually a far better alternative than trying to fight your way out of ****. And on those rare occasions when you DO have to fight your way out of a situation, then you're probably better off just pulling out a gun and shooting the dude who's trying to **** you up.

Now, if it's just for hobby or health or that kind of thing, I'm not talking about that. Martial arts teach discipline, focus, and practice. Things which can be applied to anything.

But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.

And for the majority of people, they don't even need guns or Kung-Fu. Diplomacy is ALL they need.

MrGeezer

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Whats a good reliable martial art to defend or fight with? I wanna learn one...

Suggestions?

SamusFreak

The art of the .45, its is very quick and easy to learn, and most people will see your knowledge of it and flee without a fight

I see your .45 and raise you the martial art of ka chuck, 12Gauge variant.8)

But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.BiancaDK

Yep. When you're at the bar and someone starts a fight with you, pulling out a gun or a knife is not the way to go.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.IrishPunk

Yep. When you're at the bar and someone starts a fight with you, pulling out a gun or a knife is not the way to go.

It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.IrishPunk

Yep. When you're at the bar and someone starts a fight with you, pulling out a gun or a knife is not the way to go.

It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.StripTheSoul

[QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.BiancaDK

Depends on what the circumstances are. This holds true for any fight that isn't regulated...DEVILinIRON

Actually, depending on the circumstances, even using a martial art isn't legal. DEVILinIRON

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]Depends on what the circumstances are. This holds true for any fight that isn't regulated...BiancaDK

[QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.BiancaDK

***** will be stepping off when I'm throwing mah piece around like a mad ******.

Straight ballin' yo.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.DEVILinIRON

If someone meets you with force, you must only use just enough force to protect yourself. If you pull our a gun or a knife in a bar fight, and it ends up getting used, the judge you meet in court is not going to show much compassion.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.BiancaDK

*Shrugs*

I've never been in a fight yet, because **** that ****.

I've been in many situations in which people tried to start fights with me, and I've never been in a fight. And I've hung out with some pretty nasty people.

Of course I'm not saying that martial arts is NEVER of value. It's just that...most people simply use it to win fights that they could have otherwise completely avoided. I haven't gone 30 years without ever being in a fight because I cant kick peoples' asses in a fight. I've gone 30 years without ever being in a fight solely because most people usually CAN talk their way out of this ****.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.StripTheSoul

***** will be stepping off when I'm throwing mah piece around like a mad ******.

Straight ballin' yo.

[QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Two things; 1: Pulling a knife or a gun on another person is not legal. 2: What if it doesen't sit his punk ass down? Gonna' stab him? Shoot him? Or quell the situation with a quick armlock, handing him over to the bouncers.BiancaDK

***** will be stepping off when I'm throwing mah piece around like a mad ******.

Straight ballin' yo.

It was a cheap buy actually, think it was used in an unsolved murder case :/

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]Actually, depending on the circumstances, even using a martial art isn't legal. BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]But when we're talking about self-defense, conventional martial arts are worthless. A gun beats any black belt, and the diplomat is smart enough to usually talk his way out of fighting in the first place.MrGeezer

*Shrugs*

I've never been in a fight yet, because **** that ****.

I've been in many situations in which people tried to start fights with me, and I've never been in a fight. And I've hung out with some pretty nasty people.

Of course I'm not saying that martial arts is NEVER of value. It's just that...most people simply use it to win fights that they could have otherwise completely avoided. I haven't gone 30 years without ever being in a fight because I cant kick peoples' asses in a fight. I've gone 30 years without ever being in a fight solely because most people usually CAN talk their way out of this ****.

Shaolin kung fu. Its good for your health and is a form of meditation, good for both the body and the soul

the only martial art that can beat a knife, gun, or 2-3 people at the same time is krav maga. jason bourne uses it, and on youtube theres good videos on it, the instructor teaches you how to grab a gun pointed at your face, redirect it, punch the guy in the face, break his finger in the trigger, pull the gun away, and use the nike defense (run away). search "expert village krav maga" they posted like 10 of those videos and theyre actually goodserver

Which shouldn't even be possible, if the person with the gun has any ****ing idea how to use a gun. It's a gun because it's for medium-long range combat. Yoiu're not SUPPOSED to be using a gun against opponents who are close enough to you to grab your gun. For someone to ever even be in that situation implies that they have a gun while completely failing to understand the basic concept of guns.

And in most cases when someone DOES pull a gun on you at such close range, it's often because they really ARE ignorant and untrained idiots who only want your wallet. In which case, it's usually better to just give them your ****ing wallet. I don't care how well-trained you are, fighting is more likely to get you shot. And that's stupid, when you can just call you credit card companies and report your **** stolen.

I'm not saying that such skills are NEVER useful, but it has to be so ****ing rare that it's not even worth thinking about.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]Actually, depending on the circumstances, even using a martial art isn't legal. DEVILinIRON

[QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.BiancaDK

Fistfights and chokeholds and kicks are also not legal.

And if you punch a person and he/she dies as a result (which DOES happen), it's still potentially murder. Just as if you'd stabbed them or shot them.

That's one of the reasons why you AVOID fights. You only fight when you NEED to. If you DON'T need to, then fighting with your hands can land you in prison for murder just as if you'd fought with a gun.

Even highly trained martial artists are better off avoiding fights, because they don't know what weapons the opponent is carrying. Even the legendary and unbeatable Japanese Warrior Musashi turned down fights. Because...**** that.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]It will hopefully sit his punk ass down though.MrGeezer

Fistfights and chokeholds and kicks are also not legal.

And if you punch a person and he/she dies as a result (which DOES happen), it's still potentially murder. Just as if you'd stabbed them or shot them.

That's one of the reasons why you AVOID fights. You only fight when you NEED to. If you DON'T need to, then fighting with your hands can land you in prison for murder just as if you'd fought with a gun.

Even highly trained martial artists are better off avoiding fights, because they don't know what weapons the opponent is carrying. Even the legendary and unbeatable Japanese Warrior Musashi turned down fights. Because...**** that.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Two things; 1: Pulling a knife or a gun on another person is not legal. 2: What if it doesen't sit his punk ass down? Gonna' stab him? Shoot him? Or quell the situation with a quick armlock, handing him over to the bouncers.BiancaDK

Fistfights and chokeholds and kicks are also not legal.

And if you punch a person and he/she dies as a result (which DOES happen), it's still potentially murder. Just as if you'd stabbed them or shot them.

That's one of the reasons why you AVOID fights. You only fight when you NEED to. If you DON'T need to, then fighting with your hands can land you in prison for murder just as if you'd fought with a gun.

Even highly trained martial artists are better off avoiding fights, because they don't know what weapons the opponent is carrying. Even the legendary and unbeatable Japanese Warrior Musashi turned down fights. Because...**** that.

Nah.

I see your objection to my initial statement that "martial arts are pointless". I didn't mean to state that hand-to-hand combat NEVER has a place.

I only meant to say that using martial arts to kick peoples' asses is just as illegal as using knives or guns to kick peoples' asses. So everything else aside, LEGALITY says that one should not resort to ANY violence unless it's absolutely necessary.

And yes, you do what you have to do. If you're in a situation that requires the use of fists/knives/guns, then law be damned. You do what you must. But you're doing something ILLEGAL which could potentially get you a significant amount of time in prison. In the VAST majority of cases, diplomacy is preferrable. Because in most cases, most people can talk their way out of these situations without violence occurring. And in the minority of situations in which illegal and deadly martial arts ARE required, guns and knives are often and effective substitute. This doesn't apply with EVERY situation, sure. But in MOST situations, simply pulling out a knife or a gun is more effective than displaying your fighting stance. Most people with weapons don't want to get into a fight with someone who already has a knife/gun drawn. Even if they're martial arts experts, most people back away from that ****. Whereas, displaying your fighting stance is far less likely to get anyone to back down.

But yeah, I guess we agree. I'll admit that it was unfair for me to make the initial statement that martial arts are useless. That was wrong, ad I'll admit it. Far more accurate would have been for me to say that martial arts are useless in most situations, and specifically when we're talking about martial arts as self-defense.

But I certainly have a lot of respect for martial arts. It helps people to build character, balls, and discipline. And that's useful, even if you never get into a fight. Because you can apply those sorts of lessons to almost ANYTHING.

I see the suggestion of MMA a bit. I've never been to an MMA class but if they just teach you to fight without the self control and respect aspects of martial arts, then it's just a misuse of those skills. It's just wrong

shotokan, then you can be like ryu and ken from SF

I think the best thing to learn is a Jeremiah Johnson-style kick to the chest. Seriously, you don't want to **** with someone who just kicked you in the chest.

my favorite is Kung foo monkey

Dim Mak

Sho Shu. I took it for about a year when I was younger. It is a truly savage martial art that is not taught to widespread and is prohibited in all competitive fighting leagues. Most every move they teach you in it is fatal for your opponent.

When i use to do taekwondo my teacher , liked to inform us that the best self defence technique was to run.