Whats the difference between Thrash, death and black metal?

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#2 swatsickle
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Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

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I don't really know how to put it into words, I just hear it and tell what it is. :P

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#4 Oh_my
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Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

swatsickle

Which one is more extreme?

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[QUOTE="swatsickle"]

Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

Oh_my

Which one is more extreme?

death is usually the "extreme", brutal vocals, fast guitar riffs, and manic drums
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Oh my Thrash Metal (circa 1980s) is stuff like early Metallica and Megadeth. High tempo, shouted vocals and lots of riffs Death Metal is similar to thrash, but with growled vocals and lower guitar tunings and more extreme drum patterns. Black Metal is similar to thrash, but with more screamed and yelled vocals and less guitar solos and shorter songs.
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#8 Saturos3091
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If you want extreme, try grindcore.

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Eh, grind isn't that bad. It really depends on the band, and the simplicity of grindcore makes it seem almost childish. Goregrind/Brutal Death is more "extreme," especially in a technical sense, and some black metal (generally bands that strattle blackened death) songs are more extreme as well. However, Funeral Doom is by far the most "extreme" genre, since it's accessibility is basically zero and the guitarwork is essentially a wall of sound.

Anyway, Thrash Metal is fast, involves shredding and/or solos, drumwork is simplistic, and vocals tend to be shouted or sung. Lyrics can be about anything. Death metal features groove oriented drumming and blasting, occasionally solos, complex song structures, tempo changes, and growled vocals with lyrics that can be about anything. Black metal features virtually no song structure, repetitive drumwork, heavily distorted guitars, high-pitched vocals, a general lack of a bass guitar in most songs, poor production quality, and lyrics are generally (not limited to) about misanthropy and religion.

That's just a basic look at the genres, there's really a lot more subtle differences that you'll notice after listening to them for a bit.

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#9 -Misanthropic-
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Thrash is loud and aggresive, but at least easy on the ears.The others, not so much...

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Thrash Metal: What happened when heavy metal got combined with early punk attitude. Focuses almost entirely on guitar riffs. It is usually very fast with shouted or harsher melodic vocals. The most famous thrash metal bands are the 'Big Four' (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax), but other notable examples include Testament, Exodus, Overkill and countless others who mostly sound pretty similar. Crossover thrash is generally thrash metal with more of a hardcore influence. Examples of that would be Municipal Waste and Stormtroopers of Death.

Death Metal: Started as a more extreme offshoot of thrash metal, and as such, early death metal (Possesed, early Death) sounds very thrashy, however, that sound has evolved a lot since then. Generally includes low growled vocals intertwined with the occasional high screams, with low tuned, usually highly complex guitar riffs and fast and technical drumming. Incredibly diverse sub-genre, if you can bear, or enjoy harsh vocals then you will definitely find death metal you like somewhere in the heap, from technical death metal (Gorguts) to melodic death metal (Amon Amarth), to progressive death (Edge of Sanity).


Black Metal: Also started as an offshoot of thrash, black metal generally focuses on atmosphere rather than individual instrumentation. Mainly high screaming vocals, and a raw, dark sound, black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genres, and also contains the highest percentage of crap bands (there are some absolute gems, but also mountains and mountains of rubbish to wade through). Like death metal, the sound is incredibly varied. Deathspell Omega sounds nothing like Leviathan, for example. Often features atmospheric keyboards, with less pronounced and obnoxious use than power and prog metal.

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#11 Saturos3091
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black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresScalien26
I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.
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#12 Scalien26
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[QUOTE="Scalien26"]black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresSaturos3091
I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.

Doom like Candlemass and Black Sabbath (along with a few others) is incredibly accessible...

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[QUOTE="PerilousWolf"]Oh my Black Metal is similar to thrash, but with more screamed and yelled vocals and less guitar solos and shorter songs.

Way off dude. Black metal is longer than thrash and death by far.
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[QUOTE="Oh_my"]

[QUOTE="swatsickle"]

Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

lonewolf604

Which one is more extreme?

death is usually the "extreme", brutal vocals, fast guitar riffs, and manic drums

Both Death and Black Metal I would say is extreme, especially Black Metal that arose in Norway...

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#15 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Scalien26"]black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresScalien26

I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.

Doom like Candlemass and Black Sabbath (along with a few others) is incredibly accessible...



Well, even the progenitors of black metal, Bathory, Celtic Frost, etc. all were fairly accessible.

Catacombs - At the Edge of the Abyss

Just for good measure:

Sunn O))) - It Took the Night to Believe (Drone Doom)

That's what I'm talking about.

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a lot of people especially on the first page are either wrong or over generalized. this is the basic way of explanation that should give you the general feel thrash - most of thrash is very fast, and for the most part it could be the fastest ( death metal can be fast too, but death metal dosnt pride itself on speed alone, and some bands tend to slow things down as well ( death is a great example of this )) .. so thrash is yelled vocals with high energy, but no growls, and very rarely high pitch ( artillary and overkill get up there, but not black metal style) thrash for the most part focueses on great solo's and intricate, interesting riffs. singing is secondary. death - growled vocals / gutteral for the most part.. fast drums, a lot of blast beats. death metal focuses on being brutal over speed or technicality ( except for tech death metal) the vocals are the driving force here. dont expect to understand what the vocalist is saying unless you read the lyrics or listen 100 times.. lyrics are usually about dying, killing, mulilation.. pretty much anything that has to do with death. you wont find profound lyrics here, but no one says the have them. some bands offshoot from the usual lyrical formula ( again death is a good example) outside of tech death the guitar work in death metal usually isnt as intricate as in thrash, but do not take this as a overgeneralization, also do not listen to people who say death metal is just the lowest power chord played really fast, that is just ignorant. death metal is pretty much thrash metal, taken to an extreme vocally. emphasis has shifted from riffing to the vocals and brutality black metal. black metal seems to be more varied than death at least more obviously.. their is simphonic black metal as well as black metal that sounds like thrash metal with the vocal change. as i said earlier with death metal, every band is different, and their are many different types.. the main characteristics with black metal are lyrical themes of satanism, the occult, anti religion and stuff like that. also the vocals are either going to be a derivitave of high pitches screaming like halford and king diamond, or the kind of blackened thrash vocals of sodom , celtic frost and venom hope this helps more than " black metal screams, death metal throws up, and thrash metal is the best " haha
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Well, even the progenitors of black metal, Bathory, Celtic Frost, etc. all were fairly accessible.

Catacombs - At the Edge of the Abyss

Just for good measure:

Sunn O))) - It Took the Night to Believe (Drone Doom)

That's what I'm talking about.

Saturos3091

I would have to say that Bathory is definitely not easy to get into if you've never listened to extreme metal... Nothing until his "viking metal" stage with Hammerheart would he really become an easy listen to mainstream metal fans (sadly, I have not listened to much Venom or Celtic Frost, and am a false for not doing so, anyway...). And drone doom really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things because it's incredibly small and most people can normally only name Boris, Earth, and Sunn O))) in that genre.*shrug*

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if you listen to " under the sign of the black mark" without having listened to say sepultura, sodom, or kreator beforehand.. itll probly melt your face.. that album is definately not one for people faint at heart. itd give a metallica fanboy a heart attack.
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just wanted to link this, i saw them on tuesday and loved it. ill review the entire concert in my blog prob tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qabOmQXRvww

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/afflictor/IMG_0732.jpg

^ tour shirt :P

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#20 Juggernaut140
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Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

swatsickle
What?
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#21 nimatoad2000
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[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="swatsickle"]

Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.

Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.

Black is halloween type metal.

What?

thats why i wrote my discription, because i didnt want the OP to be influenced by people who only know what they have heard from other people.. if thrash is not heavy, then its not thrash anymore.
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I would have to say that Bathory is definitely not easy to get into if you've never listened to extreme metal... Nothing until his "viking metal" stage with Hammerheart would he really become an easy listen to mainstream metal fans (sadly, I have not listened to much Venom or Celtic Frost, and am a false for not doing so, anyway...). And drone doom really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things because it's incredibly small and most people can normally only name Boris, Earth, and Sunn O))) in that genre.*shrug*

Scalien26

Well, I wasn't talking about just drone doom. I just threw Sunn O))) in there for an example of something under the banter of doom to help exemplify it's innaccesibility over black. The progenitors of every genre were fairly easy to listen to compared to what evolved from them, so I was trying to judge based on the current state of the genre.

And I guess Bathory would be difficult, at least for a fairly new or non-metal listener, to grasp (their early material that is). Venom however is incredibly accessible in that they're more of a NWOBHM/speed metal band than anything. Lyrically they're similar to early black metal bands though. Celtic Frost is just blackened thrash. Nothing too out there or extreme.

EDIT: Damnit, GS doesn't want to work today. :(

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I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.
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I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.boshlonavish
After a bunch of listening, it becomes the only type of music you can fully enjoy.
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I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.boshlonavish
i completely understand what your saying.. like.. sign of the black mark.. production is crap.. the drums sound like tin cans.. quarthon is .. well quarthon.. its all atmospheric.. but its good.. like woman of dark desires.. but its not polished at all.. its a complete day and night to lets say.. rust in peace
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After a bunch of listening, it becomes the only type of music you can fully enjoy.

thats not true for everyone, thats you. ive listened to bathory and other black metal a lot.. but i'm still all about thrash.. sorry but dont tell people your opinion is what is fact. kkthxbai
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thats not true for everyone, thats you. ive listened to bathory and other black metal a lot.. but i'm still all about thrash.. sorry but dont tell people your opinion is what is fact. kkthxbainimatoad2000
I think he's talking about metal in general, from the quote. Even then that's just him.

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Well, imo thrash is more driving music, and it's not more agressive than it needs to be; death is more pounding, and it doesn't mind going overboard with agressiveness; and black is kind of a mix between overwhelming agression and a really dark, hopeless atmosphere.

I hope that made sense...

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[QUOTE="boshlonavish"]I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.Bumzur
After a bunch of listening, it becomes the only type of music you can fully enjoy.

I dig black metal as much as the next guy but I stil spin albums from Muse, John Coltrane, and The Beatles tbqh.

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Thrash is the one I like. I can't listen to death or black metal. Go ahead and call me racist.
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the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;

Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica

Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession

Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir

there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash

not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>

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the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;

Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica

Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession

Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir

there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash

not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>

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Great examples!

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Just discovered a pretty nice metal band more on the rock tip.

peep: http://underground.alpine-usa.com/RocktheDash/band_index.php?bid=697

hmm.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="dante_123456"]

the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;

Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica

Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession

Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir

there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash

not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>

Great examples!

belphagor... arghh.. i saw them this tuesday with warbringer, exodus and kreator.. they were definately the lesser of the 4 skillwise and excitement wise.. their riffs sounded very , dare i quote vilot hero - stock , and the solo's were as crap as slayers.. also the leader was just soo corny with his " chant with me " HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN" and then pulling out the mask for the last two songs.. well it was soo corny it was funny, so at least there was that.. and then when exodus busted out playing bonded by blood.. i woke up again.. and was slammed by the wall of death.