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Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.
Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.
Black is halloween type metal.
Which one is more extreme? death is usually the "extreme", brutal vocals, fast guitar riffs, and manic drums[QUOTE="swatsickle"]
Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.
Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.
Black is halloween type metal.
Oh_my
Eh, grind isn't that bad. It really depends on the band, and the simplicity of grindcore makes it seem almost childish. Goregrind/Brutal Death is more "extreme," especially in a technical sense, and some black metal (generally bands that strattle blackened death) songs are more extreme as well. However, Funeral Doom is by far the most "extreme" genre, since it's accessibility is basically zero and the guitarwork is essentially a wall of sound.If you want extreme, try grindcore.
swatsickle
Thrash Metal: What happened when heavy metal got combined with early punk attitude. Focuses almost entirely on guitar riffs. It is usually very fast with shouted or harsher melodic vocals. The most famous thrash metal bands are the 'Big Four' (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax), but other notable examples include Testament, Exodus, Overkill and countless others who mostly sound pretty similar. Crossover thrash is generally thrash metal with more of a hardcore influence. Examples of that would be Municipal Waste and Stormtroopers of Death.
Death Metal: Started as a more extreme offshoot of thrash metal, and as such, early death metal (Possesed, early Death) sounds very thrashy, however, that sound has evolved a lot since then. Generally includes low growled vocals intertwined with the occasional high screams, with low tuned, usually highly complex guitar riffs and fast and technical drumming. Incredibly diverse sub-genre, if you can bear, or enjoy harsh vocals then you will definitely find death metal you like somewhere in the heap, from technical death metal (Gorguts) to melodic death metal (Amon Amarth), to progressive death (Edge of Sanity).
Black Metal: Also started as an offshoot of thrash, black metal generally focuses on atmosphere rather than individual instrumentation. Mainly high screaming vocals, and a raw, dark sound, black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genres, and also contains the highest percentage of crap bands (there are some absolute gems, but also mountains and mountains of rubbish to wade through). Like death metal, the sound is incredibly varied. Deathspell Omega sounds nothing like Leviathan, for example. Often features atmospheric keyboards, with less pronounced and obnoxious use than power and prog metal.
black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresScalien26I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.
[QUOTE="Scalien26"]black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresSaturos3091I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.
Doom like Candlemass and Black Sabbath (along with a few others) is incredibly accessible...
[QUOTE="Oh_my"]Which one is more extreme? death is usually the "extreme", brutal vocals, fast guitar riffs, and manic drums[QUOTE="swatsickle"]
Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.
Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.
Black is halloween type metal.
lonewolf604
Both Death and Black Metal I would say is extreme, especially Black Metal that arose in Norway...
I am ever so inclined to disagree. :P There definately are tons of crap bands in the genre though (and like you said, some absolute gems). I still believe Doom, one of the "big four" of the extreme metal subgenres is overlooked due to it's inaccessibility. Drone, and Progressive (the technical branch of it) are easily down there as well.[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Scalien26"]black metal is the least accessible of the metal sub-genresScalien26
Doom like Candlemass and Black Sabbath (along with a few others) is incredibly accessible...
Sunn O))) - It Took the Night to Believe (Drone Doom)
That's what I'm talking about.
Well, even the progenitors of black metal, Bathory, Celtic Frost, etc. all were fairly accessible.
Catacombs - At the Edge of the Abyss
Just for good measure:Sunn O))) - It Took the Night to Believe (Drone Doom)
That's what I'm talking about.Saturos3091
I would have to say that Bathory is definitely not easy to get into if you've never listened to extreme metal... Nothing until his "viking metal" stage with Hammerheart would he really become an easy listen to mainstream metal fans (sadly, I have not listened to much Venom or Celtic Frost, and am a false for not doing so, anyway...). And drone doom really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things because it's incredibly small and most people can normally only name Boris, Earth, and Sunn O))) in that genre.*shrug*
just wanted to link this, i saw them on tuesday and loved it. ill review the entire concert in my blog prob tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qabOmQXRvww
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/afflictor/IMG_0732.jpg
^ tour shirt :P
What?Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.
Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.
Black is halloween type metal.
swatsickle
Thrash is fast but not necessarily heavy.
Death is heavy with octave-shifted vocals.
Black is halloween type metal.
What? thats why i wrote my discription, because i didnt want the OP to be influenced by people who only know what they have heard from other people.. if thrash is not heavy, then its not thrash anymore.Well, I wasn't talking about just drone doom. I just threw Sunn O))) in there for an example of something under the banter of doom to help exemplify it's innaccesibility over black. The progenitors of every genre were fairly easy to listen to compared to what evolved from them, so I was trying to judge based on the current state of the genre.I would have to say that Bathory is definitely not easy to get into if you've never listened to extreme metal... Nothing until his "viking metal" stage with Hammerheart would he really become an easy listen to mainstream metal fans (sadly, I have not listened to much Venom or Celtic Frost, and am a false for not doing so, anyway...). And drone doom really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things because it's incredibly small and most people can normally only name Boris, Earth, and Sunn O))) in that genre.*shrug*
Scalien26
And I guess Bathory would be difficult, at least for a fairly new or non-metal listener, to grasp (their early material that is). Venom however is incredibly accessible in that they're more of a NWOBHM/speed metal band than anything. Lyrically they're similar to early black metal bands though. Celtic Frost is just blackened thrash. Nothing too out there or extreme.
EDIT: Damnit, GS doesn't want to work today. :(
I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.boshlonavishAfter a bunch of listening, it becomes the only type of music you can fully enjoy.
I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.boshlonavishi completely understand what your saying.. like.. sign of the black mark.. production is crap.. the drums sound like tin cans.. quarthon is .. well quarthon.. its all atmospheric.. but its good.. like woman of dark desires.. but its not polished at all.. its a complete day and night to lets say.. rust in peace
thats not true for everyone, thats you. ive listened to bathory and other black metal a lot.. but i'm still all about thrash.. sorry but dont tell people your opinion is what is fact. kkthxbainimatoad2000I think he's talking about metal in general, from the quote. Even then that's just him.
Well, imo thrash is more driving music, and it's not more agressive than it needs to be; death is more pounding, and it doesn't mind going overboard with agressiveness; and black is kind of a mix between overwhelming agression and a really dark, hopeless atmosphere.
I hope that made sense...
[QUOTE="boshlonavish"]I just listened to some Bathory songs, and all I can say is: What the hell did I just listen to? I mean, I'm not trying to flame them or anybody who likes them, but I really don't see the appeal to it. But then again, I used to think the same thing about pretty much all metal, so I guess it just takes some getting used to.BumzurAfter a bunch of listening, it becomes the only type of music you can fully enjoy.
I dig black metal as much as the next guy but I stil spin albums from Muse, John Coltrane, and The Beatles tbqh.
the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;
Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica
Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession
Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir
there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash
not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>
the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;
Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica
Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession
Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir
there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash
not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>
dante_123456
Great examples!
[QUOTE="dante_123456"]
the best way is just to let you hear for yourself;
Thrash Metal: Slayer, Metallica
Death Metal: Cannibal Corpse, Spawn of Possession
Black Metal: Immortal, Dimmu Borgir
there are also combinations of the 3; Death/Thrash, Blackened Death Metal, Black/Thrash
not to mention the 3 can be combined with basically any other sub genre of Metal >_>
Great examples!
belphagor... arghh.. i saw them this tuesday with warbringer, exodus and kreator.. they were definately the lesser of the 4 skillwise and excitement wise.. their riffs sounded very , dare i quote vilot hero - stock , and the solo's were as crap as slayers.. also the leader was just soo corny with his " chant with me " HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN" and then pulling out the mask for the last two songs.. well it was soo corny it was funny, so at least there was that.. and then when exodus busted out playing bonded by blood.. i woke up again.. and was slammed by the wall of death.Please Log In to post.
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