What's up with American patriotism?

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#1 Jagun90
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I'm from the UK.But what is up with the patriotism in US classrooms?. It may be cute and foster loyalty to the nation, but it is not educational, it's bordering on indoctrination. Making kids stand up and make an oath of alliegence is too close to what the organisations like the Hitler Youth did. Call it Godwin if you will, but the similarity is there, and I don't believe that it can honestly be called a piece of education.

Education is based upon facts and reality, not opinions and nation entities. If there's no good educational reason to be making kids do these things apart from "Patriotic duty" it shouldn't be there. Rattling off the names of states and presidents is meaningless, devoud of benifit. History is about telling the real story behind how things came together, why certain people were considered important, and why the world is the way it is. Names don't have any of that. If they spent more time teaching actual events rather than how to be parrots, perhaps things would turn around. As it is, I don't see any benifit to thier minds, or their potential skills to employers.
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#2 DeeJayInphinity
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There's a lot of patriotism everywhere, Americans aren't the only ones that do it.
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#3 Aznsilvrboy
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You should check out Chinese nationalism :|
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#4 Samwel_X
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Likening it to Hitler Youth is abit much. But back to the main point, some Americans are patriotic, so are some English people. The thing I don't like is when American people come around saying "Our country is the best in the world", which can get alittle annoying.
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#5 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I think you have a very poor understanding of what goes on in US classrooms. They don't teach blind patriotism.
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#6 LJS9502_basic
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I've encountered quite a few overly zealous patriotic Brits, Aussies, and Canadianshere as well. Guess patriotism isn't JUST an American hobby.
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#7 mark4091
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One of my schools in Canada made me do it, so it's not just Americans.
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#8 Def_Jef88
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Besides the pledge maybe, there isnt any "blind patriotism" going on in the schools ive been to.
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#9 CRS98
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They have US classrooms? Daayuum.

Anyway, we normally pledge allegiance everyday at around 2nd period.

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Likening it to Hitler Youth is abit much. But back to the main point, some Americans are patriotic, so are some English people. The thing I don't like is when American people come around saying "Our country is the best in the world", which can get alittle annoying.Samwel_X
But it is true :shock:
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#11 Samwel_X
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[QUOTE="Samwel_X"]Likening it to Hitler Youth is abit much. But back to the main point, some Americans are patriotic, so are some English people. The thing I don't like is when American people come around saying "Our country is the best in the world", which can get alittle annoying.cool_baller
But it is true :shock:

I understand that most people on Gamespot aren't like that, and its all stuff I can put up with... hell I'm sure English people go around saying they are the best country in the world.

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#12 8IbodI8
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Patriotism isn't actually that rampant in America, it's just that a lot of patriotic Americans let everyone know how patriotc they are. At my school, the pledge of allegiance is held every day 2nd period and almost no one actually pays attention.
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Patriotism is loyalty to a country. There's nothing wrong in my opinion with patriotism if it relates to the citizens of one country. Nationalism is superiority to other countries. That's the problem more than anything.
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#14 Darth_Tyrev
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You don't have to say the pledge if you don't want to.
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I think you have a very poor understanding of what goes on in US classrooms. They don't teach blind patriotism. sonicare
Seriously. The last time I remember saying the pledge of allegiance regularly was 2nd grade and we'd just screw around during it anyways. The hitler youth comparison is more than a little hyperbolic.

I seem to remember that there is a song to help english schoolchildren remember the names of the kings of england. Knowing who led your country and what the different parts of it are seems worth learning.

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#17 agturboninja
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Public Schools teach indoctrination since the U.S. Government owns public schools. So form a government point of view Totalitarian is the most efficient government since the people are not in control. Patriotism is not about obedience. Patriotism is dissent from current government policies. The founding fathers were very radical overthrowing the tyrannical regime and going against the status quo. That's patriotism. Blindly having 100% submission to governmentis totalitarian.

American Patriotism today isn't patriotism. It's Nationalism.

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Being a racists Canadian Eskimo seal farmer, I only have one thing to say here...............eh! :?
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#19 Axed54
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It's none of your business !!!!
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#20 LJS9502_basic
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Public Schools teach indoctrination since the U.S. Government owns public schools. So form a government point of view Totalitarian is the most efficient government since the people are not in control. Patriotism is not about obedience. Patriotism is dissent from current government policies. The founding fathers were very radical overthrowing the tyrannical regime and going against the status quo. That's patriotism. Blindly having 100% submission to governmentis totalitarian.

American Patriotism today isn't patriotism. It's Nationalism.

agturboninja

Public schools are local....not national.

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#21 romocop33
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indoctrination and the american public school system go hand-in-hand.
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#22 LJS9502_basic
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indoctrination and the american public school system go hand-in-hand.romocop33

If that were true all the students in the public schools would join the military.:roll:

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#23 romocop33
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[QUOTE="romocop33"]indoctrination and the american public school system go hand-in-hand.LJS9502_basic

If that were true all the students in the public schools would join the military.:roll:

indoctrinated CEO's are much more valuable than soldiers.

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#24 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="romocop33"]indoctrination and the american public school system go hand-in-hand.romocop33

If that were true all the students in the public schools would join the military.:roll:

indoctrinated CEO's are much more valuable than soldiers.

Who is to say CEO's all come from public schools?