What's up with evolution and religion not being able to co-exist?

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#1 PecansAreNuts
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Why can't evolution just be the answer to how, not as to why? I know Stan from South Park said that, but that's how I feel, as a Catholic. Parts of the Bible are just stories with morals and points, and a reflection of the Biblical ages. Spirituality and God can co-exist. And we're not monkeys, we just share a common ancestor with monkeys, as the Great Apes.

Your opinons?

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Can't evolution just be the answer to how, not as to why? I know Stan from South Park said that, but thats how I feel, as a Catholic. Parts of the Bible are just stories with morals and points, and a reflection of the Biblical ages. Spirtuatly and God can co-exist. And we're not monkeys, we just share a common ancestor with monkeys, as the Great Apes.

Your opinons?

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I tottaly agree with you.

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NNNNNNNNNNNnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! another religion thread :x
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#4 SmashBrosLegend
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I agree. I hate it when people make the mistake in thinking that religion and scientific belief are mutually exclusive.
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#5 foxhound_fox
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Most people who attack evolution think that it is the way of explaining how life began... which it isn't. Evolution and any religion can easily co-exist because they don't ever contradict each other. Creationism on the other hand... well...
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#6 ferrari2001
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By catholic teachings you can believe in both. In fact we are required to learn evolution at the catholic school I go to. The bible never says things couldn't have been created through evolution.
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#7 PecansAreNuts
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Thanks everyone. I know everyones sick of religious threads and forums, but I just need to blow off some steam.
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#8 blackngold29
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I'm a catholic and I believe in evolution. I dunno why people go nuts over it.
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#9 inyourface_12
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the catholic church already publicly endorses evolution coexisting with God.:|
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#10 notconspiracy
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that my friend is the 1st foundational falsehood of creationism
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#11 deactivated-5fc39ee132cf4
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I believe in evolution and creation. Im not catholic.
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#12 helium_flash
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That's what my parents believe. They are Christian but believe in evolution.

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#13 mindstorm
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If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.
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#14 Cerussite
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Religion and evolution can co-exist, but people are stupid.
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#15 blackmagesm
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They can coexist, but I prefer one over the other.
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#16 blackmagesm
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If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm

FUNDY ALERT!

Noah's flood hasn't been taken literally for 200 years, even before Darwin.

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#17 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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Actually this thread comes up once a week, so obviously it can.
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#18 xxDustmanxx
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like mindstorm said religion and evolution cant coexist without evolution compromising what is written in religions holy books
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If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm

Creationism isn't a science. Evolution is a science. When Creationism becomes a science with observable and demonstrable evidence to support it, that is when it will conflict with evolution. A book of stories isn't evidence.
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#20 notconspiracy
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If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm
the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.
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#21 DeeJayInphinity
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They can, but it breaks people's hearts to think that humans are just another species on Earth trying to get by, and that chances are we'll go extinct like most of Earth's life. They see that as empty..and for some people, it's easier to get rid of evolution than it is to accept both.
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#22 ElArab
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EVILution?! AND RELIGION COEXISTING?! What in the name of Raptor Jesus is this blasphemous heathen spewing from the darkest depths of his corrupted mind and miasamic soul?! How dare you even mention this, may you suffer in the lowest circle of hell! If Raptor Jesus was in his tomb (but he's not, zomg) he'd be rolling...
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#23 carrot-cake
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God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!?
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#24 blackmagesm
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God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? carrot-cake

Chuck Norris?

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#25 notconspiracy
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God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? carrot-cake
god is by definition "un-created"
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#26 ElArab
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God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? carrot-cake

fchan did

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The Bible isn't a book of science. It was written as an easy to understand guide for living.
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? notconspiracy
god is by definition "un-created"

Depends on which "God" you're talking about.

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#29 notconspiracy
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The Bible isn't a book of science. It was written as an easy to understand guide for living.MKHavoc
maybe the Penatuch, but not the new Testament. The bible is a collection of books which contain the Torah (penatuch) which give 613 commandments, The History section which gives a history of the nation of Israel, the poetry section, Major prophets, and minor prophets. The New Testament is a series of Biographies and letters of advice canonized under one cover.
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#30 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="carrot-cake"]God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? Rand_Of_Andor

god is by definition "un-created"

Depends on which "God" you're talking about.

The Judeo-christian God. He is uncreated.
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#31 blackngold29
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Actually this thread comes up once a week, so obviously it can.FrostyPhantasm
Yes, but the real question is why does it come up once a week?
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#32 ElArab
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]Actually this thread comes up once a week, so obviously it can.blackngold29
Yes, but the real question is why does it come up once a week?

-because people are still too daft to realize that science and religion can co-exist, so one person has to double check every so often....

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.notconspiracy
the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.

Why is it that when one person who either is a Christian or claim to be a Christian says or does something somehow people take it to mean all people believe that? An example is the Pope, he has officially endorced Evolution. Because he says something doesn't mean I am to believe it. According to him I'm not even a Christian...

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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm

the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.

Why is it that when one person who either is a Christian or claim to be a Christian says or does something somehow people take it to mean all people believe that? An example is the Pope, he has officially endorced Evolution. Because he says something doesn't mean I am to believe it. According to him I'm not even a Christian...

ooookay.

so, other than it being in the book of Genesis, why do you believe the story about Noah's ark? do you endorse a global flood theory?

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#35 nick3333
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Three words: cognitive dissonance and stupidity.
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]God created the earth billions of years ago, and everything evolved into what we have today.
But what created God!? ElArab

fchan did


I see wot you did thar
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If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm
Okay, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic grade school (learned about evolution there as well), and considered myself a Christian probably until I was about 16 or 17. So I've never believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible. But even when I was Christian I could never wrap my head around how people could view the Bible as literal. Its not as if god came out of the sky one day with a copy of the King James version, and said, "Hey guys I threw this together in my spare time, thought you might enjoy!"

Sorry that's probably not what you believe, but my point is that the Bible has always been and always will be a work of man. You could argue that god inspired prophets to write the books contained in the Bible, but they're still written by men, who have been given free-will, a choice between right and wrong, by god himself. And it was not god who decided which books and which gospels would or would not be included in the Bible, it was again, men who made that decision. So how can you or anyone without a bad case of cognitive dissonance, say that any work of man is the absolute word of god?
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.notconspiracy

the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.

Why is it that when one person who either is a Christian or claim to be a Christian says or does something somehow people take it to mean all people believe that? An example is the Pope, he has officially endorced Evolution. Because he says something doesn't mean I am to believe it. According to him I'm not even a Christian...

ooookay.

so, other than it being in the book of Genesis, why do you believe the story about Noah's ark? do you endorse a global flood theory?

Yes, I do indeed endorse the global flood theory. As in two of every kind (not species) of animal got on the ark and 7 of some. As in every animal and person outside the ark was distroyed.

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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm

the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.

Why is it that when one person who either is a Christian or claim to be a Christian says or does something somehow people take it to mean all people believe that? An example is the Pope, he has officially endorced Evolution. Because he says something doesn't mean I am to believe it. According to him I'm not even a Christian...

ooookay.

so, other than it being in the book of Genesis, why do you believe the story about Noah's ark? do you endorse a global flood theory?

Yes, I do indeed endorse the global flood theory. As in two of every kind (not species) of animal got on the ark and 7 of some. As in every animal and person outside the ark was distroyed.

Back then, if you think about it, the whole world consisted of Mesopotamia. So Mesopotamia could have been flooded and to them the whole world was flooded. Just thought I'd put that out there.
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Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

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To me science and religion are two completely different things Bible and scientific really differs in terms of how the human evolution began.
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Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

Tykain
Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.
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[QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

blackngold29

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

Tykain

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

Many Christians believe that the bible is allegorical and not to be taken literally.
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[QUOTE="Tykain"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

ProudLarry

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

Many Christians believe that the bible is allegorical and not to be taken literally.

Then why believe in a god?

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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="Tykain"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

xxDustmanxx

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

Many Christians believe that the bible is allegorical and not to be taken literally.

Then why believe in a god?

Those aren't my beliefs, so I'm not going to defend them, or pretend to speak for those that hold those beliefs. I don't see any rational reason to believe in a god, but I don't see why people who use faith to justify their belief, need the bible as well.
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]If one is to understand the Bible as it was originally meant then one cannot come to believe that the Bible and Evolution can coexist. To believe in Evolution would contradict many aspects of the creation mentioned in the Bible. Only recently is Genesis pre-flood taken allegorically in the way that it is. If one is to be a Bible believing Christian then one cannot compromise what the book says.mindstorm

the scientific community abandoned the Global flood story 200 years ago what with James Hutton and all.

Why is it that when one person who either is a Christian or claim to be a Christian says or does something somehow people take it to mean all people believe that? An example is the Pope, he has officially endorced Evolution. Because he says something doesn't mean I am to believe it. According to him I'm not even a Christian...

ooookay.

so, other than it being in the book of Genesis, why do you believe the story about Noah's ark? do you endorse a global flood theory?

Yes, I do indeed endorse the global flood theory. As in two of every kind (not species) of animal got on the ark and 7 of some. As in every animal and person outside the ark was distroyed.

==Oh, you're going to hate me by the end of this.

So basically there are billions and billions of species of animals. There are several thousand species of, say, beetle. If this flood occured, say, four to five thousand years ago, then what you're telling me is that the four hundred thousand species of beetle, then, evolved over this time period? That would mean that there are one hundred species of beetle formed every year, which is approximately one species every half month.

This is an absurd evaluation, because if this were true when a woman had a child it would be an entirely new organism. But this is indeed not so.

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#49 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

Tykain

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

this would be true if the bible were one book written by one person. This would also be true if the new testament Gospels were intended to be scripture.
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#50 blackngold29
Member since 2004 • 14137 Posts
[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="Tykain"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Tykain"]

Religion and evolution can't really co-exist.

They contradict one another in many ways.

xxDustmanxx

Hmm, when you're the first to say that it raises some flags.

Well you can't believe in evolution while believing in what's said in the bible. they completely contradict each others. Or you only believe in certain things in the bible and not the ones contradicting evolution, but then what's the point to believe in anything said in it ? Surely you would think if some of it is BS then the rest is just as likely to be BS as well.

Many Christians believe that the bible is allegorical and not to be taken literally.

Then why believe in a god?

I gotta go to sleep soon, so I don't have time for another ginormous religious debate; you have your belifs, I have mine, neither of us is going to change the others mind. In short, The God part wasn't alligorical.