What's your opinion of Bradley Manning?

A hero and nothing less. The men in that chopper are the ones who should be trialed

Good man for showing these wrong doings.

Edit: Well, now I've divided on the subject.

He's also in jail. Brave I suppose, but not very smart. They show everyone in Basic what happens if you make enemies in high places, and I'm pretty sure he ruffled some feathers all the way to the top.

A hero and nothing less. The men in that chopper are the ones who should be trialed

Overlord93

Completely agree.

A criminal who should remain in jail.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A criminal who should remain in jail.junglist101

[QUOTE="junglist101"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A criminal who should remain in jail.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="junglist101"]Please elaborate.junglist101

I wouldn't say he betrayed the nation, but he IS in violation of UCMJ. Which is why he is not very smart. UCMJ dictates your rights when you join the military.

[QUOTE="junglist101"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A criminal who should remain in jail.LJS9502_basic

me neither

I wouldn't say he betrayed the nation, but he IS in violation of UCMJ. Which is why he is not very smart. UCMJ dictates your rights when you join the military.

stizz-

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="junglist101"]All governement info belongs to the people. After all, it is our government. For the people, by the people...junglist101

He violated the UCMJ, plain and simple. I personally believe that there is information, particularly related to the military or intelligence services, that the public should not be privy to.

I have complete respect for him, he stood for what was right in a courageous way. The US government condemning him while supporting giving a nobel peace prize to a chinese dissident is as hypocritical as it gets.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="junglist101"] So I guess if my freind murders several people I shouldn't tell anyone right? junglist101

yes yes we've heard it all before 'bu bu teh government is teh evil! bu bu bu'

He is a Patriot.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="junglist101"] So I guess if my freind murders several people I shouldn't tell anyone right? junglist101

He's a criminal....The idea that all information belongs to the people is ludicrous...try playing poker with your hands completely exposed.....see how far that gets you...Omni-Slash

He's a criminal....The idea that all information belongs to the people is ludicrous...try playing poker with your hands completely exposed.....see how far that gets you...Omni-Slash

hiding your hands in poker is not killing any innocent people.kuraimen

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]He's a criminal....The idea that all information belongs to the people is ludicrous...try playing poker with your hands completely exposed.....see how far that gets you...kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] hiding your hands in poker is not killing any innocent people.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]He's a criminal....The idea that all information belongs to the people is ludicrous...try playing poker with your hands completely exposed.....see how far that gets you...LJS9502_basic

I think both Peyton and Eli are better quarterbacks.

He's a traitor to his nation, who completely betrayed the trust of his colleagues. I have no respect for such a man.MetalGear_Ninty

im wiith this opinion. So far I have seen nothing of substance from his leak. The distinction between a whistle blower and a traitor is that you are aware of the information you are giving out and it shows corruption... manning just indiscriminately gave out secrets while being completely unaware of the info.

There might not be any country that does that but hopefully if more brave people like Manning and those who work for Wikileaks continue doing what they do then maybe that will change.kuraimen

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]He's a traitor to his nation, who completely betrayed the trust of his colleagues. I have no respect for such a man.markinthedark

im wiith this opinion. So far I have seen nothing of substance from his leak. The distinction between a whistle blower and a traitor is that you are aware of the information you are giving out and it shows corruption... manning just indiscriminately gave out secrets while being completely unaware of the info.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]There might not be any country that does that but hopefully if more brave people like Manning and those who work for Wikileaks continue doing what they do then maybe that will change.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]There might not be any country that does that but hopefully if more brave people like Manning and those who work for Wikileaks continue doing what they do then maybe that will change.kuraimen

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]He's a traitor to his nation, who completely betrayed the trust of his colleagues. I have no respect for such a man.LJS9502_basic

im wiith this opinion. So far I have seen nothing of substance from his leak. The distinction between a whistle blower and a traitor is that you are aware of the information you are giving out and it shows corruption... manning just indiscriminately gave out secrets while being completely unaware of the info.

Whatever, he couldn't possibly have read all those files by himself but if among all the unimportant stuff things like these are uncovered then he has my whole support

Yeah because pimping boys in Afghanistan and consealing it is not against the law, asking the Uganda government to tell the US when they are going to use their intelligence to commit warcrimes as a heads up only is not against the law, pressuring governments backstage to spare soldiers that have commited murder is not against the law, US oil companies infiltrating people in foreign nations to control internal politics in their favor is not against the law, kidnapping an innocent man and then pressuring a foreign government to not pursue the kidnappers is not against the law, a US pharmaceutical company making illegal experimentation with drugs on children and then blackmailing foreign government officials to dismiss the case is not against the law.

It's a very difficult situation. In the military there is the chain of command. You are supposed to obey your orders. However, some people say that questioning and challenging your orders is the right thing to do. If you see something that you don't agree with, you disobey. Problem with that, is any military that does that will fail. It will be unable to function. So what is right?

Of course I support they do it for everyone equally. But even then if it is the enemies who uncover some countries atrocities then that's actually good. The US violates human rights but if they uncover some human rights violations in China or North Korea then the fact that they violate human rights doesn't take away the fact that uncovering what China and NK are doing is the right thing to do.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Of course I support they do it for everyone equally. But even then if it is the enemies who uncover some countries atrocities then that's actually good. The US violates human rights but if they uncover some human rights violations in China or North Korea then the fact that they violate human rights doesn't take away the fact that uncovering what China and NK are doing is the right thing to do.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

im wiith this opinion. So far I have seen nothing of substance from his leak. The distinction between a whistle blower and a traitor is that you are aware of the information you are giving out and it shows corruption... manning just indiscriminately gave out secrets while being completely unaware of the info.

kuraimen

Whatever, he couldn't possibly have read all those files by himself but if among all the unimportant stuff things like these are uncovered then he has my whole support

Yeah because pimping boys in Afghanistan and consealing it is not against the law, asking the Uganda government to tell the US when they are going to use their intelligence to commit warcrimes as a heads up only is not against the law, pressuring governments backstage to spare soldiers that have commited murder is not against the law, US oil companies infiltrating people in foreign nations to control internal politics in their favor is not against the law, kidnapping an innocent man and then pressuring a foreign government to not pursue the kidnappers is not against the law, a US pharmaceutical company making illegal experimentation with drugs on children and then blackmailing foreign government officials to dismiss the case is not against the law.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

im wiith this opinion. So far I have seen nothing of substance from his leak. The distinction between a whistle blower and a traitor is that you are aware of the information you are giving out and it shows corruption... manning just indiscriminately gave out secrets while being completely unaware of the info.

kuraimen

Whatever, he couldn't possibly have read all those files by himself but if among all the unimportant stuff things like these are uncovered then he has my whole support

Yeah because pimping boys in Afghanistan and consealing it is not against the law, asking the Uganda government to tell the US when they are going to use their intelligence to commit warcrimes as a heads up only is not against the law, pressuring governments backstage to spare soldiers that have commited murder is not against the law, US oil companies infiltrating people in foreign nations to control internal politics in their favor is not against the law, kidnapping an innocent man and then pressuring a foreign government to not pursue the kidnappers is not against the law, a US pharmaceutical company making illegal experimentation with drugs on children and then blackmailing foreign government officials to dismiss the case is not against the law.

He couldnt have read all the files, he didnt read all the files... probably read none of the files. If a FBI agent gave Russia an indiscrimate blanket of US cIassified documents during the cold war, he would be a traitor... would he not? Or would he also be a free speech hero?

well its all about perspective.

For Nazi germany, Stauffenberg was an traitor. For the rest he was a hero.

It's a very difficult situation. In the military there is the chain of command. You are supposed to obey your orders. However, some people say that questioning and challenging your orders is the right thing to do. If you see something that you don't agree with, you disobey. Problem with that, is any military that does that will fail. It will be unable to function. So what is right?

sonicare

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's true. He was just stealing anything he could. Most of which was unimportant. markinthedark

Whatever, he couldn't possibly have read all those files by himself but if among all the unimportant stuff things like these are uncovered then he has my whole support

Yeah because pimping boys in Afghanistan and consealing it is not against the law, asking the Uganda government to tell the US when they are going to use their intelligence to commit warcrimes as a heads up only is not against the law, pressuring governments backstage to spare soldiers that have commited murder is not against the law, US oil companies infiltrating people in foreign nations to control internal politics in their favor is not against the law, kidnapping an innocent man and then pressuring a foreign government to not pursue the kidnappers is not against the law, a US pharmaceutical company making illegal experimentation with drugs on children and then blackmailing foreign government officials to dismiss the case is not against the law.

He couldnt have read all the files, he didnt read all the files... probably read none of the files. If a FBI agent gave Russia an indiscrimate blanket of US cIassified documents during the cold war, he would be a traitor... would he not? Or would he also be a free speech hero?

well its all about perspective.

For Nazi germany, Stauffenberg was an traitor. For the rest he was a hero.

Half-Way

Why is a government doing so ok and not a person? Why did the US support the chinese dissident exposing the chinese government and supported him getting a Nobel Peace Prize then? Yeah I'm not fan of double standards.kuraimen