When people say "You shouldn't judge people"....

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

way to judge non-judgemental people ..

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

YellowOneKinobi

way to judge non-judgemental people ..

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Everyone judges someone else. Even the people who say, "You shouldn't judge people," are judging those who judge with that statement. The truth is that judgement is not reserved for us though, unless I'm a spotless person I can't say anything about anyone else. I do, but I shouldn't.

Its ok to judge someone by the way they act. But its wrong to judge someone by their race, religion, sexuality or gender.

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

My sense of judgement gets me out of a lot of trouble. When I see a group of 6 hooded figures hanging near a cash point during New Years Eve I decide NOT to use that cashpoint. Oh I shouldn't judge them? I should give them the benefit of the doubt? I don't think so you live in your world I will carry on living in mine.

Everyone judges. You should, anyway. You're probably not well off if you're unable to form your own views and opinions.

Being constantly verbal and aggressive about your views is another story.

Ehh... Not really. Most people who say that are just trying to politely ask you to shut your mouth and stop being rude where other people can hear you and may get offended. If they were in private and really didn't want to hear it, they'd probably just tell you to STFU straight up.XilePrincess

Everyone judges. You should, anyway. You're probably not well off if you're unable to form your own views and opinions.

Being constantly verbal and aggressive about your views is another story.

I'm taking a sort of class at my churchYellowOneKinobi

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

No, they are usually people who are trying to be politically correct.Overlord93

This.....and F that :P.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"] Well we are ALL judgemental so it's a somewhat useless bit of advice.Symphonycometh

Church people generally like to be all...XilePrincess

Every single point you bring up has a theological answer, and a simple one, but I'm just going to address this first part here: "Church people generally..." Church attendees just in the United States number over 100 million. You think maybe you're over-generalizing, just a little bit?

Oh, regarding the original post, that's pretty useless advice. You'd have to define "judge' before you even begin to make, hehe, a judgement on this issue.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]...What's with all the love in your sig? lolrawsavon

I'm goin to send you an obnoxious PM so I can get in your sig too.

Its like saying "we should all get along" sure it sounds good but not one person on this rock is going to follow through on it.
I try to not judge people but its fruitle.

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]Church people generally like to be all...Palantas

Every single point you bring up has a theological answer, and a simple one, but I'm just going to address this first part here: "Church people generally..." Church attendees just in the United States number over 100 million. You think maybe you're over-generalizing, just a little bit?

Yep, I'm generalizing. and I'm fine with that. But I've yet to meet somebody that is serious business about church who hasn't been completely hypocritical about that sort of thing. It's human nature to judge others. Seems a bit stupid to be telling other people not to do something, while you're doing it.

EDIT: Also, I noticed you conveniently cut my post at a critical bit. I wasn't just generalizing church people, even though I do admit that I will and I don't much care. I was generalizing the idea that most of them have that the only person/thing/being that they have to care what they think is God/Jesus etc.

You kind of twisted what I was saying by cutting it off right there.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] This man knows what he is talking about. We all make judgments about every person and situation...it is what our minds are designed to do. It is what we do with these snap judgments that is most importantrawsavon

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] This man knows what he is talking about. We all make judgments about every person and situation...it is what our minds are designed to do. It is what we do with these snap judgments that is most importantrawsavon

But I've yet to meet somebody that is serious business about church who hasn't been completely hypocritical about that sort of thing.

XilePrincess

That sounds like some solid research right there. I've yet to meet any Iranians who weren't shooting at me, so they must all be violent psychopaths...No wait, I don't think that at all. But it's okay to generalize about huge groups of people when they're not progressives or some victim group, right?

I think a much more likely explanation is that your both your data set of "church people" and your knowledge of Christianity are exceedingly sparse. And you could totally avoid displaying this if you'd just referenced the persons mentioned in the original post, instead of trying to construct some sort of theory involving hundreds of millions of people around the world.

EDIT: Also, I noticed you conveniently cut my post at a critical bit. I wasn't just generalizing church people, even though I do admit that I will and I don't much care. I was generalizing the idea that most of them have that the only person/thing/being that they have to care what they think is God/Jesus etc.

XilePrincess

You're making a distinction between generalizing about people, versus generalizing about what people believe? What's the difference? The context of this discussion was about beliefs and not...I don't even know what...physical characteristics or something.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]I'm taking a sort of class at my churchXilePrincess

What did you say to them? :lol:Symphonycometh

.... Palantas

I didn't even specify Christianity on purpose.XilePrincess

I took "church people" to mean people who attend religious services. If you don't want to limit it to Christianity, then your generalizations include even more people and are that much more unfounded. It's not that you've actually studied these ideas and rejected them; it's painfully obvious that you don't even know what the issues are.

Now, you're finding a way to complain about people doing charity work, but let's set that aside for the moment. Let's look at this:

But instead, they choose to believe that their all-loving god allowed certain individuals to live an absolutely horrible life so that they could be the hero and go help them, which would make them "good people", and by doing good things I guess they believe that's their ticket to heaven.

XilePrincess

Who's "they"? This is what "church people" believe, that is, people worldwide who attend religious services? Exactly which group are you criticizing here? Do you even know?

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I didn't even specify Christianity on purpose.Palantas

I took "church people" to mean people who attend religious services. If you don't want to limit it to Christianity, then your generalizations include even more people and are that much more unfounded. It's not that you've actually studied these ideas and rejected them; it's painfully obvious that you don't even know what the issues are.

Now, you're finding a way to complain about people doing charity work, but let's set that aside for the moment. Let's look at this:

But instead, they choose to believe that their all-loving god allowed certain individuals to live an absolutely horrible life so that they could be the hero and go help them, which would make them "good people", and by doing good things I guess they believe that's their ticket to heaven.

XilePrincess

Who's "they"? This is what "church people" believe, that is, people worldwide who attend religious services? Exactly which group are you criticizing here? Do you even know?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I don't really volunteer and do things I don't want to because my church tells me to. For me there is definitely a connection between doing "good deeds" and having a really good feeling after. I think I might have read into your post a little too much. So I apologize if I misunderstood.

[QUOTE="Palantas"] .... XilePrincess

"But I'm sure all the people who have to live in some aids-stricken, barren village aren't really cool with the fact that they have to live like that so somebody else can go to heaven for helping them out a bit." Really now? They're poor so other people can help them and go to heaven? DivergeUnify

Charity work is REQUIRED to go into Heaven? :o

And there is poverty because God chose it to be so? :o

I'm learning new things today.

Believe it or not, alot of people do Charity work because they genuinely care about people. Hard to believe right?

I've encountered both sides of the situation (those who say it are, and those who say it most definitely are not). So I can't say that is a sound generalization.

I'm unsure how we got off onto this crap about charity work anyway, the original point was that it was hypocritical to judge somebody while telling them not to judge others. I'm sure you can find an argument for that, though.XilePrincess

We got onto charity work due to these comments:

Not to turn this into a religious debate or anything, but I've never understood why people are A-OK with the fact that apparently, their Jesus is making people suffer, so they can go help them on his behalf, when they never would have had to help them had Jesus just been a bro about the whole thing and not made them suffer in the first place. I mean yeah helping out the less fortunate is in the bible or whatever, isn't it? But I'm sure all the people who have to live in some aids-stricken, barren village aren't really cool with the fact that they have to live like that so somebody else can go to heaven for helping them out a bit.

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These are a whole slew of theological concepts that you're either simplifying or ignoring here. I find it hard to believe you'vegiven these issues any more serious time in your thinking than was necessary to type out this post. I also don't know how you're not referencing Christianity when you mention Jesus, but whatever. I skipped over this initially, as your generalization about "church people" was an easier error to tackle than all this. Speaking of that:

"They" are people who believe that they should help others to please their god.XilePrincess

So, you don't really know who you're disagreeing with. Just that there's some indefinable group of people out there somewhere that are wrong?

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

YellowOneKinobi

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] No, no I don't. Oh wait, I am completely wrong, the great irony involved means what you say must be true.:roll:MetalGear_Ninty

Everybody judges people as soon as they meet them in their mind 99.9% of people cant not judge some1, however theres a vast difference between judging some1 as a negative person and acting on your judgements and treating them that way.

I tend not to act on my judgements unless they do something.

Overall every1 judges and the people who say you shouldnt i have found are the most judgemental of all.

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

YellowOneKinobi

Typically yes.

I try not to judge people but I know I'm guilty of it sometimes.

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Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?

MystikFollower

Does anybody have the impression that people who say "you should't judge people," they are typically the most judgemental people out there?