Where do you stand on Abortion?

Okay so I'm doing this project in my biology II class and I need a somestatistic. the topic is Fetus Rights and we're concentration onAbortion. I'm lookingat it from a sociologist's point of view so I want to know where you stand GS. Yay or Nay on Abortion? please vote in the poll. Thanks!

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I really have no opinion, although if it were banned, I would probably rejoice in my head.

I think its a necessary evil, until the social problems which cause (indirectly of course) unwanted pregnancies and are responsible for the immaturity both on sexual and emotional level of many adults, have been dealt with at some degree.

Examples: A lacking educational system bound by social taboos, insecure about their children's sexuality parents etc etc

I picked pro life; it sounds cool to be a pro at life. No, serious, abortion is bad.

I think its a necessary evil, until the social problems which cause (indirectly of course) unwanted pregnancies and are responsible for the immaturity both on sexual and emotional level of many adults, have been dealt with at some degree.

Examples: A lacking educational system bound by social taboos, insecure about their children's sexuality parents etc etc

Teenaged

Saying something is "a necessary evil" is a VERY bad road to take. You could say torturing American citizens that are suspected terrorists is a "necessary evil" for the greater good. If you think that way, you can basically rationalize anything. The end is not justified by the means. Stalin and Hitler used this very idea to rationalize the murder of millions of people, because they believed that in the end, their country would be a better place without certain people in it.

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I think its a necessary evil, until the social problems which cause (indirectly of course) unwanted pregnancies and are responsible for the immaturity both on sexual and emotional level of many adults, have been dealt with at some degree.

Examples: A lacking educational system bound by social taboos, insecure about their children's sexuality parents etc etc

Phantom_--

Saying something is "a necessary evil" is a VERY bad road to take. You could say torturing American citizens that are suspected terrorists is a "necessary evil" for the greater good. If you think that way, you can basically rationalize anything. The end is not justified by the means. Stalin and Hitler used this very idea to rationalize the murder of millions of people, because they believed that in the end, their country would be a better place without certain people in it.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I think its a necessary evil, until the social problems which cause (indirectly of course) unwanted pregnancies and are responsible for the immaturity both on sexual and emotional level of many adults, have been dealt with at some degree.

Examples: A lacking educational system bound by social taboos, insecure about their children's sexuality parents etc etc

inoperativeRS

Saying something is "a necessary evil" is a VERY bad road to take. You could say torturing American citizens that are suspected terrorists is a "necessary evil" for the greater good. If you think that way, you can basically rationalize anything. The end is not justified by the means. Stalin and Hitler used this very idea to rationalize the murder of millions of people, because they believed that in the end, their country would be a better place without certain people in it.

It's one thing if you can't take care of the child, but to not even give it a chance to live is just selfish. There's always adoption agencies.

It's one thing if you can't take care of the child, but to not even give it a chance to live is just selfish. There's always adoption agencies.

jubino

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It's one thing if you can't take care of the child, but to not even give it a chance to live is just selfish. There's always adoption agencies.

escapeoftheape

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I think its a necessary evil, until the social problems which cause (indirectly of course) unwanted pregnancies and are responsible for the immaturity both on sexual and emotional level of many adults, have been dealt with at some degree.

Examples: A lacking educational system bound by social taboos, insecure about their children's sexuality parents etc etc

Phantom_--

Saying something is "a necessary evil" is a VERY bad road to take. You could say torturing American citizens that are suspected terrorists is a "necessary evil" for the greater good. If you think that way, you can basically rationalize anything. The end is not justified by the means. Stalin and Hitler used this very idea to rationalize the murder of millions of people, because they believed that in the end, their country would be a better place without certain people in it.

The point is that I wouldnt condemn a woman (or if she is with a man as a couple) to keep the child despite her (/them) not wanting to, which would create an unhealthy family environment.

I am all for any other rational proposed alternative. I have stated before and sorry I didnt take the time to add it, that I am all for an organisation that would be there to "take" the babies from mothers who had unwanted pregnancy (anonymously of course) and "give" those babies for adoption. I think this is the best soltuion for now. But as much as you have seen such a feat even being attempted that much have I.

The point is that I am all for avoiding abortion, but if we are to do that we might as well first try to create suitable conditions. Those conditions include the examples I gave in my first post and what I mentioned this previous paragraph.

Have any of you read this book called Freakonomics? In it, the authors demonstrate thruogh a rather plausible theory how legalizing abortion helps reduce the crime rate. They prove that legalizing abortion reduces the general pool of criminals (reduces the amount of uneducated kids who can't get decent jobs and have to settle with crime), and thus reducing the crime rate as whole. The guys who voted for pro-life should probably check that book out. Apart from the whole abortion thing, the book features a lot more awesome stuff, it's definately worth reading.

I'm pro-choice. If abortion was illegal then I think women would still have them but it would be in 'back-street clinics' meaning potentially dangerous and life-threatening treatment from dodgy doctors. I do however think that anyone who wants an abortion should have to have counselling not just to deal with the emotional aftermath and guilt from an abortion but also to educate the women on other choices such as carrying the child to full-term and giving it up for adoption, also the women (and their partners) should be made to attend some kind of sex education class to learn about contreception so that this never happens again.

I'm pro-life. I despise abortion.

[QUOTE="harashawn"] Murder is never right; no matter who is being murdered. Funky_Llama

Hitler may well have murdered several thousand people who would have turned out worse than him. :|

So murdering Hitler so the Holocaust wouldn't happen, thus saving millions of innocent lives, would be wrong?Funky_Llama

I'm all for abortion. If the kids aren't wanted, or can't be cared for, then I don't see any reason why people would force them to be born into relateively terrible/worse-off lives.

*edit* What about a fetus that is going to receive a genetic disabity? I'd argue that it would be far more 'good' to abort it and try to create a healthier fetus, rather than letting it be born and making it (and its parents) live through the countless physical, psychological, and economic hardships associated with such disabilities.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Murder is never right; no matter who is being murdered. Theokhoth

Hitler may well have murdered several thousand people who would have turned out worse than him. :|

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]So murdering Hitler so the Holocaust wouldn't happen, thus saving millions of innocent lives, would be wrong?Funky_Llama

Hitler may well have murdered several thousand people who would have turned out worse than him. :|

So if he murdered thousands that would have been worse than him, and millions that would have been better, he killed millions but saved hundreds of millions.:|

This is why going "Well, if this happened instead of that, things would be better" is an invalid statement. . . .

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Hitler may well have murdered several thousand people who would have turned out worse than him. :|

Theokhoth

So if he murdered thousands that would have been worse than him, and millions that would have been better, he killed millions but saved hundreds of millions.:|

This is why going "Well, if this happened instead of that, things would be better" is an invalid statement. . . .

I'm all for abortion. If the kids aren't wanted, or can't be cared for, then I don't see any reason why people would force them to be born into relateively terrible/worse-off lives.

Planeforger

*edit* What about a fetus that is going to receive a genetic disabity? I'd argue that it would be far more 'good' to abort it and try to create a healthier fetus, rather than letting it be born and making it (and its parents) live through the countless physical, psychological, and economic hardships associated with such disabilities.

Planeforger

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And millions upon millions who would have turned out better.Funky_Llama

So if he murdered thousands that would have been worse than him, and millions that would have been better, he killed millions but saved hundreds of millions.:|

This is why going "Well, if this happened instead of that, things would be better" is an invalid statement. . . .

And yet, Hitler existed. ;)

Sperm and oocytes are considered parts of human beings. However, upon fertilization, these cease to be sperm and occytes; instead, it is a genetically unique individual. [QUOTE="Planeforger"]

I'm all for abortion. If the kids aren't wanted, or can't be cared for, then I don't see any reason why people would force them to be born into relateively terrible/worse-off lives.

Genetic_Code

Hell, they don't even need to do that. Leave the kid at the hospital; most states allow that now.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

So if he murdered thousands that would have been worse than him, and millions that would have been better, he killed millions but saved hundreds of millions.:|

This is why going "Well, if this happened instead of that, things would be better" is an invalid statement. . . .

Theokhoth

And yet, Hitler existed. ;)

I am for abortion.