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#1 BlizzardBear
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As of now, I can play a ot of chords and few solos that are kinda weak. I would like to learn how to really learn how to play guitar well because I would like to begin a band with my friends. Any recommendations?

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Practice, practice, and some more practice...seriously

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When I began I just kept playing songs and stuff that I liked. Then I got into scales and all that. But practice is key. It is necessary if you ever want to be great one day.

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#4 Ceneb
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Practice is your best bet.

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90% of the guitar is practice. Study music theory, scales with chord shapes. Memorize the fret board so you can play in key while you solo. All that fun stuff.

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#6 BlizzardBear
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are there anywebsites to help out in teaching me?

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#7 BeardedToddler
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Yeah Guitarjamzdot.com i think. The guy Marty Shwartz is an excellent teacher. If that isnt the site, go to Youtube.com and type his name or guitarjamz and there is a bunch of free lessons on there from licks, riffs, songs, scales, techniques, etc.

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#8 AxeStrangler
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Do yourself a favor and subscribe to this guy on Youtube, he plays guitar for Steve Vai so you can bet your ass he knows how to play.

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#9 needled24-7
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if you want to be really good, just practice the **** out of it. ultimate-guitar.com has some pretty good lessons also.

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i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(
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#11 LikeHaterade
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i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(lonewolf604

That takes years. Don't fret. Just keep practicing. Pun intended...

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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(LikeHaterade

That takes years. Don't fret. Just keep practicing. Pun intended...

It can take you less depending on how much you dedicate yourself to practice.
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#13 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(Rikardur

That takes years. Don't fret. Just keep practicing. Pun intended...

It can take you less depending on how much you dedicate yourself to practice.

For a lot of techniques on the guitar yes, but sweep picking? I'm not so sure...

It would be possible, but the practice would be intoxicating. That isn't the way practice is supposed to be, although it is for the first few months of playing. That much practice would turn most away from the guitar. You would practice so much, that you would lose all enjoyment and fulfillment in playing. Create a system that makes guitar more fun, because the more fun you're having, the more you're going to practice.

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[QUOTE="Rikardur"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

That takes years. Don't fret. Just keep practicing. Pun intended...

LikeHaterade

It can take you less depending on how much you dedicate yourself to practice.

For a lot of techniques on the guitar yes, but sweep picking? I'm not so sure...

It would be possible, but the practice would be intoxicating. That isn't the way practice is supposed to be, although it is for the first few months of playing. That much practice would turn most away from the guitar. You would practice so much, that you would lose all enjoyment and fulfillment in playing. Create a system that makes guitar more fun, because the more fun you're having, the more you're going to practice.

Very well said, and I agree. Have a routine on practicing, you dont have to practice everyday for 5 hours (you could if that's fun for you) have your own plan, and discover what makes it fun for you.

Also that link that was provided of Dave Weiner is a great beginners tool on guitar. Its not so much the rifts or practice that he gives, its more of the technique, and articulation, as well as injecting music theory into the demonstration that makes it a good learning video.

Guitar is very easy to pick up, but like any instrument, it takes dedication. If theirs any advice I could give it would be learn the correct way of playing guitar, don't pick up bad habits. And don't rely on tabs... Tabs are small guidlines to push you into the right direction, they are not music sheets and I highly don't recommend them unless you have experience and somewhat know music theory.

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Pirate Guitar Pro 5 and then learn as many songs as you can and keep on playing it the way YOU like it. It will probably be the best way and the most comfortable.
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i only can play from tabs should i learn how to play from sheet music

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youtube is my teacher

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online = waste of time. GET LESSONS.
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i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(lonewolf604

I couldn't get for some tie either but then I put a lot of focus on it on my practice for two months and i finally got it. However I do still need improvement on it to be able to sweep pick like the pros.

Maybe this might help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEWs7XGb_u0

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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(cyberdarkkid

I couldn't get for some tie either but then I put a lot of focus on it on my practice for two months and i finally got it. However I do still need improvement on it to be able to sweep pick like the pros.

Maybe this might help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEWs7XGb_u0

Im to amazed by his awesomeness to learn anything from that video

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I've said it once, I'll say it again: Online lessons don't work. They are no where near as effective as real lessons, and they are too freeform, yet too constraining at the same time. If you want to do good on guitar, real lessons are the only way.
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I've said it once, I'll say it again: Online lessons don't work. They are no where near as effective as real lessons, and they are too freeform, yet too constraining at the same time. If you want to do good on guitar, real lessons are the only way.enterawesome

The main problem with real courses is the cost. In montreal it costs between 20-30$/hour for lessons. As a student I make about 8,50/hour and I just dished out 600$ to buy a new guitar so no more money to pay for lessons.

But if you do have the money, I totally agree lessons are the best way to learn and to practice ALOT.

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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]I've said it once, I'll say it again: Online lessons don't work. They are no where near as effective as real lessons, and they are too freeform, yet too constraining at the same time. If you want to do good on guitar, real lessons are the only way.TEH_RADIO

The main problem with real courses is the cost. In montreal it costs between 20-30$/hour for lessons. As a student I make about 8,50/hour and I just dished out 600$ to buy a new guitar so no more money to pay for lessons.

But if you do have the money, I totally agree lessons are the best way to learn and to practice ALOT.

While lessons may be the best way to go, normally they are never cost-efficient. Instructors will milk lessons for months for something you should have learned in less than 2 weeks. There are excellent tutorials online, but you have to go out and look. This is the best online tutorial I have come across thus far and I highly recommend it to anyone.

http://www.justinguitar.com/

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i dunno if anyone suggested it yet but i use

www.ultimate-guitar.com

i dunno how to link so copypasta. anyways its a pretty good site, i have about 20 songs recorded and posted up there. if you head over there check me out (my names the same, z4twenny) theres lots of tabs, lessons and even video lessons

I've said it once, I'll say it again: Online lessons don't work. They are no where near as effective as real lessons, and they are too freeform, yet too constraining at the same time. If you want to do good on guitar, real lessons are the only way.enterawesome

i disagree, you can learn online. in fact some of the better guitarists on ug taught themselves for a large part. it all depends on the individual, learning with a teacher is probably all around better, but to say online lessons don't work is a flat out lie. i've just watched a couple videos over and over letting the knowledge soak into my brain and it actually ended up changing my playing for the better.... in other words, don't listen to enterawesome

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Very well said, and I agree. Have a routine on practicing, you dont have to practice everyday for 5 hours (you could if that's fun for you) have your own plan, and discover what makes it fun for you.

Also that link that was provided of Dave Weiner is a great beginners tool on guitar. Its not so much the rifts or practice that he gives, its more of the technique, and articulation, as well as injecting music theory into the demonstration that makes it a good learning video.

Guitar is very easy to pick up, but like any instrument, it takes dedication. If theirs any advice I could give it would be learn the correct way of playing guitar, don't pick up bad habits. And don't rely on tabs... Tabs are small guidlines to push you into the right direction, they are not music sheets and I highly don't recommend them unless you have experience and somewhat know music theory.

mexicangordo

Pick up a guitar for at least 5 minutes every day and it all helps. Practice your basic chord shapes on the guitar while you're watching a movie. I've found that sitting in a chair with a guitar and nothing else going on is not a good way to go in the beginner phase. When I first started learning, I brought an acoustic guitar with me, practically everywhere I went. My mom and sister were tired of hearing me play the same few chords over and over, and as I got better at those chords, I learned new ones. Eventually, I got to the point where my mom and sister asked me to play. :P

As gordo said, it takes dedication. Try to find some kind of method of practicing where it isn't miserable.

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#26 LikeHaterade
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i dunno if anyone suggested it yet but i use

www.ultimate-guitar.com

i dunno how to link so copypasta. anyways its a pretty good site, i have about 20 songs recorded and posted up there. if you head over there check me out (my names the same, z4twenny) theres lots of tabs, lessons and even video lessons

z4twenny

I use that site for tabs/guitar pro downloads.

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#27 z4twenny
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^ theres lots more to it than that. theres pretty good video lessons that are more suited for the "beginner or intermediate" player. theres even some lessons on shredding but thats a different story.

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While lessons may be the best way to go, normally they are never cost-efficient. Instructors will milk lessons for months for something you should have learned in less than 2 weeks. There are excellent tutorials online, but you have to go out and look. This is the best online tutorial I have come across thus far and I highly recommend it to anyone.

http://www.justinguitar.com/

LikeHaterade

That's not the way it works if you have a competent instructor. If it's something you should have learned in two weeks, chances are the reason you're still working on it after months has nothing to do with your instructor and everything to do with how little you're practicing. An instructor tells you how to practice properly, evaluates your progress, observes you to watch/listen for the development of bad habits, and helps you with your understanding of both your instrument and of music in general. But he/she can't practice for you.

I will not allow a student to play music which is beyond his/her technical abilities. It just stunts the student's growth in the long run. If that means I'm "milking" my students (or was milked in my own studies), so be it. I couldn't claim to be doing my job if I let them cut corners and develop bad habits in the name of fast "progress" (and I do use that term loosely)!

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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]I've said it once, I'll say it again: Online lessons don't work. They are no where near as effective as real lessons, and they are too freeform, yet too constraining at the same time. If you want to do good on guitar, real lessons are the only way.z4twenny

i disagree, you can learn online. in fact some of the better guitarists on ug taught themselves for a large part. it all depends on the individual, learning with a teacher is probably all around better, but to say online lessons don't work is a flat out lie. i've just watched a couple videos over and over letting the knowledge soak into my brain and it actually ended up changing my playing for the better.... in other words, don't listen to enterawesome

Uh huh - and where do they stack up in the grand scheme of things when it comes to technical control of an instrument? There's a simple truth that no one want to believe about learning an instrument - it isn't easy, and though you can teach yourself, it is the least efficient means of doing so, and provides you the smallest chance of eventual success. Everybody points to those few instances of self-taught musicians who reached a professional level of playing, ignoring the thousands of cases for each one where the person eventually gave up on it, or where they never reached their full potential. Compare that to those who take private lessons, and the rate of attrition is far less - as evidenced by the entire cIassical music community, in which just about every single professional performer undertook rigorous private training.

If you want to play as a popular music amateur, by all means save your money. If you want to go further than that, the odds are HEAVILY stacked against you if you seek to do it on your own.

So in other words, DO listen to enterawesome. He's correct. And if you think about the logic of trying to mass-instruct people in a subject area which is highly personal and specialized, you'll see it's a no-brainer. When has it EVER been more effective to teach a mass of people with a fixed curriculum than it is to teach students one-on-one with a personally tailored approach?

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That's not the way it works if you have a competent instructor. If it's something you should have learned in two weeks, chances are the reason you're still working on it after months has nothing to do with your instructor and everything to do with how little you're practicing. An instructor tells you how to practice properly, evaluates your progress, observes you to watch/listen for the development of bad habits, and helps you with your understanding of both your instrument and of music in general. But he/she can't practice for you.

I will not allow a student to play music which is beyond his/her technical abilities. It just stunts the student's growth in the long run. If that means I'm "milking" my students (or was milked in my own studies), so be it. I couldn't claim to be doing my job if I let them cut corners and develop bad habits in the name of fast "progress" (and I do use that term loosely)!

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Many guitar instructors in my area charge a pretty penny for a one-hour lesson, once a week. The guitar is a difficult instrument to learn. Normally, guitar instructors do not take you sporadically throughout a few months, or when you have decided that you have perhaps learned to properly play a few specific chords correctly and at a good speed; and normally you don't master basic techniques on the guitar in a matter of weeks.

The reason I say "sporadically" is because the learning process for the guitar is different for everyone, and many, mainly depending on the amount of time one practices, master techniques quicker than others. When you rely solely on an instructor that I'm referring to, it is possible the instructor will give you very little information in a "learning session" while your busy practicing a previous technique. A.k.a. "milking." Please keep in mind I'm not referring to every instructor.

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Uh huh - and where do they stack up in the grand scheme of things when it comes to technical control of an instrument? There's a simple truth that no one want to believe about learning an instrument - it isn't easy, and though you can teach yourself, it is the least efficient means of doing so, and provides you the smallest chance of eventual success. Everybody points to those few instances of self-taught musicians who reached a professional level of playing, ignoring the thousands of cases for each one where the person eventually gave up on it, or where they never reached their full potential. Compare that to those who take private lessons, and the rate of attrition is far less - as evidenced by the entire cIassical music community, in which just about every single professional performer undertook rigorous private training.

If you want to play as a popular music amateur, by all means save your money. If you want to go further than that, the odds are HEAVILY stacked against you if you seek to do it on your own.

So in other words, DO listen to enterawesome. He's correct. And if you think about the logic of trying to mass-instruct people in a subject area which is highly personal and specialized, you'll see it's a no-brainer. When has it EVER been more effective to teach a mass of people with a fixed curriculum than it is to teach students one-on-one with a personally tailored approach?

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Or how about the many students that dropped out of musical school or lessons? I am self-taught myself, and haven't developed any bad habits on the guitar. There are reliable sources on the internet to learn the guitar, without developing bad habits and not needing to spend money on lessons; legitimate or not. Would I recommend a professional guitar instructor? Absolutely. Is it a necessity? Absolutely not.

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Many guitar instructors in my area charge a pretty penny for a one-hour lesson, once a week. The guitar is a difficult instrument to learn. Normally, guitar instructors do not take you sporadically throughout a few months, or when you have decided that you have perhaps learned to properly play a few specific chords correctly and at a good speed; and normally you don't master basic techniques on the guitar in a matter of weeks.

The reason I say "sporadically" is because the learning process for the guitar is different for everyone, and many, mainly depending on the amount of time one practices, master techniques quicker than others. When you rely solely on an instructor that I'm referring to, it is possible the instructor will give you very little information in a "learning session" while your busy practicing a previous technique. A.k.a. "milking." Please keep in mind I'm not referring to every instructor.

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Well, if they're good instructors, they should charge a pretty penny. They're professionals, and they need to be treated as such. If you're going to make the commitment to become a great musician, you need to pay for it, just like anything else.

Except in cases of significant musical gifting, it is essentially impossible for a person to attend one lesson to learn a complex technique, then go away for weeks to practice it and come back being able to play it flawlessly. If it were that simple, we could design music curriculums like math classes. The reason you come to those intervening weeks of lessons is to evaluate your progress and to correct the inevitable problems that crop up when an unexperienced person begins practicing a new technique. It's the observation that is the key, and that, in addition to the personalized approach, is what you don't get in online lessons. Ironically, that is by far the most important part of a music lesson, because as you correctly state, every student is different, and guitar (or any instrument) is difficult to learn.

Milking implies that an instructor purposefully holds back a student to derive the maximum financial gain from teaching a single technique. I don't know of any instructor who'd want to do that when the alternative is to learn more interesting music with the student.

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Well, if they're good instructors, they should charge a pretty penny. They're professionals, and they need to be treated as such. If you're going to make the commitment to become a great musician, you need to pay for it, just like anything else.

Except in cases of significant musical gifting, it is essentially impossible for a person to attend one lesson to learn a complex technique, then go away for weeks to practice it and come back being able to play it flawlessly. If it were that simple, we could design music curriculums like math classes. The reason you come to those intervening weeks of lessons is to evaluate your progress and to correct the inevitable problems that crop up when an unexperienced person begins practicing a new technique. It's the observation that is the key, and that, in addition to the personalized approach, is what you don't get in online lessons. Ironically, that is by far the most important part of a music lesson, because as you correctly state, every student is different, and guitar (or any instrument) is difficult to learn.

Milking implies that an instructor purposefully holds back a student to derive the maximum financial gain from teaching a single technique. I don't know of any instructor who'd want to do that when the alternative is to learn more interesting music with the student.

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Absolutely, but I'm not referring to professional instructors. However, it all depends on what the technique is. I know you are a piano virtuoso, so you obviously know much about the guitar; so lets say an instructor teaches you the G and C chords, and how about the major scale. Would you say that it is necessary for a student to go back once a week to the instructor and pay a fee so that they may revise? I honestly do not believe so, simply because those are easy to remember how to do, it's just getting your fingers used to something that they're not used to doing. It would take someone at least 4 months to properly play those, and interchange between the two. Is a lesson, once a week for 4 months necessary for that? No. I do agree on more lessons if we're talking about sweeping arpeggios or something far more advanced.

EDIT: The instructors I'm referring to are those specifically that have you come in, and pay a fee for 4 weeks out of the month for as long as it takes you to learn a technique, which on the guitar is normally a considerable amount of time.

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[QUOTE="pianist"]

Well, if they're good instructors, they should charge a pretty penny. They're professionals, and they need to be treated as such. If you're going to make the commitment to become a great musician, you need to pay for it, just like anything else.

Except in cases of significant musical gifting, it is essentially impossible for a person to attend one lesson to learn a complex technique, then go away for weeks to practice it and come back being able to play it flawlessly. If it were that simple, we could design music curriculums like math classes. The reason you come to those intervening weeks of lessons is to evaluate your progress and to correct the inevitable problems that crop up when an unexperienced person begins practicing a new technique. It's the observation that is the key, and that, in addition to the personalized approach, is what you don't get in online lessons. Ironically, that is by far the most important part of a music lesson, because as you correctly state, every student is different, and guitar (or any instrument) is difficult to learn.

Milking implies that an instructor purposefully holds back a student to derive the maximum financial gain from teaching a single technique. I don't know of any instructor who'd want to do that when the alternative is to learn more interesting music with the student.

LikeHaterade

Absolutely, but I'm not referring to professional instructors. However, it all depends on what the technique is. I know you are a piano virtuoso, so you obviously know much about the guitar; so lets say an instructor teaches you the G and C chords, and how about the major scale. Would you say that it is necessary for a student to go back once a week to the instructor and pay a fee so that they may revise? I honestly do not believe so, simply because those are easy to remember how to do, it's just getting your fingers used to something that they're not used to doing. It would take someone at least 4 months to properly play those, and interchange between the two. Is a lesson, once a week for 4 months necessary for that? No. I do agree on more lessons if we're talking about sweeping arpeggios or something far more advanced.

EDIT: The instructors I'm referring to are those specifically that have you come in, and pay a fee for 4 weeks out of the month for as long as it takes you to learn a technique, which on the guitar is normally a considerable amount of time.

I'll get back to you on this... I have to go work now!

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I'll get back to you on this... I have to go work now!

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Absolutely, but I'm not referring to professional instructors. However, it all depends on what the technique is. I know you are a piano virtuoso, so you obviously know much about the guitar; so lets say an instructor teaches you the G and C chords, and how about the major scale. Would you say that it is necessary for a student to go back once a week to the instructor and pay a fee so that they may revise? I honestly do not believe so, simply because those are easy to remember how to do, it's just getting your fingers used to something that they're not used to doing. It would take someone at least 4 months to properly play those, and interchange between the two. Is a lesson, once a week for 4 months necessary for that? No. I do agree on more lessons if we're talking about sweeping arpeggios or something far more advanced.

EDIT: The instructors I'm referring to are those specifically that have you come in, and pay a fee for 4 weeks out of the month for as long as it takes you to learn a technique, which on the guitar is normally a considerable amount of time.

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Apologies for the delay... but better late than never, right? :P

Showing a student what to do is only part of an instructor's job. Sure, you show the student how to play the G and C chords and a major scale, but the more important part of the job is teaching HOW to do it the best way from a physical standpoint, and then acting as a second set of eyes and ears to guide the student to mastery of the technique. It's not enough to be able to find the right notes for a G major chord and then move to find a C major chord. You have to do it in the most efficient way to develop speed and control, and to avoid injury in the long term.

In most cases, you can learn to play technically undemanding music in spite of sloppy technique. But this doesn't mean you have good technique, and you'll eventually reach barriers that your technique will not allow you to transcend, no matter how much you try to force the issue. Referring to piano, something as seemingly simple as keeping your thumb low to the keys as you cross or positioning your hand properly to play a black key with the thumb without twisting the wrist renders simple technical patterns uncontrollable for students beyond moderate tempos. I can tell you from experience that playing piano in the most efficient way is NOT the natural inclination for the vast majority of players, nor is it their natural inclination to question themselves about it or reflect upon it during practice. All they care about is trying to hit the right notes - there's little to no consideration for how you get there unless you're specifically paying attention to it because your teacher told you to pay attention to it. I have no reason to believe it's a different situation with any other instrument.

So then you get people selling or otherwise providing online lessons that are supposed to show students the most efficient way to play. Hey, that's great - except you have no one to watch you and make sure you are actually doing it properly, instead of just thinking you're doing it properly. Want to take a guess at which I encounter with alarming regularity in my teaching? Frequent observation is necessary during technical development because practice doesn't make perfect, it just makes habit. Habits are not always good. In fact, they're usually just the opposite and students don't even notice, because they have practiced enough hours to make bad habits feel natural. They only start to notice them if their technical inadequacies are drawn to their attention. Or for the unsupervised, they notice the symptoms of bad habits - like stagnating progress or perhaps pain during practicing.

If your teacher doesn't address the "how" of playing, he/she isn't worth your money. Good teachers don't just show you which notes are in a scale and tell you "go learn that for next week." They address the physical difficulties that are involved in playing that scale. You can learn the notes easily on your own - but can you learn the best way to play them? Maybe. But it's a much quicker process if you get tutelage from someone who already knows how to do it well. As for whether it's necessary, that depends on your goals. If you want to play at a professional standard, you should get lessons. If you're satisfied with just mucking around and picking out a few tunes you like, you can save your money. Anyone can learn to muck around on his/her own time.

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#38 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Absolutely, but I'm not referring to professional instructors. However, it all depends on what the technique is. I know you are a piano virtuoso, so you obviously know much about the guitar; so lets say an instructor teaches you the G and C chords, and how about the major scale. Would you say that it is necessary for a student to go back once a week to the instructor and pay a fee so that they may revise? I honestly do not believe so, simply because those are easy to remember how to do, it's just getting your fingers used to something that they're not used to doing. It would take someone at least 4 months to properly play those, and interchange between the two. Is a lesson, once a week for 4 months necessary for that? No. I do agree on more lessons if we're talking about sweeping arpeggios or something far more advanced.

EDIT: The instructors I'm referring to are those specifically that have you come in, and pay a fee for 4 weeks out of the month for as long as it takes you to learn a technique, which on the guitar is normally a considerable amount of time.

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Apologies for the delay... but better late than never, right? :P

Showing a student what to do is only part of an instructor's job. Sure, you show the student how to play the G and C chords and a major scale, but the more important part of the job is teaching HOW to do it the best way from a physical standpoint, and then acting as a second set of eyes and ears to guide the student to mastery of the technique. It's not enough to be able to find the right notes for a G major chord and then move to find a C major chord. You have to do it in the most efficient way to develop speed and control, and to avoid injury in the long term.

In most cases, you can learn to play technically undemanding music in spite of sloppy technique. But this doesn't mean you have good technique, and you'll eventually reach barriers that your technique will not allow you to transcend, no matter how much you try to force the issue. Referring to piano, something as seemingly simple as keeping your thumb low to the keys as you cross or positioning your hand properly to play a black key with the thumb without twisting the wrist renders simple technical patterns uncontrollable for students beyond moderate tempos. I can tell you from experience that playing piano in the most efficient way is NOT the natural inclination for the vast majority of players, nor is it their natural inclination to question themselves about it or reflect upon it during practice. All they care about is trying to hit the right notes - there's little to no consideration for how you get there unless you're specifically paying attention to it because your teacher told you to pay attention to it. I have no reason to believe it's a different situation with any other instrument.

So then you get people selling or otherwise providing online lessons that are supposed to show students the most efficient way to play. Hey, that's great - except you have no one to watch you and make sure you are actually doing it properly, instead of just thinking you're doing it properly. Want to take a guess at which I encounter with alarming regularity in my teaching? Frequent observation is necessary during technical development because practice doesn't make perfect, it just makes habit. Habits are not always good. In fact, they're usually just the opposite and students don't even notice, because they have practiced enough hours to make bad habits feel natural. They only start to notice them if their technical inadequacies are drawn to their attention. Or for the unsupervised, they notice the symptoms of bad habits - like stagnating progress or perhaps pain during practicing.

If your teacher doesn't address the "how" of playing, he/she isn't worth your money. Good teachers don't just show you which notes are in a scale and tell you "go learn that for next week." They address the physical difficulties that are involved in playing that scale. You can learn the notes easily on your own - but can you learn the best way to play them? Maybe. But it's a much quicker process if you get tutelage from someone who already knows how to do it well. As for whether it's necessary, that depends on your goals. If you want to play at a professional standard, you should get lessons. If you're satisfied with just mucking around and picking out a few tunes you like, you can save your money. Anyone can learn to muck around on his/her own time.

I see your point. Sorry that's all I have to say to your long and in-depth response. =/

*goes back to listening to Ballade in G Minor*(The link worked!)

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#39 pianist
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Or how about the many students that dropped out of musical school or lessons? I am self-taught myself, and haven't developed any bad habits on the guitar. There are reliable sources on the internet to learn the guitar, without developing bad habits and not needing to spend money on lessons; legitimate or not. Would I recommend a professional guitar instructor? Absolutely. Is it a necessity? Absolutely not.

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Students only rarely drop out of lessons with competent instructors, and it has nothing to do with the quality of instruction. It usually has to do with money, or more frequently an unwillingness to do the work that's necessary to become a good musician. If someone thinks TV is more important than practicing, I can't wave a magic wand and reduce his/her practicing requirements to 2 hours/week - much as some people wish. I have only had a couple of students terminate their lessons prematurely in the course of my teaching career, and it always had to do with one of those two things - unwillingness to make sacrifices for practice, or going to someone cheaper.

Of course, I shouldn't have to point out that a person who quits lessons with a competent instructor probably isn't going to do any better on their own, since it's much easier to learn to play well with proper instruction than it is without. If you don't have the motivation to practice, you're still going nowhere with the instrument - it'll just take you longer to figure out why.

As for your habits, I wouldn't know. It IS possible that you have been very careful in your practice and have a solid technique, but I offer this cautionary advice - if you have bad habits in your playing, you probably won't recognize them! Happens to me all the time when I'm teaching new students who started with self-study...

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#40 pianist
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I see your point. Sorry that's all I have to say to your long and in-depth response. =/

*goes back to listening to Ballade in G Minor*(The link worked!)

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Glad to hear it! 'Cause I really didn't want to go upload them somewhere else. It was a big enough pain the first time. :D

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Go practice instead of arguing :P

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For learning guitar, your willingness to learn, commitment to practice and some first-class guitar tips and instruction is needed. Also You tube is a good tutorial for this.. after all video learning is the fastest way to learn anything. Good Luck.
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]i've tried sweep picking but can never get it right :(cyberdarkkid

I couldn't get for some tie either but then I put a lot of focus on it on my practice for two months and i finally got it. However I do still need improvement on it to be able to sweep pick like the pros.

Maybe this might help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEWs7XGb_u0

That was great.