And please specify which part and if you want country.
Me, Western Europe, UK to be precise.
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as I'm from the UK i have to say western Europe but you will never hear me call myself European it sickens me to the core .
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Manchester, UK. I don't like being called European.
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What do you want to be called?
English. :P
ok. I'll call you an imperialist Brit then.
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What do you want to be called?
taj7575
English. :P
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.[QUOTE="taj7575"][QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]
English. :P
GulliversTravel
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.Yeah, that is a problem with Britan. The history is pretty interesting, but not as deep and proud as other countries. There is a little bit of Nationalism going on now also because some Brits feel Britan is not the way it used to be, and apparently thats someone elses fault. They also look at Britan's proud past, and wonder where that has gone.
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="taj7575"]
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
taj7575
Yeah, that is a problem with Britan. The history is pretty interesting, but not as deep and proud as other countries. There is a little bit of Nationalism going on now also because some Brits feel Britan is not the way it used to be, and apparently thats someone elses fault. They also look at Britan's proud past, and wonder where that has gone.
But look at it now, too many immigrants have priority of getting a house than an actual British person, they have a better chance at getting jobs because of "rights".. British jobs for British people, it's getting annoying how non-brits get a better chance. If I had the chance I would move out of the country.
[QUOTE="taj7575"][QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]
English. :P
GulliversTravel
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.I never considered Britain a part of Europe really, largely because nobody else in England really thought of it that way either until maybe ten years ago.
During my studies I made the mistake of calling a Canadian American - a point he got incredibly indignant over. I tried to get myself out of my lapse of memory by reminding him that Canada is technically a part of America. He grew even more irate and compared it to an American calling me European. I guess it's not something I'd get upset over, but it still feels like an awkward label.
I still think of myself of English, and although I'm not at all nationalistic, the idea of a United States of Europe makes me a little queasy, while titles like The UK or Britain also aren't how I'd refer to my home. I know a lot of Welsh people feel the same, particularly when foreigners don't even recognise that Wales is actually a country in it's own right, with its own language and distinct cultural history.
And it gets really confusing when you try to understand the structure of England, Britain and the UK; I mean, how can you havea country within a country? It makes no sense.
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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.CBR600-RR
Yeah, that is a problem with Britan. The history is pretty interesting, but not as deep and proud as other countries. There is a little bit of Nationalism going on now also because some Brits feel Britan is not the way it used to be, and apparently thats someone elses fault. They also look at Britan's proud past, and wonder where that has gone.
But look at it now, too many immigrants have priority of getting a house than an actual British person, they have a better chance at getting jobs because of "rights".. British jobs for British people, it's getting annoying how non-brits get a better chance. If I had the chance I would move out of the country.
What "rights" do you mean? What if the immigrants just work harder to get to that position? You can't blame them for that :?
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="taj7575"]
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
taj7575
Yeah, that is a problem with Britan. The history is pretty interesting, but not as deep and proud as other countries. There is a little bit of Nationalism going on now also because some Brits feel Britan is not the way it used to be, and apparently thats someone elses fault. They also look at Britan's proud past, and wonder where that has gone.
from my prospective Nationalism in Britain is more to do with are spineless government selling us out to the EU without giving us are referendum and the only reason they wont is because they know we will vote to leave this fascist experiment they call the EU it truly sadness me that there are some in Britain who are brainwashed by EU propaganda of wealth and prosperity .
Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="taj7575"]
Well, duh. We're talking about your continent though, and you are in Europe.
jimmyjammer69
I never considered Britain a part of Europe really, largely because nobody else in England really thought of it that way either until maybe ten years ago.
During my studies I made the mistake of calling a Canadian American
I still think of myself of English, and although I'm not at all nationalistic, the idea of a United States of Europe makes me a little queasy, while titles like The UK or Britain also aren't how I'd refer to my home. I know a lot of Welsh people feel the same, particularly when foreigners don't even recognise that Wales is actually a country in it's own right, with its own language and distinct cultural history.
And it gets really confusing when you try to understand the structure of England, Britain and the UK; I mean, how can you havea country within a country? It makes no sense.
Canadian American?!?! HOW can you not tell apart Canada from the States? It is a very obvious difference.
The problem with the UK is the three countries that it looks like states, not different countries. If you look at maps, it has England, Scotland, and Wales are mixed together.
You are not a country within a country. You are an Island with 3 countries in it. Besides, the "United Kingdom" also consists of Northern Ireland, which is away from the "Island".
What "rights" do you mean? What if the immigrants just work harder to get to that position? You can't blame them for that :?
taj7575
Well, say I wanted to join the police and so did a Polish guy (loads of Polish in UK) and we were both at the same skill level and such, he would have a better chance because we are not allowed to discriminate. If I got in, the guy would most likely got them done for discrimination, it happens all the time over here.
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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Ive never experienced this in the UK, i mean in general we like Americans say 'Im going to Europe' or whatever. I dont know, cultural in Britain is almost non-existent, unlike France and Germany, where even villages hold onto some heritage. However nationalism has started to creep in into the UK recently, which is quite worrying. Loving your country is one thing but nationalism is something quite different.taj7575
I never considered Britain a part of Europe really, largely because nobody else in England really thought of it that way either until maybe ten years ago.
During my studies I made the mistake of calling a Canadian American
I still think of myself of English, and although I'm not at all nationalistic, the idea of a United States of Europe makes me a little queasy, while titles like The UK or Britain also aren't how I'd refer to my home. I know a lot of Welsh people feel the same, particularly when foreigners don't even recognise that Wales is actually a country in it's own right, with its own language and distinct cultural history.
And it gets really confusing when you try to understand the structure of England, Britain and the UK; I mean, how can you havea country within a country? It makes no sense.
Canadian American?!?! HOW can you not tell apart Canada from the States? It is a very obvious difference.
The problem with the UK is the three countries that it looks like states, not different countries. If you look at maps, it has England, Scotland, and Wales are mixed together.
You are not a country within a country. You are an Island with 3 countries in it. Besides, the "United Kingdom" also consists of Northern Ireland, which is away from the "Island".
This is what I mean... Canada is part of America, while US citizens have adopted the continental term as entirely theirs.The United Kingdom is referred to as an Island country, whatever that is supposed to mean. When somebody comes from outside and tries to reduce what has always been a country to the rank of statehood, it pisses off a lot of inhabitants. We're only mixed together on political maps in terms of colour, we have distinct boundaries as much as pretty much any EU country, and we carry distinct languages and a degree of governmental autonomy.
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What "rights" do you mean? What if the immigrants just work harder to get to that position? You can't blame them for that :?
CBR600-RR
Well, say I wanted to join the police and so did a Polish guy (loads of Polish in UK) and we were both at the same skill level and such, he would have a better chance because we are not allowed to discriminate. If I got in, the guy would most likely got them done for discrimination, it happens all the time over here.
I think that's media fearmongering. It's simply not the case that Poles are given priority status in England. Also, around 50% of Poles are said to have returned to Poland over the last year or so - this stuff really gets blown out of proportion by the right wing press.
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What "rights" do you mean? What if the immigrants just work harder to get to that position? You can't blame them for that :?
jimmyjammer69
Well, say I wanted to join the police and so did a Polish guy (loads of Polish in UK) and we were both at the same skill level and such, he would have a better chance because we are not allowed to discriminate. If I got in, the guy would most likely got them done for discrimination, it happens all the time over here.
I think that's media fearmongering. It's simply not the case that Poles are given priority status in England. Also, around 50% of Poles are said to have returned to Poland over the last year or so - this stuff really gets blown out of proportion by the right wing press.
50%? Wow that's quite a lot..
While I was studying Public Services at college, I did a load of assignments on discrimination and such, I would add that being female as well as having a different skin colour is pretty much a win over a white male or white female. It's just annoying in some ways.
I know it's overblown in the media way too much, but avoiding discrimination happens often still.
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]
I never considered Britain a part of Europe really, largely because nobody else in England really thought of it that way either until maybe ten years ago.
During my studies I made the mistake of calling a Canadian American
I still think of myself of English, and although I'm not at all nationalistic, the idea of a United States of Europe makes me a little queasy, while titles like The UK or Britain also aren't how I'd refer to my home. I know a lot of Welsh people feel the same, particularly when foreigners don't even recognise that Wales is actually a country in it's own right, with its own language and distinct cultural history.
And it gets really confusing when you try to understand the structure of England, Britain and the UK; I mean, how can you havea country within a country? It makes no sense.
jimmyjammer69
Canadian American?!?! HOW can you not tell apart Canada from the States? It is a very obvious difference.
The problem with the UK is the three countries that it looks like states, not different countries. If you look at maps, it has England, Scotland, and Wales are mixed together.
You are not a country within a country. You are an Island with 3 countries in it. Besides, the "United Kingdom" also consists of Northern Ireland, which is away from the "Island".
This is what I mean... Canada is part of America, while US citizens have adopted the continental term as entirely theirs.The United Kingdom is referred to as an Island country, whatever that is supposed to mean. When somebody comes from outside and tries to reduce what has always been a country to the rank of statehood, it pisses off a lot of inhabitants. We're only mixed together on political maps in terms of colour, we have distinct boundaries as much as pretty much any EU country, and we carry distinct languages and a degree of governmental autonomy.
Thats because we are the United States of America. To shorten it, we use "United States" or just "America". Canada is just Canada. Americans just has to do with the fact it's in the name of our country. Same with "Brits" or "the English". But continent wise? The United States is in North America, and England is in Europe.
Yeah, most people know that, but still, you guys are the "United Kingdom". When referring to that, then yes, you guys are basically the same. Country wise, England, Wales, Scotland, and N.I. are different.
50%? Wow that's quite a lot..
While I was studying Public Services at college, I did a load of assignments on discrimination and such, I would add that being female as well as having a different skin colour is pretty much a win over a white male or white female. It's just annoying in some ways.
I know it's overblown in the media way too much, but avoiding discrimination happens often still.CBR600-RR
Stuff like that happens every once in a while, but it's not as bad as you think.
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Well, say I wanted to join the police and so did a Polish guy (loads of Polish in UK) and we were both at the same skill level and such, he would have a better chance because we are not allowed to discriminate. If I got in, the guy would most likely got them done for discrimination, it happens all the time over here.
CBR600-RR
I think that's media fearmongering. It's simply not the case that Poles are given priority status in England. Also, around 50% of Poles are said to have returned to Poland over the last year or so - this stuff really gets blown out of proportion by the right wing press.
50%? Wow that's quite a lot..
While I was studying Public Services at college, I did a load of assignments on discrimination and such, I would add that being female as well as having a different skin colour is pretty much a win over a white male or white female. It's just annoying in some ways.
I know it's overblown in the media way too much, but avoiding discrimination happens often still.
50% was a shot in the dark because I can't remember the figure, but it was in that ballpark. I'm sure you know much better than me about the culture of positive discrimination, and sure it's a pain, but Poles have been getting the blame for something that's actually helped to stimulate the economy in some ways. I remember when builders and plumbers could charge extortionate rates simply because there was no competition... it was a very cosy racket.
For jobs where language skills are necessary (and that's pretty much every well paid job), I'm almost certain that people brought up in England will still get priority because that's what's best for the employer. The truth is that immigrants have had a really hardtime because the EU doors were opened just before an unrelated international economic crash, and now that things are rough, they are of course the first group to leave.
This is what I mean... Canada is part of America, while US citizens have adopted the continental term as entirely theirs.[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]
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Canadian American?!?! HOW can you not tell apart Canada from the States? It is a very obvious difference.
The problem with the UK is the three countries that it looks like states, not different countries. If you look at maps, it has England, Scotland, and Wales are mixed together.
You are not a country within a country. You are an Island with 3 countries in it. Besides, the "United Kingdom" also consists of Northern Ireland, which is away from the "Island".
taj7575
The United Kingdom is referred to as an Island country, whatever that is supposed to mean. When somebody comes from outside and tries to reduce what has always been a country to the rank of statehood, it pisses off a lot of inhabitants. We're only mixed together on political maps in terms of colour, we have distinct boundaries as much as pretty much any EU country, and we carry distinct languages and a degree of governmental autonomy.
Thats because we are the United States of America. To shorten it, we use "United States" or just "America". Canada is just Canada. Americans just has to do with the fact it's in the name of our country. Same with "Brits" or "the English". But continent wise? The United States is in North America, and England is in Europe.
Yeah, most people know that, but still, you guys are the "United Kingdom". When referring to that, then yes, you guys are basically the same. Country wise, England, Wales, Scotland, and N.I. are different.
That's kind of the point I'm trying to make... we're all willing to adopt, for the sake of simplicity, terms which people from other countries find condescending. It's not such a biggie, but finding your language is no lohger English (that's reserved for the US in some pc applications), but somewhere down the bottom, under UK English is just a little preparatory frustration we've got to get used to on the way to this messy geopolitical overhaul.That's kind of the point I'm trying to make... we're all willing to adopt, for the sake of simplicity, terms which people from other countries find condescending. It's not such a biggie, but finding your language is no lohger English (that's reserved for the US in some pc applications), but somewhere down the bottom, under UK English is just a little preparatory frustration we've got to get used to on the way to this messy geopolitical overhaul.jimmyjammer69
Yeah I understand what you mean. The problem is, we are just so used to saying the UK, that it would be odd to go back to England, Wales, Scotland, N.I...
That is the only problem. In the world and economically, all those contries are so blended in together.
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