Which situation would you consider to be better in terms of money?

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#1 LegitGamer3212
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We are taught as early as middle school to grow up get a professional job and make loads of money. We work hard in high school, countless hours studying in college, and then finally you make that money when you do a professional job. ok so here are the two scenarios. You are 25 years old.

Scenario 1 - You have a degree from an above-average college, You make $80,000 a year after taxes, you own a $550,000 house that's NOT payed off you owe a hefty amount to the bank and you must make mortgage payment monthly lets say you only put down a $100,000 down payment, You own a BMW M6 that's NOT payed off again monthly payments every month.

Scenario 2 - You have a degree from an average college making $25,000 after taxes, you own a $550,000 house that's PAYED off. You own a $30,000 car that's PAYED off.

You are a single 25 year old man or woman, which situation would you rather be in and why?

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#2 heysharpshooter
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If you have a couple of major purchases like a car and house payed off, your in great shape... but it depends on your other bills... insurance, utilities, entertainment... in general, the more money youmake, the better, but situation 2 is not bad...

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If you have a couple of major purchases like a car and house payed off, your in great shape... but it depends on your other bills... insurance, utilities, entertainment... in general, the more money youmake, the better, but situation 2 is not bad...

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so you'd go with 2?

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#4 fastr
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So scenario 2 must have had some wealthy grandparents die and leave him a house? I don't know a single 25 year old who doesn't make alot of money yet could possible have a half a mil house paid off. Anyways, i'll take the first scenario, because i'm not a dumb ass and wouldn't buy a house I couldn't afford the payments on, and i'd probably have a 0% APR on the car.
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#5 AutoPilotOn
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How did you get a 550,000 dollar house and 30,000 dollar car paid off at 25 making 25,000 a year and barely out of school?
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#6 k2theswiss
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2 duh?

but if your 25k a year you most likely can't pay the bills on a 500k house lol.

and second you would make 25k or 80k because the school you choose.... the money you make would be pretty much off

~years of edu

~years in field

~ average cost of liveing where you work.

~ type of job

not Where you went to school

pretty much any life you have as long as you paid off your car and your house. You just knocked out two huge funds to worry about

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#7 red12355
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Yeah scenario 2 doesnt make any sense tbh. Should be in a $600 apartment with a 15k car or something.
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#8 LegitGamer3212
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How did you get a 550,000 dollar house and 30,000 dollar car paid off at 25 making 25,000 a year and barely out of school?AutoPilotOn

lets say your grand parents or parents bought it for you/left it for you, but who cares the point is just which situation would you rather be in 1 or 2

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#9 fastr
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]How did you get a 550,000 dollar house and 30,000 dollar car paid off at 25 making 25,000 a year and barely out of school?LegitGamer3212

lets say your grand parents or parents bought it for you/left it for you, but who cares the point is just which situation would you rather be in 1 or 2

even if your paying 40k a year towards the house. and 10k a year towards the car, your still making more bank then scenario 1, plus you have nicer things.
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#10 UT_Wrestler
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550k house is way out of the affordability range for someone making only 80k/yr; your mortgage payment alone would be over 5k/month not counting utilities.
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#11 AutoPilotOn
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Well with option 2 I dont think I could afford utilities and taxes on the house and car even if they are paid off.
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#12 Lonelynight
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Scenario 1.
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#13 LegitGamer3212
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anyone else? i'd like to get a few more answers

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#14 howlrunner13
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Definitely number 2, especially considering that a hefty amount of that 80k would be going towards mortgage and car payments.

Though seriously what kind of HORRIBLE degree did I get in college that only makes 25k a year?

Edit: I change my mind. I go with rawsavon's answer. :P

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#15 LegitGamer3212
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Definitely number 2, especially considering that a hefty amount of that 80k would be going towards mortgage and car payments.

Though seriously what kind of HORRIBLE degree did I get in college that only makes 25k a year?

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well you never know in today's economy

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#16 rawsavon
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Option 1 -sell house and trade off car
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#17 LegitGamer3212
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Option 1 -sell house and trade off carrawsavon

and then what? move in with parents? what you going to do with all the money you make anyway? you're going to have to buy a house and car in the future right. Also, you'll have to give your parents money for living in there place

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#18 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Option 1 -sell house and trade off carLegitGamer3212

and then what? move in with parents? what you going to do with all the money you make anyway? you're going to have to buy a house and car in the future right. Also, you'll have to give your parents money for living in there place

1. With the money you make off the house you would be able to buy another (practical) house with cash.

2. Same with the car.

3. If I had to live with my parents for a few months they wouldn't charge me.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Option 1 -sell house and trade off carLegitGamer3212

and then what? move in with parents? what you going to do with all the money you make anyway? you're going to have to buy a house and car in the future right. Also, you'll have to give your parents money for living in there place

Why the f*** would I move in with one of my parents (have not lived at home for 12 years)? $80,000 is not that much...at all. Certainly not enough to be living it up in a half million dollar home. I would just buy a house and car that are more affordable, put the max away each year towards retirement (like I do now), and retire at 50
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#20 LegitGamer3212
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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Option 1 -sell house and trade off carhowlrunner13

and then what? move in with parents? what you going to do with all the money you make anyway? you're going to have to buy a house and car in the future right. Also, you'll have to give your parents money for living in there place

1. With the money you make off the house you would be able to buy another (practical) house with cash.

2. Same with the car.

3. If I had to live with my parents for a few months they wouldn't charge me.

With option 1 the house isn't payed off, you're going to sell it and get like $100,000 back? what's the point

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#21 AWildMeowth
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I'm not the kind of person that would live in a 500000 dollar house and drive a 30000 dollar car, though I do plan on making a lot of money. I just don't know what I will do with it.

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#22 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

and then what? move in with parents? what you going to do with all the money you make anyway? you're going to have to buy a house and car in the future right. Also, you'll have to give your parents money for living in there place

LegitGamer3212

1. With the money you make off the house you would be able to buy another (practical) house with cash.

2. Same with the car.

3. If I had to live with my parents for a few months they wouldn't charge me.

With option 1 the house isn't payed off, you're going to sell it and get like $100,000 back? what's the point

Woops. Mixed them up.

Still. I'd get an AFFORDABLE place. 550k house is absolutely ridiculous.

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#23 XilePrincess
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I'd rather be in 2. I can sell my house and my car and get something much more modest, and go back to school for a better degree, or find a better job. I'm smart with my money, so I could probably live off of 25k a year very easily.
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#24 LegitGamer3212
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I'd rather be in 2. I can sell my house and my car and get something much more modest, and go back to school for a better degree, or find a better job. I'm smart with my money, so I could probably live off of 25k a year very easily.XilePrincess

the degree you have now is bad? what would be this better degree?

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#25 rawsavon
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Just a little math: 550k house @5% for 30 years = 3k a month pmt + insurance + taxes (would be expensive) = 5k a month for house 100K car for 5 years = 1900 month + insurance = 2000 (rounding down for your benefit TC) =7k a month in car and house x 12 months =84k a year in just those 2 expenses ONLY MAKE 80K =bankrupt
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#26 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I'd rather be in 2. I can sell my house and my car and get something much more modest, and go back to school for a better degree, or find a better job. I'm smart with my money, so I could probably live off of 25k a year very easily.LegitGamer3212

the degree you have now is bad? what would be this better degree?

Anything would be better. 25k is close to abysmal. Personally I would go for an engineering degree. 60k right out of college is pretty good.

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#27 XilePrincess
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I'd rather be in 2. I can sell my house and my car and get something much more modest, and go back to school for a better degree, or find a better job. I'm smart with my money, so I could probably live off of 25k a year very easily.LegitGamer3212

the degree you have now is bad? what would be this better degree?

I don't know what degree I have, you didn't tell me. But if I'm only making 25k a year, it's probably not a good one. What the better degree is would all depend on what I had, what I wanted, and what I felt like going back to school to get.
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#28 LegitGamer3212
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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]I'd rather be in 2. I can sell my house and my car and get something much more modest, and go back to school for a better degree, or find a better job. I'm smart with my money, so I could probably live off of 25k a year very easily.XilePrincess

the degree you have now is bad? what would be this better degree?

I don't know what degree I have, you didn't tell me. But if I'm only making 25k a year, it's probably not a good one. What the better degree is would all depend on what I had, what I wanted, and what I felt like going back to school to get.

you know when you say "i'm smart with my money", it makes me assume you're one of those girls who make guys pay for everything lol. like u know the guy takes you out - pays for dinner, drinks, pool, movies, like everytime. I can be wrong i'm just assuming lol

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#29 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

the degree you have now is bad? what would be this better degree?

LegitGamer3212

I don't know what degree I have, you didn't tell me. But if I'm only making 25k a year, it's probably not a good one. What the better degree is would all depend on what I had, what I wanted, and what I felt like going back to school to get.

you know when you say "i'm smart with my money", it makes me assume you're one of those girls who make guys pay for everything lol. like u know the guy takes you out - pays for dinner, drinks, pool, movies, like everytime. I can be wrong i'm just assuming lol

That is a pretty odd statement (considering your 'option 1' is not even financially doable)
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#30 XilePrincess
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you know when you say "i'm smart with my money", it makes me assume you're one of those girls who make guys pay for everything lol. like u know the guy takes you out - pays for dinner, drinks, pool, movies, like everytime. I can be wrong i'm just assuming lol

LegitGamer3212

Yes, because I'm absolutely incapable of making my own money, paying my own way, and getting the most of my money, right? Because I've really given off the impression that I'm some sort of braindead leech who can't live life without men to pay for everything for me?

I'm in a nearly four-year long relationship, in which I'd rather just hang out with my boyfriend than for either of us to spend $40 to go to the movies. I don't expect to go waste money like that every time we get together. We rarely go on dates, and when we do, the only reason he pays is because he was raised that way and he would sooner cut my arm off with a hacksaw than let me pay for dinner. I don't just take, though, I buy him things on a regular basis, our relationship is perfectly 50/50. I pay my way.

And by smart with my money, I mean I've got over $2000 worth of stuff sitting in my basement that I got for free or very nearly free(EDIT: And yes, it IS neatly stored. I'm not a hoarder, and I'm not a lunatic). If you don't believe me, I'll upload a picture of it and post it. I've caught on to the "Extreme Couponing" craze and now I don't pay out of pocket for much of anything, so if I were to make only 25k a year and need to live off of that, I would likely only have to take about 2k a year out of that to buy food or other necessities like that. All my post-tax income will go towards stuff like rent, utilities, car payments, and gas, since next to none of it needs to go towards food, toiletries or cleaning products.

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#31 LegitGamer3212
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That is a pretty odd statement (considering your 'option 1' is not even financially doable)

alright fine so make the BMW M6 something less fancy like say just a $40,000 car. that's doable right

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#32 LegitGamer3212
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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

you know when you say "i'm smart with my money", it makes me assume you're one of those girls who make guys pay for everything lol. like u know the guy takes you out - pays for dinner, drinks, pool, movies, like everytime. I can be wrong i'm just assuming lol

XilePrincess

Yes, because I'm absolutely incapable of making my own money, paying my own way, and getting the most of my money, right? Because I've really given off the impression that I'm some sort of braindead leech who can't live life without men to pay for everything for me?

I'm in a nearly four-year long relationship, in which I'd rather just hang out with my boyfriend than for either of us to spend $40 to go to the movies. I don't expect to go waste money like that every time we get together. We rarely go on dates, and when we do, the only reason he pays is because he was raised that way and he would sooner cut my arm off with a hacksaw than let me pay for dinner. I don't just take, though, I buy him things on a regular basis, our relationship is perfectly 50/50. I pay my way.

And by smart with my money, I mean I've got over $2000 worth of stuff sitting in my basement that I got for free or very nearly free(EDIT: And yes, it IS neatly stored. I'm not a hoarder, and I'm not a lunatic). If you don't believe me, I'll upload a picture of it and post it. I've caught on to the "Extreme Couponing" craze and now I don't pay out of pocket for much of anything, so if I were to make only 25k a year and need to live off of that, I would likely only have to take about 2k a year out of that to buy food or other necessities like that. All my post-tax income will go towards stuff like rent, utilities, car payments, and gas, since next to none of it needs to go towards food, toiletries or cleaning products.

that's cool, very respectable. Just you know..a lot of girls nowadays just make guys pay all the time. If the girl is having sex with the guy then it's like he's just paying for sex.

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#33 rawsavon
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alright fine so make the BMW M6 something less fancy like say just a $40,000 car. that's doable right

LegitGamer3212
Ummm...NO For the reasons that I stated. -you have not even included any other bills yet (electric, food, entertainment, gas, etc) -a cheaper car is not going to fix that I just find it odd that you crack on someone else being good with money (saying that they use guys) when your scenario is not even remotely close to being financially possible
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#34 LegitGamer3212
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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]p>

alright fine so make the BMW M6 something less fancy like say just a $40,000 car. that's doable right

rawsavon

Ummm...NO For the reasons that I stated. -you have not even included any other bills yet (electric, food, entertainment, gas, etc) -a cheaper car is not going to fix that I just find it odd that you crack on someone else being good with money (saying that they use guys) when your scenario is not even remotely close to being financially possible

i was just kidding about that. You didn't see? i said "i'm assuming i can be wrong". How is it not doable? you haven't even read my post have you? i said you're putting down a $10,000 down payment

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]p>

alright fine so make the BMW M6 something less fancy like say just a $40,000 car. that's doable right

LegitGamer3212

Ummm...NO For the reasons that I stated. -you have not even included any other bills yet (electric, food, entertainment, gas, etc) -a cheaper car is not going to fix that I just find it odd that you crack on someone else being good with money (saying that they use guys) when your scenario is not even remotely close to being financially possible

i was just kidding about that. You didn't see? i said "i'm assuming i can be wrong". How is it not doable? you haven't even read my post have you? i said you're putting down a $10,000 down payment

$10 grand down on a 500k house is not even acceptable to a bank...minimum 3.5% down for an FHA loan ...LULZ This is why I find it humorous that you were cracking on someone else
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#36 LegitGamer3212
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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Ummm...NO For the reasons that I stated. -you have not even included any other bills yet (electric, food, entertainment, gas, etc) -a cheaper car is not going to fix that I just find it odd that you crack on someone else being good with money (saying that they use guys) when your scenario is not even remotely close to being financially possiblerawsavon

i was just kidding about that. You didn't see? i said "i'm assuming i can be wrong". How is it not doable? you haven't even read my post have you? i said you're putting down a $10,000 down payment

$10 grand down on a 500k house is not even acceptable to a bank...minimum 3.5% down for an FHA loan ...LULZ This is why I find it humorous that you were cracking on someone else

i meant $100,000 read my first topic post kid then quit arguing

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#37 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

i was just kidding about that. You didn't see? i said "i'm assuming i can be wrong". How is it not doable? you haven't even read my post have you? i said you're putting down a $10,000 down payment

LegitGamer3212

$10 grand down on a 500k house is not even acceptable to a bank...minimum 3.5% down for an FHA loan ...LULZ This is why I find it humorous that you were cracking on someone else

i meant $100,000 read my first topic post kid then quit arguing

:lol: I like this thread. $100,000 down wouldn't help all that much. Payment might decrease by $500/mo. over 30 years. You'd still be looking at $6000/mo. just between the house and the car. You've still got non-property taxes, utilities, food, etc. It's just not feasible.
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#38 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

i was just kidding about that. You didn't see? i said "i'm assuming i can be wrong". How is it not doable? you haven't even read my post have you? i said you're putting down a $10,000 down payment

LegitGamer3212

$10 grand down on a 500k house is not even acceptable to a bank...minimum 3.5% down for an FHA loan ...LULZ This is why I find it humorous that you were cracking on someone else

i meant $100,000 read my first topic post kid then quit arguing

There is no argument b/c your situation is impossible. You created a scenario that is not feasible and then make fun of someone else ITT for their ability to handle money...seems quite 'odd' IMO Putting 100k down would only lower your monthly pmt from 3k to 2500 a month...you are still f***ed
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#39 daqua_99
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Your scenarios are not plausible. How could you be earning $25,000 a year yet pay off a $550,000 house, and a $30,000 car, before you're 25? Even if you worked from the age of 15, and not spend a single cent, you would only have earned $250,000.

In answer to your question, scenario 1, as scenario 2 is impossible without financial backing.

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[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] $10 grand down on a 500k house is not even acceptable to a bank...minimum 3.5% down for an FHA loan ...LULZ This is why I find it humorous that you were cracking on someone elseDark__Link

i meant $100,000 read my first topic post kid then quit arguing

:lol: I like this thread. $100,000 down wouldn't help all that much. Payment might decrease by $500/mo. over 30 years. You'd still be looking at $6000/mo. just between the house and the car. You've still got non-property taxes, utilities, food, etc. It's just not feasible.

You can use the mortgage to get some tax deductions. Still, usually this kind of house is bought together with a spouse, so your spouse's income would be what you'd use for your living expenses and other investments.

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#41 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

i meant $100,000 read my first topic post kid then quit arguing

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:lol: I like this thread. $100,000 down wouldn't help all that much. Payment might decrease by $500/mo. over 30 years. You'd still be looking at $6000/mo. just between the house and the car. You've still got non-property taxes, utilities, food, etc. It's just not feasible.

You can use the mortgage to get some tax deductions. Still, usually this kind of house is bought together with a spouse, so your spouse's income would be what you'd use for your living expenses and other investments.

Considering 80k will not even cover the house, car, house insurance, and real estate taxes... The spouse will have to cover every 'bill' (electricity, other taxes, fuel/gas, etc) + food + savings + retirement for the both of them + any repairs to the house/cars + their own car pmt + auto insurance + random stuff like oil changes, birthday/christmas presents/whatever + make up the deficit the first person cannot cover