which would you rather tour..heaven or hell?

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#1 Arctic_Grillz
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SO you are forced to visit heaven or hell with guaranteed protection...which will you choose?why?!

I would choose hell...Im just curious what kind of evil creatures lurk out there, and the circles of hell sounds interesting.

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#2 Darth-Caedus
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Hell...I would be a servant in heaven...but a king in hell:twisted: Plus, assuming we are talking about the christian version of heaven...it sounds so boring...
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#3 Shad0ki11
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Why not just stay on Earth and experience both heaven and hell by simply living?

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#4 xxmatt125xx
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Hell to see what it is really like, just find it would be a more interesting place.
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Hell...I would be a servant in heaven...but a king in hell:twisted: Plus, assuming we are talking about the christian version of heaven...it sounds so boring... Darth-Caedus

What actually happens in Christian heaven? I know Dante's hell well enough, but I've know idea what sort of incentive I'm supposed to have for being good.

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#6 Logikalis
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Def. Hell-really want to see God's evil side :0

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#7 Yandere
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Hell, looks more interesting.

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#8 nimatoad2000
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well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
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#9 tzar3
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Hell.

I wanna arm wrestle with Lucifer.

Take a dive and swim the Lake of Fire.

Watch the tortured writhe and squirm with pain and their lamentations.

And other cool stuff.

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#10 pierst179
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Heaven of course. Hell doesn't seem like a really nice place to tour.

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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Hell...I would be a servant in heaven...but a king in hell:twisted: Plus, assuming we are talking about the christian version of heaven...it sounds so boring... jimmyjammer69

What actually happens in Christian heaven? I know Dante's hell well enough, but I've know idea what sort of incentive I'm supposed to have for being good.

You sit around on a cloud all day doing nothing.
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well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.nimatoad2000

It seems like Im going to have to steal this from juggernaut on this occassion.

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#13 Arctic_Grillz
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Why not just stay on Earth and experience both heaven and hell by simply living?

Shad0ki11

you are forced to visit.

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.cyberdarkkid

It seems like Im going to have to steal this from juggernaut on this occassion.

what is that sopposed to mean?

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#15 tzar3
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How dare you make fun of Immortal!

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#16 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Why not just stay on Earth and experience both heaven and hell by simply living?

Arctic_Grillz


you are forced to visit.

What's the point if one already lives in heaven and hell simultaneously? :o

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#17 cyberdarkkid
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How dare you make fun of Immortal!

tzar3
Well everyone does >_>
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How dare you make fun of Immortal!

tzar3

tell me this is not halerious? and i'm not making fun, i love them, but the MEME is great, theirs a facebook group dedicated to photoshopping, and theirs 7000 pix on it.

clearly this is the best metal album ever made

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#19 Darth-Caedus
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How dare you make fun of Immortal!

tzar3
Everyone does >_> Hell...I swear Immortal make fun of themselves:P
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#20 yabbicoke
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Hell, I'd take heaven, Hell would be boring as hell to visit....... what?

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#21 nimatoad2000
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

How dare you make fun of Immortal!

Darth-Caedus

Everyone does >_> Hell...I swear Immortal make fun of themselves:P

seriously, i was watching withstand the fall of time from wachen 2007 on youtube, my dad walks in and says " i didnt know kiss played metal too"

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Can i just go the zoo? :(

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#23 nimatoad2000
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i think a " photoshop this : immortal edition needs to be done"

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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="tzar3"]

How dare you make fun of Immortal!

nimatoad2000

Everyone does >_> Hell...I swear Immortal make fun of themselves:P

seriously, i was watching withstand the fall of time from wachen 2007 on youtube, my dad walks in and says " i didnt know kiss played metal too"

My brother thought they were Kiss too :?
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#25 tzar3
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[QUOTE="tzar3"]

How dare you make fun of Immortal!

Darth-Caedus

Everyone does >_> Hell...I swear Immortal make fun of themselves:P

Then all those so called "Metalheads"must die...

I kid, Immortal is cool but I dont care for em much.

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#26 rawsavon
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Hell

...hopefully the only time I have to see it

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#27 Dystopian-X
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ITT: Internet cool guys sitting comfortably on their PCs saying hell yet they would most likely piss their pants in a real hell on earth place like a war, prison or concentration camp etc.^_^

Anyways, seeing how I care for my well being I logically chose heaven.

Also this is a thread about Immortal now

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hmm well I guess I would go to hell since in heaven I wouldn't need the protection.

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Hell.. I wanna dine with Leonidas

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#30 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] Everyone does >_> Hell...I swear Immortal make fun of themselves:P cyberdarkkid

seriously, i was watching withstand the fall of time from wachen 2007 on youtube, my dad walks in and says " i didnt know kiss played metal too"

My brother thought they were Kiss too :?

My parents did as well D:
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#31 cyberdarkkid
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Wow it's funny to read the thread title and then see people talking about Immortal lol But that's why it's OT damn it :x
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#32 nimatoad2000
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ok some of the other best ones

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#33 chessmaster1989
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Lol, when I first read the thread title I wasn't paying attention and thought it was about the band Heaven & Hell on tour :P. But, yeah, I'd probably tour Hell. Hopefully Virgil will be my guide :D.
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#34 klusps
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Hell, seems more interesting.

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well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.nimatoad2000

:o I am as well...

...by the way, I recognize your song reference :D

Wait...srsly are you going to see them in San Francisco on August 10? (originally was in San Jose but they moved it)

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HELL... I WANA DINE WITH LEONIDAS!!!!1!1!!!

MassacreMonk

Fixed :P

HELL, THE PLACE TO DINE!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.chessmaster1989

:o I am as well...

...by the way, I recognize your song reference :D

Wait...srsly are you going to see them in San Francisco on August 10? (originally was in San Jose but they moved it)

yeah chessmaster, lets meet up bro. me and benevolent bob ( and his girlfriend ) are going, we got upper level seating , couldnt get ground level , was all sold out, but seriously , meet up we shall.
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#38 tzar3
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Little Red Riding Hood ist kvlt:

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#39 Arctic_Grillz
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hmm well I guess I would go to hell since in heaven I wouldn't need the protection.

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You'll need protection in heaven too you know. ^^,
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#40 Rod90
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Hell.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]well i'm going to see heaven and hell on the 10th of next month.. the world is full of kings and queen's who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams.nimatoad2000

:o I am as well...

...by the way, I recognize your song reference :D

Wait...srsly are you going to see them in San Francisco on August 10? (originally was in San Jose but they moved it)

yeah chessmaster, lets meet up bro. me and benevolent bob ( and his girlfriend ) are going, we got upper level seating , couldnt get ground level , was all sold out, but seriously , meet up we shall.

I'm on the main floor :P. I had great seats for the San Jose event and then they e-mailed me and said I get floor admission now which is fine with me :P

Dude, though, that's hilarious that you're going as well :P. My bro is going as well. I'm going to try and get there early so that I get a good spot on the floor :P. Besides, standing at a concert is where it's at 8)

By the way, what's your favorite song from The Devil You Know? Mine is Breaking Into Heaven :D.

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

:o I am as well...

...by the way, I recognize your song reference :D

Wait...srsly are you going to see them in San Francisco on August 10? (originally was in San Jose but they moved it)

chessmaster1989

yeah chessmaster, lets meet up bro. me and benevolent bob ( and his girlfriend ) are going, we got upper level seating , couldnt get ground level , was all sold out, but seriously , meet up we shall.

I'm on the main floor :P. I had great seats for the San Jose event and then they e-mailed me and said I get floor admission now which is fine with me :P

Dude, though, that's hilarious that you're going as well :P. My bro is going as well. I'm going to try and get there early so that I get a good spot on the floor :P. Besides, standing at a concert is where it's at 8)

By the way, what's your favorite song from The Devil You Know? Mine is Breaking Into Heaven :D.

we are going to try and bust into the main floor, since our tickets are sopposed to be more expensive / higher up, im sure their wont be any security checking tickets at the floor, but only to get up there. thus we shall be probly right up in front especially since their wont be any moshing at this show. dont worry about getting there early dude, coheed and horribleia are playing first, and their will most likely be 30 min in between them. we'll be able to get back upto the front / close.

EDIT: way too many smiley faces in your post, stop posting from inside that closet.

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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Hell...I would be a servant in heaven...but a king in hell:twisted: Plus, assuming we are talking about the christian version of heaven...it sounds so boring... jimmyjammer69

What actually happens in Christian heaven? I know Dante's hell well enough, but I've know idea what sort of incentive I'm supposed to have for being good.

Nobody knows for sure. The Bible talks more about Hell than Heaven.

Anyway, I'd probably tour Hell just so I don't have to be curious after I die. . .:P

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Probably Hell

Tough decision to make.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] yeah chessmaster, lets meet up bro. me and benevolent bob ( and his girlfriend ) are going, we got upper level seating , couldnt get ground level , was all sold out, but seriously , meet up we shall. nimatoad2000

I'm on the main floor :P. I had great seats for the San Jose event and then they e-mailed me and said I get floor admission now which is fine with me :P

Dude, though, that's hilarious that you're going as well :P. My bro is going as well. I'm going to try and get there early so that I get a good spot on the floor :P. Besides, standing at a concert is where it's at 8)

By the way, what's your favorite song from The Devil You Know? Mine is Breaking Into Heaven :D.

we are going to try and bust into the main floor, since our tickets are sopposed to be more expensive / higher up, im sure their wont be any security checking tickets at the floor, but only to get up there. thus we shall be probly right up in front especially since their wont be any moshing at this show. dont worry about getting there early dude, coheed and horribleia are playing first, and their will most likely be 30 min in between them. we'll be able to get back upto the front / close.

Oyeah forgot about C&C (*vomits*). Anyway, if you can get onto the floor with me and my bro that'd be amazing :D

I'll try to remember to PM you the day of to tell you what I'm wearing so we can actually find each other :lol:

EDIT: And, yes, there were way too many smileys in that post. Btw, what's your fav song from TDYK?

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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I'm on the main floor :P. I had great seats for the San Jose event and then they e-mailed me and said I get floor admission now which is fine with me :P

Dude, though, that's hilarious that you're going as well :P. My bro is going as well. I'm going to try and get there early so that I get a good spot on the floor :P. Besides, standing at a concert is where it's at 8)

By the way, what's your favorite song from The Devil You Know? Mine is Breaking Into Heaven :D.

chessmaster1989

we are going to try and bust into the main floor, since our tickets are sopposed to be more expensive / higher up, im sure their wont be any security checking tickets at the floor, but only to get up there. thus we shall be probly right up in front especially since their wont be any moshing at this show. dont worry about getting there early dude, coheed and horribleia are playing first, and their will most likely be 30 min in between them. we'll be able to get back upto the front / close.

Oyeah forgot about C&C (*vomits*). Anyway, if you can get onto the floor with me and my bro that'd be amazing :D

I'll try to remember to PM you the day of to tell you what I'm wearing so we can actually find each other :lol:

EDIT: And, yes, there were way too many smileys in that post. Btw, what's your fav song from TDYK?

i honestly havnt listened to it more than once, so i cant make that decision, im going to listen to it again right now.

here is the setlist btw, im pretty happy with it, they dont miss a classic.

E5150

the Mob Rules

Children Of The Sea

I

Bible Black

Time Machine

Drum Solo

Fear

Falling Off The Edge Of The World

Follow The Tears

Guitar Solo

Die Young

Heaven And Hell

Encore:

Country Girl

Neon Knights

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"] we are going to try and bust into the main floor, since our tickets are sopposed to be more expensive / higher up, im sure their wont be any security checking tickets at the floor, but only to get up there. thus we shall be probly right up in front especially since their wont be any moshing at this show. dont worry about getting there early dude, coheed and horribleia are playing first, and their will most likely be 30 min in between them. we'll be able to get back upto the front / close.nimatoad2000

Oyeah forgot about C&C (*vomits*). Anyway, if you can get onto the floor with me and my bro that'd be amazing :D

I'll try to remember to PM you the day of to tell you what I'm wearing so we can actually find each other :lol:

EDIT: And, yes, there were way too many smileys in that post. Btw, what's your fav song from TDYK?

i honestly havnt listened to it more than once, so i cant make that decision, im going to listen to it again right now.

Good decision. I love that album.

By the way, my real name's Chris, so don't be calling me chessmaster when you meet me... >_>

...though keep calling me that on the forum just for simplicity lol.

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I would like to see what Heaven would be like.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Oyeah forgot about C&C (*vomits*). Anyway, if you can get onto the floor with me and my bro that'd be amazing :D

I'll try to remember to PM you the day of to tell you what I'm wearing so we can actually find each other :lol:

EDIT: And, yes, there were way too many smileys in that post. Btw, what's your fav song from TDYK?

i honestly havnt listened to it more than once, so i cant make that decision, im going to listen to it again right now.

Good decision. I love that album.

By the way, my real name's Chris, so don't be calling me chessmaster when you meet me... >_>

...though keep calling me that on the forum just for simplicity lol.

ok :P, my real name is within my username. just dont call me it on here, read the edit i jst did to my last post, the setlist. i'll 90% chance be wearing my kreator shirt, and benevolentbob will 80% be wearing his cannibal corpse shirt haha .
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[QUOTE="MassacreMonk"]

HELL... I WANA DINE WITH LEONIDAS!!!!1!1!!!

SirWander

Fixed :P

HELL, THE PLACE TO DINE!!!!!!!!!!

Zomg! Roflmaocopter! :lol: