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#1 m45t3rch13f
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Nazism in the USA

Where is Gestapo when you need them?

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#2 Setsa
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People do have freedom of speech, and there isn't anything we can do about it : /
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#3 muller39
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wow just wow

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#4 Darth-Caedus
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People do have freedom of speech, and there isn't anything we can do about it : /Setsa
Yeah...this pretty much sums it up...
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#6 MasterC5
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Eh it's there right, let em be total morons if they want to be.

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#7 m45t3rch13f
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Gosh, I definitely spend to much time on YouTube...
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#8 MasterC5
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Gosh, I definitely spend to much time on YouTube...m45t3rch13f

Yes you do. but it's cool. Post moar videos you have been pretty amusing today.

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#9 Setsa
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Gosh, I definitely spend to much time on YouTube...m45t3rch13f
Doubt that, I've spent many of nights just looking at old boxing clips on youtube >.> At least you're learning something along the way :P
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#10 gameguy6700
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From what I've seen of the video so far (only 2:36 in) the woman they're focusing on isn't nearly as bad as the head of the neo-nazis in Alabama that some documentary I saw several months ago was about. Now that guy was ****ed up (even admitted that he recruited young teens specifically because they were so easy to indoctrinate).

This stuff isn't limited to just the US either though. Another good BBC documentary on white supremacy/neo nazism is their documentary on the BNP titled Young, Nazi, and Proud.

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#11 m45t3rch13f
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From what I've seen of the video so far (only 2:36 in) the woman they're focusing on isn't nearly as bad as the head of the neo-nazis in Alabama that some documentary I saw several months ago was about. Now that guy was ****ed up (even admitted that he recruited young teens specifically because they were so easy to indoctrinate).

This stuff isn't limited to just the US either though. Another good BBC documentary on white supremacy/neo nazism is their documentary on the BNP titled Young, Nazi, and Proud.

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BNP, they say they're not racists... Ironic...
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#12 Bigboss232
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[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]XD4NTESINF3RNOX
Why would you agree with them.

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#14 dramaybaz
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[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Bigboss232

Why would you agree with them.

Yeh, not the 1st time I have seen a similar comment from him.
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#15 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]

[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]dramaybaz

Why would you agree with them.

Yeh, not the 1st time I have seen a similar comment from him.

so i'm not allowed to agree with them?
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#16 Bigboss232
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No you can agree with them if you want I was just asking why. Has in I want to here your point of view is it exactly the same has theres and why is your opinion the same.

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#17 Omni-Slash
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This is quite honeslty why I love america...99% of people realize these people are asshats.....but in America you have the right ot have your beliefs...no matter how Epically Filled with Fail they are....
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#18 stupid4
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I just recentaly saw a program about White Supremacy on the National Geographic Chanel. It was very interesting.

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#19 lilasianwonder
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I always find these people entertaining to listen to.

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#20 Immortalica
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.
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The problem with many of these "documentaries" on nazis and such is that I think they do more harm than good. It's almost like free advertising for a group of people that otherwise would not be able to get their message of hate out to the masses.

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#22 gameguy6700
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The problem with many of these "documentaries" on nazis and such is that I think they do more harm than good. It's almost like free advertising for a group of people that otherwise would not be able to get their message of hate out to the masses.

sonicare

These documentaries don't portray racist/intolerant views in a good light. While they're not terribly biased, the bias is there. In the video in this topic, for example, the guy throws a lot of hardball questions like "you don't see anything wrong this?", "what was it you were jailed for?", and "don't you think your kids are too young to be involved in this?". A lot of his "questions" are just his opinions disguised as inquriry. As a result, I don't think that any fence sitters would lean toward nazism after seeing a documentary like this. Not that there are very many fencesitters on this issue I'd imagine since most people are either racist already or against it.

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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The problem with many of these "documentaries" on nazis and such is that I think they do more harm than good. It's almost like free advertising for a group of people that otherwise would not be able to get their message of hate out to the masses.

These documentaries don't portray racist/intolerant views in a good light. While they're not terribly biased, the bias is there. In the video in this topic, for example, the guy throws a lot of hardball questions like "you don't see anything wrong this?", "what was it you were jailed for?", and "don't you think your kids are too young to be involved in this?". A lot of his "questions" are just his opinions disguised as inquriry. As a result, I don't think that any fence sitters would lean toward nazism after seeing a documentary like this. Not that there are very many fencesitters on this issue I'd imagine since most people are either racist already or against it.

It's not that they portray them in a good light - it's that they are basically giving a nominal group free press time to spew their nonsense. Obviously the interviewer disagrees with them, but do we really need to see this?
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#24 gameguy6700
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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The problem with many of these "documentaries" on nazis and such is that I think they do more harm than good. It's almost like free advertising for a group of people that otherwise would not be able to get their message of hate out to the masses.

sonicare

These documentaries don't portray racist/intolerant views in a good light. While they're not terribly biased, the bias is there. In the video in this topic, for example, the guy throws a lot of hardball questions like "you don't see anything wrong this?", "what was it you were jailed for?", and "don't you think your kids are too young to be involved in this?". A lot of his "questions" are just his opinions disguised as inquriry. As a result, I don't think that any fence sitters would lean toward nazism after seeing a documentary like this. Not that there are very many fencesitters on this issue I'd imagine since most people are either racist already or against it.

It's not that they portray them in a good light - it's that they are basically giving a nominal group free press time to spew their nonsense. Obviously the interviewer disagrees with them, but do we really need to see this?

Do we need to see any documentary? No. Is it beneficial to learn more about society and the world? Yes. Like it or not neo-nazis exist, and I'd be willing it's better that people are aware of what they're like than to pretend that they don't exist. When it comes to unpopular fringe movements like neo-nazism the majority of their success is due to people being ignorant of their existence.

I'm not worried at all about people deciding to become neo-nazis after watching a documentary about it. If they were inclined to become skinheads or nazis chances are very good they already are or at least would have identified with such an ideology sooner or later.

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#25 T_P_O
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Reminds me of the British Nazi Party, sorry, the British "National" Party.

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[QUOTE="Setsa"]People do have freedom of speech, and there isn't anything we can do about it : /Darth-Caedus
Yeah...this pretty much sums it up...

yep.

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#27 anDy-PeNGuiN
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Reminds me of the British Nazi Party, sorry, the British "National" Party.

T_P_O

This sort of thing really does annoy me. Don't get me wrong, I'd never vote BNP (Im more of a liberal, but thats splitting your vote..) and im no racist, but I do however believe in freedom of speech, an aspect that makes nations such as the United Kingdom and the USA great. Nobody pay's attention to the other end of the spectrum, such as the hate-preachers/clerics of Britain, but the BNP who actually gained MEP seats (albeit on the failure of Labour) are seen as criminals? Sure, their views are shocking, but atleast dish the pain out evenly to both sides if you catch my drift..?

I've seen that program before, its mind-blowing how the children see the swastika as an entertainment factor, sort of reminiscent of the whole brainwashing of the education system in Nazi Germany. Ironic how she called Theroux the 'deluded brainwashed lemming', i think it was?

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#28 Dawq902
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we don't need this thread, we have American History X

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#29 Dasengaor
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Immortalica
Why? White power is for the uncultured -- those who don't understand the difference between culture and race. Race is an aesthetic quality, whereas ethnicity and culture are ancestry, what you SHOULD be proud of. If your family hails from Florence, then you should be embracing Neopolitan culture, not a non-existent one in which people who share the same skin pigmentation of you partake in. It's stupid. I'm from South India, and I can't relate to people from North India. I don't even speak the same language as they do. In fact, I don't speak the same language as the people who live 30 km away from where I grew up. We don't even share the same customs. And you know what? I have no pride in THEIR culture, just because they share the same skin color as me. I take pride in MY culture, because that's what I was born into, that's what my father was born into, that's what my father's father was born into, so on and so forth. White pride is an excuse to be culturally ignorant.
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#30 enterawesome
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:| That is just... ugh, I hate people! :x

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#31 enterawesome
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Immortalica
Oh, boy, nothing wrong with slaughtering innocent Jews, and hating all other human beings! *sarcasm*
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#32 Makemap
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Lol, it's gonna be opposite for them, they are lost.

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#33 Immortalica
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Oh, boy, nothing wrong with slaughtering innocent Jews, and hating all other human beings! *sarcasm*enterawesome
There's a difference between WWII-era Hitler-dictated Nazi Germany and modern day white nationalism. If you didn't know, Hitler was not the only one to kill Jews. The Russian pogroms, for example. It's a good thing you said sarcasm, because that's not what it's about any way. White pride is a love thing, not a hate thing.
[QUOTE="Immortalica"]I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Dasengaor
Why? White power is for the uncultured -- those who don't understand the difference between culture and race. Race is an aesthetic quality, whereas ethnicity and culture are ancestry, what you SHOULD be proud of. If your family hails from Florence, then you should be embracing Neopolitan culture, not a non-existent one in which people who share the same skin pigmentation of you partake in. It's stupid. I'm from South India, and I can't relate to people from North India. I don't even speak the same language as they do. In fact, I don't speak the same language as the people who live 30 km away from where I grew up. We don't even share the same customs. And you know what? I have no pride in THEIR culture, just because they share the same skin color as me. I take pride in MY culture, because that's what I was born into, that's what my father was born into, that's what my father's father was born into, so on and so forth. White pride is an excuse to be culturally ignorant.

Race and culture aren't the same in the first place. I am proud of both. I am proud to be white. I am proud of my culture, and those of the nations from which I descend. The point being, we are not different. We are white and we are brothers, even through different cultures and customs. NS stands for white pride world wide, and the preservation of all the cultures that make up the white race.
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#34 freek666
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There are all these "White Power" stickers around my area, but I've never seen any openly obvious White Supremecists around. I mean, the entire area is made up of middle eastern, western european and asian communities.

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#35 Dasengaor
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"] Race and culture aren't the same in the first place. I am proud of both. I am proud to be white. I am proud of my culture, and those of the nations from which I descend. The point being, we are not different. We are white and we are brothers, even through different cultures and customs. NS stands for white pride, world wide.

Skin color only arises from geographical similarity. However, given the fact that white people are found in places as far away from each other as Great Britain and Iran (Middle Easterners are Caucasians), being "white" is about as relevant as having red hair. Actually, less so, because red hair is linked more closely to genetics, and therefore, "kinship", than having white skin. The only conclusion that can be drawn is your inability to see the absurdity of your beliefs (not to mention the absurdity of many other things you might find to be true). Also, the only non-vague definition of National Socialism is Hitler's Nazi party. In case you don't know about history, they were the ones that slaughtered millions a few decades ago. To say that National Socialism stands for White Pride is to believe everything Hitler believed, because Hitler's Nazi party was basically just an extension of Hitler's beliefs, after he became leader of the party.
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#36 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Dasengaor"][QUOTE="Immortalica"] Race and culture aren't the same in the first place. I am proud of both. I am proud to be white. I am proud of my culture, and those of the nations from which I descend. The point being, we are not different. We are white and we are brothers, even through different cultures and customs. NS stands for white pride, world wide.

Skin color only arises from geographical similarity. However, given the fact that white people are found in places as far away from each other as Great Britain and Iran (Middle Easterners are Caucasians), being "white" is about as relevant as having red hair. Actually, less so, because red hair is linked more closely to genetics, and therefore, "kinship", than having white skin. The only conclusion that can be drawn is your inability to see the absurdity of your beliefs (not to mention the absurdity of many other things you might find to be true). Also, the only non-vague definition of National Socialism is Hitler's Nazi party. In case you don't know about history, they were the ones that slaughtered millions a few decades ago. To say that National Socialism stands for White Pride is to believe everything Hitler believed, because Hitler's Nazi party was basically just an extension of Hitler's beliefs, after he became leader of the party.

White just means of European descent. Maybe I should say, I am proud of my European heritage. Hitler had his own beliefs. He founded the NSDAP, a German political party. Back then, when Hitler was in control, the goal was to eliminate those Hitler believed to be unworthy. Today it is not quite the same. National Socialism is the belief in preserving the white European bloodline; because of the racial mixing that is destroying the culture of our ancestors. Do not say that my beliefs are absurd, because they are just as valid as yours, or Hitler's.
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#37 T_P_O
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Reminds me of the British Nazi Party, sorry, the British "National" Party.

anDy-PeNGuiN

This sort of thing really does annoy me. Don't get me wrong, I'd never vote BNP (Im more of a liberal, but thats splitting your vote..) and im no racist, but I do however believe in freedom of speech, an aspect that makes nations such as the United Kingdom and the USA great. Nobody pay's attention to the other end of the spectrum, such as the hate-preachers/clerics of Britain, but the BNP who actually gained MEP seats (albeit on the failure of Labour) are seen as criminals? Sure, their views are shocking, but atleast dish the pain out evenly to both sides if you catch my drift..?

I'm allowed my freedom of speech to criticise the BNP. They're nothing but standard pub racists and most of their policies would lead to disaster for this country and it's people.

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#38 kemar7856
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this could only happen in america anywhere else is auf wiedersehen

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Maybe they will one day join us, here, in 2009. They're still stuck in the 40's.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Immortalica
Could you become freinds with someone who is jewish or of african american decent.

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#41 m45t3rch13f
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Not in Europe?
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#42 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"]I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Bigboss232

Could you become freinds with someone who is jewish or of african american decent.

I don't think I could. I know that sounds bad, but it is the way it is. I only associate myself with those of my kin. From my experience, those people have all been very different from me, and I couldn't be friends with them if I wanted.
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#43 Dasengaor
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"] White just means of European descent. Maybe I should say, I am proud of my European heritage. Hitler had his own beliefs. He founded the NSDAP, a German political party. Back then, when Hitler was in control, the goal was to eliminate those Hitler believed to be unworthy. Today it is not quite the same. National Socialism is the belief in preserving the white European bloodline; because of the racial mixing that is destroying the culture of our ancestors. Do not say that my beliefs are absurd, because they are just as valid as yours, or Hitler's.

Europe runs from Moscow to Reykjavik, sir. To be proud of European heritage is to be proud of having ancestors that just happen to hail from a rather large area of land. That is absurd. That is stupid. You are NOT proud of your European heritage, but of your (I assume) Germanic heritage. That's fine, but I have one question -- which one? Are you proud to be Anglo-Saxon? Bavarian? Flemish? Whatever, you're actually doing a disservice to your own culture by lumping it in with a non-existent "European" one, thereby disgracing the blood, the land, the very existence of your ancestors. YOU are the reason your culture is dying, not racial mixing. Fix yourself before you fix others.
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#44 limpbizkit818
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I love the BBC reporters face when the Nazi used the N word :lol:

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[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]

[QUOTE="Immortalica"]I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Nazi (which is not what they're called btw). I say White Power, and I feel a sense of pride when I do.Immortalica

Could you become freinds with someone who is jewish or of african american decent.

I don't think I could. I know that sounds bad, but it is the way it is. I only associate myself with those of my kin. From my experience, those people have all been very different from me, and I couldn't be friends with them if I wanted.

Theyre different because of attitude, not skin color..

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#46 matisrock
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I don't mean to generalize, but the examples from that series of videos seemed to indicate that the living conditions for a lot of those white supremacists were less than ideal.

I think that this kind of extreme race pride or supremacist attitude comes from the need to feel that, despite one's situation, one is still better than a huge group of other people.

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#47 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Dasengaor"][QUOTE="Immortalica"] White just means of European descent. Maybe I should say, I am proud of my European heritage. Hitler had his own beliefs. He founded the NSDAP, a German political party. Back then, when Hitler was in control, the goal was to eliminate those Hitler believed to be unworthy. Today it is not quite the same. National Socialism is the belief in preserving the white European bloodline; because of the racial mixing that is destroying the culture of our ancestors. Do not say that my beliefs are absurd, because they are just as valid as yours, or Hitler's.

Europe runs from Moscow to Reykjavik, sir. To be proud of European heritage is to be proud of having ancestors that just happen to hail from a rather large area of land. That is absurd. That is stupid. You are NOT proud of your European heritage, but of your (I assume) Germanic heritage. That's fine, but I have one question -- which one? Are you proud to be Anglo-Saxon? Bavarian? Flemish? Whatever, you're actually doing a disservice to your own culture by lumping it in with a non-existent "European" one, thereby disgracing the blood, the land, the very existence of your ancestors. YOU are the reason your culture is dying, not racial mixing. Fix yourself before you fix others.

No no no. I am proud to be of a group of people who happen to hail from a large area of land. Stupid, it is not. Because we are one people. The white race is not restricted by imaginary geographical boundaries like you say. I know this is hard for you to understand. Nationality does not equal race. There are imaginary lines drawn on maps that separate one nation from another. While each nation has it's own customs, they do not separate from the race as a whole. I am not German, actually. I am an American of mostly French descent. I am proud of that. It's not about dissolving the cultures of my ancestors, as it is preserving them. It is about remembering our own heritage, and the accomplishments of all white people, so that it can be compiled together for future generations of aryan children to build upon to strengthen our common white blood. I don't need to fix my self. It's the brainwashed population of ignorant subhumans who need to fix themselves. Believe me when I say I am not alone. If you would like, I can direct you to a few sites where you may like to argue further on the subject. I am sorry you and I can not see eye to eye, but I am tired of your pointless arguing, so let it end here.
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#48 Immortalica
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[QUOTE="Immortalica"][QUOTE="Bigboss232"]Could you become freinds with someone who is jewish or of african american decent.

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I don't think I could. I know that sounds bad, but it is the way it is. I only associate myself with those of my kin. From my experience, those people have all been very different from me, and I couldn't be friends with them if I wanted.

Theyre different because of attitude, not skin color..

They seem to correlate.
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#49 Bigboss232
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Hmm so your proud of your race but you cant be freinds with others only your Kin wow I don't really get it but good luck to you.

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#50 Immortalica
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Hmm so your proud of your race but you cant be freinds with others only your Kin wow I don really get it but good luck to you.

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That's right. I'm not sure what's not to get.