So In you opinion who do you think was the greatest General in History.
i'm torn between Ghengis Khan and Erwin Rommel.
JuliusCaeser would be 3rd.
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So In you opinion who do you think was the greatest General in History.
i'm torn between Ghengis Khan and Erwin Rommel.
JuliusCaeser would be 3rd.
So In you opinion who do you think was the greatest General in History.
i'm torn between Ghengis Khan and Erwin Rommel.
JuliusCaeser would be 3rd.
lordreaven
Alexander the Great wipes the floor with any general real or fictional
Cesar built on Empire that already existed,with army that was well trained,
Genghis Khan was more of a raider then general so he doesn't count.
Alexander conquered all known world on his own,founded cities where even today ppl remember him fondly.
Monty is overrated. All he did was take over defences from the previus general (forgot name) and waited till he had huge superiority over rommel. Take a look at Normandy, he had a real hard time cracking Cean. I mean yeah it was very well defended, but if he was such a great general he would have won faster.
I would say Alexander the Great, Georgy Zhukov and Erwin Rommel.
Not to start a debate or anything but Napoleon was terrible at planning...he was successful because he was able to make good tactical decisions in the heat of battle..
....Um, what?Not to start a debate or anything but Napoleon was terrible at planning...he was successful because he was able to make good tactical decisions in the heat of battle..
Xx_Hopeless_xX
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So In you opinion who do you think was the greatest General in History.
i'm torn between Ghengis Khan and Erwin Rommel.
JuliusCaeser would be 3rd.
Alexander the Great wipes the floor with any general real or fictional
Cesar built on Empire that already existed,with army that was well trained,
Genghis Khan was more of a raider then general so he doesn't count.
Alexander conquered all known world on his own,founded cities where even today ppl remember him fondly.
Alexander though has his merits, pretty much fed off the fruits his father, Philip of Macedon, provided him.. If it weren't for Philip, Alexander wouldn't have had the military or even control of Greece if his father had not done it.......Um, what?[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
Not to start a debate or anything but Napoleon was terrible at planning...he was successful because he was able to make good tactical decisions in the heat of battle..
Bluestorm-Kalas
He was not a good strategist...but he was a good tactician...
Alexander the Great. That's just simple. The guy conquers at the time lands that had not been conquered before, travels to the ends of the earth. And wears a particular helmet so the people who he's fighting know its him.
Although in the modern era, Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.
Alexander the Great. That's just simple. The guy conquers at the time lands that had not been conquered before, travels to the ends of the earth. And wears a particular helmet so the people who he's fighting know its him.
Although in the modern era, Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.
sonic_spark
I agree with Alexander, but Hitler was militarily incompetent, his generals had the Brits surrounded at Dunkirk and Hitler ordered them to stop giving the Brits time to evacuate. It was Hitler's generals who had the brains.
My favorite American general is Benedict Arnold, yes he was a traitor, but he practically one the battle of Saratoga which was the turning point in the revolution.
[QUOTE="pecanin"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]
So In you opinion who do you think was the greatest General in History.
i'm torn between Ghengis Khan and Erwin Rommel.
JuliusCaeser would be 3rd.
sSubZerOo
Alexander the Great wipes the floor with any general real or fictional
Cesar built on Empire that already existed,with army that was well trained,
Genghis Khan was more of a raider then general so he doesn't count.
Alexander conquered all known world on his own,founded cities where even today ppl remember him fondly.
Alexander though has his merits, pretty much fed off the fruits his father, Philip of Macedon, provided him.. If it weren't for Philip, Alexander wouldn't have had the military or even control of Greece if his father had not done it...If i remember correctly Philip left for one campaign when Alexander had to fight his first battle (16 years old) which he won and thus expanded his father's kingdom and so began his empire building.Philip's empire was in decline when Alexander took over.
Alexander though has his merits, pretty much fed off the fruits his father, Philip of Macedon, provided him.. If it weren't for Philip, Alexander wouldn't have had the military or even control of Greece if his father had not done it...[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="pecanin"]
Alexander the Great wipes the floor with any general real or fictional
Cesar built on Empire that already existed,with army that was well trained,
Genghis Khan was more of a raider then general so he doesn't count.
Alexander conquered all known world on his own,founded cities where even today ppl remember him fondly.
pecanin
If i remember correctly Philip left for one campaign when Alexander had to fight his first battle (16 years old) which he won and thus expanded his father's kingdom and so began his empire building.Philip's empire was in decline when Alexander took over.
Its obvious the many military figures in ancient times had noble, or political power in their family to help them with the tools they need to conquer, but that doesnt discredit that the fact that Alexander the Great conquered 1/3 of the known world, and is also one of the greatest generals in history Well I believe General Patton is also a great example[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="pecanin"]
Alexander the Great wipes the floor with any general real or fictional
Cesar built on Empire that already existed,with army that was well trained,
Genghis Khan was more of a raider then general so he doesn't count.
Alexander conquered all known world on his own,founded cities where even today ppl remember him fondly.
Alexander though has his merits, pretty much fed off the fruits his father, Philip of Macedon, provided him.. If it weren't for Philip, Alexander wouldn't have had the military or even control of Greece if his father had not done it...If i remember correctly Philip left for one campaign when Alexander had to fight his first battle (16 years old) which he won and thus expanded his father's kingdom and so began his empire building.Philip's empire was in decline when Alexander took over.
Alexander wouldn't of had his army, his technology, their unique macedonian phalanx, and a united Greece which he could call from if it were not for Philip.. Alexander would never have been able to do anything remotely close if it were not for his father.. Furthermore, one of his largest opponents, the persians, even if they were outnumbered, their men were very poorly armed compared to the Greeks.. This isn't suggesting he was a poor general or what not, but to suggest he is the best is not neccesarly true what so ever.. Land conquest has little to do, because if that was teh case Gheghis Khan's territory was twice the size of Alexander's.hannibal was also great. and patton > rommel nimatoad2000Yeah Hannibal whooped the Romans so bad, that the only way they could defeat him in their own land no less was to use gurrilla tactics and hide behind their walls.
[QUOTE="pecanin"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Alexander though has his merits, pretty much fed off the fruits his father, Philip of Macedon, provided him.. If it weren't for Philip, Alexander wouldn't have had the military or even control of Greece if his father had not done it... sSubZerOo
If i remember correctly Philip left for one campaign when Alexander had to fight his first battle (16 years old) which he won and thus expanded his father's kingdom and so began his empire building.Philip's empire was in decline when Alexander took over.
Alexander wouldn't of had his army, his technology, their unique macedonian phalanx, and a united Greece which he could call from if it were not for Philip.. Alexander would never have been able to do anything remotely close if it were not for his father.. Furthermore, one of his largest opponents, the persians, even if they were outnumbered, their men were very poorly armed compared to the Greeks.. This isn't suggesting he was a poor general or what not, but to suggest he is the best is not neccesarly true what so ever.. Land conquest has little to do, because if that was teh case Gheghis Khan's territory was twice the size of Alexander's.Well if we're going to look at it that way then no general has right to be called ''great'' ,as each had something or somebody behind them .
*My mistake* Hannibal was completely cut of from his homeland with no support and beat Romans at their own teritory twice .
Also what of Ottoman Empire ? what of Suleyman the Magnificent who conquered half of Europe .
i don't think only '' popular '' nations or religions should be included
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="pecanin"]
If i remember correctly Philip left for one campaign when Alexander had to fight his first battle (16 years old) which he won and thus expanded his father's kingdom and so began his empire building.Philip's empire was in decline when Alexander took over.
Alexander wouldn't of had his army, his technology, their unique macedonian phalanx, and a united Greece which he could call from if it were not for Philip.. Alexander would never have been able to do anything remotely close if it were not for his father.. Furthermore, one of his largest opponents, the persians, even if they were outnumbered, their men were very poorly armed compared to the Greeks.. This isn't suggesting he was a poor general or what not, but to suggest he is the best is not neccesarly true what so ever.. Land conquest has little to do, because if that was teh case Gheghis Khan's territory was twice the size of Alexander's.Well if we're going to look at it that way then no general has right to be called ''great'' ,as each had something or somebody behind them .
*My mistake* Hannibal was completely cut of from his homeland with no support and beat Romans at their own teritory twice .
Also what of Ottoman Empire ? what of Suleyman the Magnificent who conquered half of Europe .
i don't think only '' popular '' nations or religions should be included
Not at all.. I never suggested that the "popular" nations were the only ones.. And I thought Hannibal was quite a gifted commander..Well, you're all wrong. IT's most likely an Alien.. I'm sure he's conqueered a few hundred different planets by now.. IT's only a matter of time before he gets to ours.
Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.
sonic_spark
He also made a lot of insanely stupid decisions. He really wasn't a very good military strategist, but he did surround himself with brilliant ones.
I'd have to go with Julius Caesar. Guy conquered Gaul then went on to win a civil war against Pompey and the senate, quite a lot for one guy to do. Alexander owes A LOT to his dad who built the army he used, setup the empire he'd start out with, and was already conquering before Alexander took over.
You're correct...TC should add 'Greatest General in Earths History' :PWell, you're all wrong. IT's most likely an Alien.. I'm sure he's conqueered a few hundred different planets by now.. IT's only a matter of time before he gets to ours.
EMOEVOLUTION
Well, you're all wrong. IT's most likely an Alien.. I'm sure he's conqueered a few hundred different planets by now.. IT's only a matter of time before he gets to ours.
You're correct...TC should add 'Greatest General in Earths History' :P thats the idea..........................i also have to mention Arminius, just read my sig to see what happend. And King Pyhrus of Epirus, never lost a battle from my understanding. However he won battles at such a cost he coined the term "Pyhric victory" were you lose even if you win. I think i spelt King Pyhrus's name wrong if i did someone let me know, thanks.[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]
Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.
yabbicoke
He also made a lot of insanely stupid decisions. He really wasn't a very good military strategist, but he did surround himself with brilliant ones.
He made one of the dumbest military decisions of all time. Operation Barbossa. Idiot. :PAlthough in the modern era, Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.sonic_spark
No. Hitler was actually very incompetent as a general. He made ignorant decisions (his decision to stop bombing the Brits RADAR stations during the Battle of Britain, attacking Stalingrad, for starters) that were very costly. Hitler was able to get far because of the generals, like Rommel, that surrounded him.
Also, uniting a nation has nothing to do with being a great general. He was a great public speaker, no doubt, but his skills as a general were not as good.
[QUOTE="yabbicoke"][QUOTE="sonic_spark"]
Hitler From a historical standpoint Hitler unites a nation under a depression and almost conquers the world in less than 10 years of coming into power.
battlefront23
He also made a lot of insanely stupid decisions. He really wasn't a very good military strategist, but he did surround himself with brilliant ones.
He made one of the dumbest military decisions of all time. Operation Barbossa. Idiot. :PHe violated the first rule of war. Never invade Russia.
He made one of the dumbest military decisions of all time. Operation Barbossa. Idiot. :P[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"]
He also made a lot of insanely stupid decisions. He really wasn't a very good military strategist, but he did surround himself with brilliant ones.
gatorteen
He violated the first rule of war. Never invade Russia.
I bet Hitler was wishing for another revolution in Russia after Stalingrad. :PHow many deaths were required before Julius Caesar conquered Gaul? We speak ill of men like Hitler and we speak ill of tyrants, but then we speak highly of people like Julius Caesar who are no different.I'd have to go with Julius Caesar. Guy conquered Gaul then went on to win a civil war against Pompey and the senate, quite a lot for one guy to do. Alexander owes A LOT to his dad who built the army he used, setup the empire he'd start out with, and was already conquering before Alexander took over.
gun65
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