They are allowed to advertise alcohol on TV, but not cigarettes? Why?
Who finds it strange that...
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Stupid reasons. Stupid reasons.
Because alcohol is good for you and has no adverse health effects.
Or maybe for some ridiculus reason society accepts alcohol and seems to reject other stuff that gets you buzzed like marijuana. Not to mention the anti tabacco people have done a great job at advertising against it. It's almost to the point where it's taboo to smoke.
[QUOTE="Hellsing2o2"]one causes cancer, and cancer to people around you. the other causes cancer, and if you're not careful, the deaths of everyone around you. see the difference? Smoking around babies and children is bad, but an adult being exposed to tobacco smoke on occasion is no worse than being exposed to car exhaust fumes, and you don't hear anyone complain about that.They are allowed to advertise alcohol on TV, but not cigarettes? Why?
Nibroc420
[QUOTE="junglist101"]
Because alcohol is good for you and has no adverse health effects.
SirWander
I don't really find it strange. Cigarettes can be highly addictive, most people have much more control over their drinking than smokers do over their smoking.PernicioEnigma
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
acolohol is easily the most outwardly damaging of legal drugs, its just more socially acceptable.
[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't really find it strange. Cigarettes can be highly addictive, most people have much more control over their drinking than smokers do over their smoking.SauceKing
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
No, it's the fidgeting smoker who can't have his smoke, so he's hostile towards everyone around him until he gets that smoke. Then after inhaling his cancer-fumes, he kindly exhales them around others, so they can have a taste of his death sticks.[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't really find it strange. Cigarettes can be highly addictive, most people have much more control over their drinking than smokers do over their smoking.SauceKing
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
acolohol is easily the most outwardly damaging of legal drugs, its just more socially acceptable.
Agreed.
[QUOTE="SauceKing"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't really find it strange. Cigarettes can be highly addictive, most people have much more control over their drinking than smokers do over their smoking.Nibroc420
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
No, it's the fidgeting smoker who can't have his smoke, so he's hostile towards everyone around him until he gets that smoke. Then after inhaling his cancer-fumes, he kindly exhales them around others, so they can have a taste of his death sticks.god knows a head on collision with a drunk driver is far less dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke. It takes decades of daily exposure to second hand smoke to have adverse health effects, just as it takes decades of daily head on collisions with drunk drivers to have adverse health effects, amirite?
No, it's the fidgeting smoker who can't have his smoke, so he's hostile towards everyone around him until he gets that smoke. Then after inhaling his cancer-fumes, he kindly exhales them around others, so they can have a taste of his death sticks.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
SauceKing
god knows a head on collision with a drunk driver is far less dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke. It takes decades of daily exposure to second hand smoke to have adverse health effects, just as it takes decades of daily head on collisions with drunk drivers to have adverse health effects, amirite?
Uhh. Getting ****faced is totally legal, and causes no danger to anyone else. Smoking causes cancer, second hand smoke causes cancer. You're somehow trying to make the assumption that every person who is drunk will rush for their car in an attempt to get into an accident. I can do that too. Smokers who fly planes into crowded areas are far more dangerous than fat losers who do nothing but down beers on their couch. That's why Smoking is worse.[QUOTE="SauceKing"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] No, it's the fidgeting smoker who can't have his smoke, so he's hostile towards everyone around him until he gets that smoke. Then after inhaling his cancer-fumes, he kindly exhales them around others, so they can have a taste of his death sticks.Nibroc420
god knows a head on collision with a drunk driver is far less dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke. It takes decades of daily exposure to second hand smoke to have adverse health effects, just as it takes decades of daily head on collisions with drunk drivers to have adverse health effects, amirite?
Uhh. Getting ****faced is totally legal, and causes no danger to anyone else. Smoking causes cancer, second hand smoke causes cancer. You're somehow trying to make the assumption that every person who is drunk will rush for their car in an attempt to get into an accident. I can do that too. Smokers who fly planes into crowded areas are far more dangerous than fat losers who do nothing but down beers on their couch. That's why Smoking is worse.smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't really find it strange. Cigarettes can be highly addictive, most people have much more control over their drinking than smokers do over their smoking.SauceKing
like the folks on tobbaco that pass out at the wheel and crash their car into other people, or the folks on tobacco that start bar fights because they had one too many cigarettes and beat their wives and kids.
acolohol is easily the most outwardly damaging of legal drugs, its just more socially acceptable.
True, it's hard to argue why smoking is bad or why marijuana should stay illegal when you're perfectly okay with alcohol, it's just so ingrained into our society I don't see it ever changing.Uhh. Getting ****faced is totally legal, and causes no danger to anyone else. Smoking causes cancer, second hand smoke causes cancer. You're somehow trying to make the assumption that every person who is drunk will rush for their car in an attempt to get into an accident. I can do that too. Smokers who fly planes into crowded areas are far more dangerous than fat losers who do nothing but down beers on their couch. That's why Smoking is worse.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]
god knows a head on collision with a drunk driver is far less dangerous than inhaling 2nd hand smoke. It takes decades of daily exposure to second hand smoke to have adverse health effects, just as it takes decades of daily head on collisions with drunk drivers to have adverse health effects, amirite?
SauceKing
smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
You're making up silly scenarios that make it seem like drinking = drinking and driving. Then comparing smoking not to drinking, but to "drinking and driving". My point is, in a controlled environment, where alcoholics can resist this urge you claim they have for head on collisions. Smoking causes more kinds of cancer, a higher increase in chance of developing a cancer, and also can cause cancer in the people who are simply around the smoker. Drinking can cause cancer in the drunk person. Just because some idiots want to get hammered and drive around, doesn't mean that's the alcohol's fault.[QUOTE="SauceKing"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Uhh. Getting ****faced is totally legal, and causes no danger to anyone else. Smoking causes cancer, second hand smoke causes cancer. You're somehow trying to make the assumption that every person who is drunk will rush for their car in an attempt to get into an accident. I can do that too. Smokers who fly planes into crowded areas are far more dangerous than fat losers who do nothing but down beers on their couch. That's why Smoking is worse.Nibroc420
smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
You're making up silly scenarios that make it seem like drinking = drinking and driving. Then comparing smoking not to drinking, but to "drinking and driving". My point is, in a controlled environment, where alcoholics can resist this urge you claim they have for head on collisions. Smoking causes more kinds of cancer, a higher increase in chance of developing a cancer, and also can cause cancer in the people who are simply around the smoker. Drinking can cause cancer in the drunk person. Just because some idiots want to get hammered and drive around, doesn't mean that's the alcohol's fault.Just because some people want to smoke around other people doesn't mean it's the tobacco's fault.You're making up silly scenarios that make it seem like drinking = drinking and driving. Then comparing smoking not to drinking, but to "drinking and driving". My point is, in a controlled environment, where alcoholics can resist this urge you claim they have for head on collisions. Smoking causes more kinds of cancer, a higher increase in chance of developing a cancer, and also can cause cancer in the people who are simply around the smoker. Drinking can cause cancer in the drunk person. Just because some idiots want to get hammered and drive around, doesn't mean that's the alcohol's fault.Just because some people want to smoke around other people doesn't mean it's the tobacco's fault. Haha When someone shoots someone else. Do we blame the person who goes "Trololol, i'm gonna shoot you!" or do we sit down and go "BAD gun, BAD, no bullets for you this weekend, BAD!" I think it's pretty obvious that we don't blame inanimate objects for causing us to do stupid ****.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]
smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
ColdExistence
[QUOTE="SauceKing"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Uhh. Getting ****faced is totally legal, and causes no danger to anyone else. Smoking causes cancer, second hand smoke causes cancer. You're somehow trying to make the assumption that every person who is drunk will rush for their car in an attempt to get into an accident. I can do that too. Smokers who fly planes into crowded areas are far more dangerous than fat losers who do nothing but down beers on their couch. That's why Smoking is worse.Nibroc420
smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
You're making up silly scenarios that make it seem like drinking = drinking and driving. Then comparing smoking not to drinking, but to "drinking and driving". My point is, in a controlled environment, where alcoholics can resist this urge you claim they have for head on collisions. Smoking causes more kinds of cancer, a higher increase in chance of developing a cancer, and also can cause cancer in the people who are simply around the smoker. Drinking can cause cancer in the drunk person. Just because some idiots want to get hammered and drive around, doesn't mean that's the alcohol's fault.one of the largest centers for drinking are called bars, bars are places you have to travel to.... and eventually have to travel home from.
2nd hand smoking death rates are mostly based off a slight increase in blood pressure for people with heart conditions... which can be triggered by pollution, or a woman wearing a short skirt, or a summer that is 2 degrees warmer on average than the previous year.
nobody under the age of probably 70 has ever died from 2nd hand smoke. But people as young as 16 are killed by drunks in traffic accidents, and childhoods are destroyed by alcoholic parents.
you clearly have some sort of personal vendetta against tobacco, but lets not pretend in the slightest cigarettes are even remotely more dangerous to society.
You're making up silly scenarios that make it seem like drinking = drinking and driving. Then comparing smoking not to drinking, but to "drinking and driving". My point is, in a controlled environment, where alcoholics can resist this urge you claim they have for head on collisions. Smoking causes more kinds of cancer, a higher increase in chance of developing a cancer, and also can cause cancer in the people who are simply around the smoker. Drinking can cause cancer in the drunk person. Just because some idiots want to get hammered and drive around, doesn't mean that's the alcohol's fault.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]
smoking cigarettes is totally legal as well. And alcohol also causes cancer.
and smokers who fly planes into crowded areas? what?
SauceKing
one of the largest centers for drinking are called bars, bars are places you have to travel to.... and eventually have to travel home from.
2nd hand smoking death rates are mostly based off a slight increase in blood pressure for people with heart conditions... which can be triggered by pollution, or a woman wearing a short skirt, or a summer that is 2 degrees warmer on average than the previous year.
nobody under the age of probably 70 has ever died from 2nd hand smoke. But people as young as 16 are killed by drunks in traffic accidents, and childhoods are destroyed by alcoholic parents.
you clearly have some sort of personal vendetta against tobacco, but lets not pretend in the slightest cigarettes are even remotely more dangerous.
I'll be sitting over here laughing as you continue to pile more and more evidence of your ignorance infront of yourself.
I dont even have to say anything, you're ruining your own arguement.
http://www.drinkdrivingfacts.com/drinkdriving/drink_driving_facts.aspx
Check that link out, I can't ensure that it's a credible source, but the averages are still pretty scary.
I don't think you can approach the idea of which one is 'worse'. Let's be honest guys, smoking and drinking both have their equally bad parts. I'm a smoker, and I occasionally drink. Now, it's fine for those people who smoke and don't drink to say 'ALCOHOL IS WORSE THAN SMOKING' or for non-smokers to say that 'SMOKING IS WORSE!' but really, are they really worse than each other? The difference is, some people who couldn't care about other people around them will smoke where they please (within the confines of the law obviously =P) and some drinkers will excess and make stupid decisions like driving their cars, or headbutting a pedestrian XD
Either way, it's the person themselves who control the outcomes of their habits, I personally won't smoke near anyone unless their smokers. So I don't smoke while walking, I sit where no-one is in direct contact of my habit (or where i'm least likely to affect people, but then smoke does travel so you can't get everything right =P) That's why it makes me laugh when people say 'Smoking is worse than anything' To whom? Me? Chances are your right, bad habit and may be directly related to getting cancer, but if i'm choosing to smoke, at least its away from you and i'm not trying to antagonise people with my habit =]
By the same token, I'm probably guilty of excessing on the alcohol front a little ( University eh ;) )and i've got into fights because of it, or done stupid things. So for me, no, you can't really compare these things against one another. Makes no sense, their not even similar enough to do so. But it would be a lie to kid yourself and believe that drink driving isn't a relatively sizeable problem. As are all driving offences. It's personal choice, you make that choice, impaired or not.
http://www.drinkdrivingfacts.com/drinkdriving/drink_driving_facts.aspx
Check that link out, I can't ensure that it's a credible source, but the averages are still pretty scary.
I don't think you can approach the idea of which one is 'worse'. Let's be honest guys, smoking and drinking both have their equally bad parts. I'm a smoker, and I occasionally drink. Now, it's fine for those people who smoke and don't drink to say 'ALCOHOL IS WORSE THAN SMOKING' or for non-smokers to say that 'SMOKING IS WORSE!' but really, are they really worse than each other? The difference is, some people who couldn't care about other people around them will smoke where they please (within the confines of the law obviously =P) and some drinkers will excess and make stupid decisions like driving their cars, or headbutting a pedestrian XD
Either way, it's the person themselves who control the outcomes of their habits, I personally won't smoke near anyone unless their smokers. So I don't smoke while walking, I sit where no-one is in direct contact of my habit (or where i'm least likely to affect people, but then smoke does travel so you can't get everything right =P) That's why it makes me laugh when people say 'Smoking is worse than anything' To whom? Me? Chances are your right, bad habit and may be directly related to getting cancer, but if i'm choosing to smoke, at least its away from you and i'm not trying to antagonise people with my habit =]
By the same token, I'm probably guilty of excessing on the alcohol front a little ( University eh ;) )and i've got into fights because of it, or done stupid things. So for me, no, you can't really compare these things against one another. Makes no sense, their not even similar enough to do so. But it would be a lie to kid yourself and believe that drink driving isn't a relatively sizeable problem. As are all driving offences. It's personal choice, you make that choice, impaired or not.
Kaiokame
I'm not at all saying it "Isn't a problem"
I'm saying some people are ****ing stupid, where as the rest of us are able to do things like inteligent human beings.
Some people like hunting, some people like sport shooting, other people like to shoot people.
"OH NO, PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE WITH GUNS, BAN GUNS, GUNS ARE EVIL.":roll:
Likewise.
Some people like having a couple beers while playing cards, others like to down gallons of vodka and see how fast their cars can go.
Does that mean "Oh noes, alchohol = getting hammered and crashing" No. Some idiots will continue to do stupid things until they die, because they're idiots.
Meanwhile smoking harms yourself, and anyone else who manages to inhale the fumes.
[QUOTE="Kaiokame"]
http://www.drinkdrivingfacts.com/drinkdriving/drink_driving_facts.aspx
Check that link out, I can't ensure that it's a credible source, but the averages are still pretty scary.
I don't think you can approach the idea of which one is 'worse'. Let's be honest guys, smoking and drinking both have their equally bad parts. I'm a smoker, and I occasionally drink. Now, it's fine for those people who smoke and don't drink to say 'ALCOHOL IS WORSE THAN SMOKING' or for non-smokers to say that 'SMOKING IS WORSE!' but really, are they really worse than each other? The difference is, some people who couldn't care about other people around them will smoke where they please (within the confines of the law obviously =P) and some drinkers will excess and make stupid decisions like driving their cars, or headbutting a pedestrian XD
Either way, it's the person themselves who control the outcomes of their habits, I personally won't smoke near anyone unless their smokers. So I don't smoke while walking, I sit where no-one is in direct contact of my habit (or where i'm least likely to affect people, but then smoke does travel so you can't get everything right =P) That's why it makes me laugh when people say 'Smoking is worse than anything' To whom? Me? Chances are your right, bad habit and may be directly related to getting cancer, but if i'm choosing to smoke, at least its away from you and i'm not trying to antagonise people with my habit =]
By the same token, I'm probably guilty of excessing on the alcohol front a little ( University eh ;) )and i've got into fights because of it, or done stupid things. So for me, no, you can't really compare these things against one another. Makes no sense, their not even similar enough to do so. But it would be a lie to kid yourself and believe that drink driving isn't a relatively sizeable problem. As are all driving offences. It's personal choice, you make that choice, impaired or not.
Nibroc420
I'm not at all saying it "Isn't a problem"
I'm saying some people are ****ing stupid, where as the rest of us are able to do things like inteligent human beings.
Some people like hunting, some people like sport shooting, other people like to shoot people.
"OH NO, PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE WITH GUNS, BAN GUNS, GUNS ARE EVIL.":roll:
Likewise.
Some people like having a couple beers while playing cards, others like to down gallons of vodka and see how fast their cars can go.
Does that mean "Oh noes, alchohol = getting hammered and crashing" No. Some idiots will continue to do stupid things until they die, because they're idiots.
Meanwhile smoking harms yourself, and anyone else who manages to inhale the fumes.
alcohol harms yourself and occasionally anyone that manages to be around you.
again it seems to be a case of you protecting your personal vice... while berating others for theirs.
Lawsuits man, lawsuits. Suing a tobacco company usually ends up successful more than suing an alcohol company. Plus if you use alcohol moderately you're fine, on the other hand tobacco is more addictive
Funny thing is I like shows like The Twilight Zone and other black and white series, and back during the 50's and 60's about 90% of the ads seemed to be for cigarettes of some type. Pretty funny seeing how different that is today
[QUOTE="Kaiokame"]
http://www.drinkdrivingfacts.com/drinkdriving/drink_driving_facts.aspx
Check that link out, I can't ensure that it's a credible source, but the averages are still pretty scary.
I don't think you can approach the idea of which one is 'worse'. Let's be honest guys, smoking and drinking both have their equally bad parts. I'm a smoker, and I occasionally drink. Now, it's fine for those people who smoke and don't drink to say 'ALCOHOL IS WORSE THAN SMOKING' or for non-smokers to say that 'SMOKING IS WORSE!' but really, are they really worse than each other? The difference is, some people who couldn't care about other people around them will smoke where they please (within the confines of the law obviously =P) and some drinkers will excess and make stupid decisions like driving their cars, or headbutting a pedestrian XD
Either way, it's the person themselves who control the outcomes of their habits, I personally won't smoke near anyone unless their smokers. So I don't smoke while walking, I sit where no-one is in direct contact of my habit (or where i'm least likely to affect people, but then smoke does travel so you can't get everything right =P) That's why it makes me laugh when people say 'Smoking is worse than anything' To whom? Me? Chances are your right, bad habit and may be directly related to getting cancer, but if i'm choosing to smoke, at least its away from you and i'm not trying to antagonise people with my habit =]
By the same token, I'm probably guilty of excessing on the alcohol front a little ( University eh ;) )and i've got into fights because of it, or done stupid things. So for me, no, you can't really compare these things against one another. Makes no sense, their not even similar enough to do so. But it would be a lie to kid yourself and believe that drink driving isn't a relatively sizeable problem. As are all driving offences. It's personal choice, you make that choice, impaired or not.
Nibroc420
I'm not at all saying it "Isn't a problem"
I'm saying some people are ****ing stupid, where as the rest of us are able to do things like inteligent human beings.
Some people like hunting, some people like sport shooting, other people like to shoot people.
"OH NO, PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE WITH GUNS, BAN GUNS, GUNS ARE EVIL.":roll:
Likewise.
Some people like having a couple beers while playing cards, others like to down gallons of vodka and see how fast their cars can go.
Does that mean "Oh noes, alchohol = getting hammered and crashing" No. Some idiots will continue to do stupid things until they die, because they're idiots.
Meanwhile smoking harms yourself, and anyone else who manages to inhale the fumes.
Well that's a fair point and I entirely agree with it, it does harm people around you. I know there's a million arguements for how second hand smoke can harm others and I'm not disputing that, if it harms me then chances are that it'll harm you too. I'm agreed in that sense that its more of a direct cause and effect. Alcohol also has cause and effect, just more indirectly. As you validly point out, its peoples choices to get smashed and drive their car if they choose to, and peoples choice to smoke around other people is more likely to affect people because the choices aren't limited to you. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the fact that smoking has a more direct effect on people.
I just think that it's a silly clash of opinion to begin with, you'll always have anti's on both sides that convolute the issue. I just think that it has to be considered more clearly than how the majority of people approach the subject. They are both 'drugs' in their own right, they both have negative media associated with them, and they both have effects that may seem less desirable to some than others. But what can you say, it's all opinion.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]
[QUOTE="Kaiokame"]
http://www.drinkdrivingfacts.com/drinkdriving/drink_driving_facts.aspx
Check that link out, I can't ensure that it's a credible source, but the averages are still pretty scary.
I don't think you can approach the idea of which one is 'worse'. Let's be honest guys, smoking and drinking both have their equally bad parts. I'm a smoker, and I occasionally drink. Now, it's fine for those people who smoke and don't drink to say 'ALCOHOL IS WORSE THAN SMOKING' or for non-smokers to say that 'SMOKING IS WORSE!' but really, are they really worse than each other? The difference is, some people who couldn't care about other people around them will smoke where they please (within the confines of the law obviously =P) and some drinkers will excess and make stupid decisions like driving their cars, or headbutting a pedestrian XD
Either way, it's the person themselves who control the outcomes of their habits, I personally won't smoke near anyone unless their smokers. So I don't smoke while walking, I sit where no-one is in direct contact of my habit (or where i'm least likely to affect people, but then smoke does travel so you can't get everything right =P) That's why it makes me laugh when people say 'Smoking is worse than anything' To whom? Me? Chances are your right, bad habit and may be directly related to getting cancer, but if i'm choosing to smoke, at least its away from you and i'm not trying to antagonise people with my habit =]
By the same token, I'm probably guilty of excessing on the alcohol front a little ( University eh ;) )and i've got into fights because of it, or done stupid things. So for me, no, you can't really compare these things against one another. Makes no sense, their not even similar enough to do so. But it would be a lie to kid yourself and believe that drink driving isn't a relatively sizeable problem. As are all driving offences. It's personal choice, you make that choice, impaired or not.
SauceKing
I'm not at all saying it "Isn't a problem"
I'm saying some people are ****ing stupid, where as the rest of us are able to do things like inteligent human beings.
Some people like hunting, some people like sport shooting, other people like to shoot people.
"OH NO, PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE WITH GUNS, BAN GUNS, GUNS ARE EVIL.":roll:
Likewise.
Some people like having a couple beers while playing cards, others like to down gallons of vodka and see how fast their cars can go.
Does that mean "Oh noes, alchohol = getting hammered and crashing" No. Some idiots will continue to do stupid things until they die, because they're idiots.
Meanwhile smoking harms yourself, and anyone else who manages to inhale the fumes.
alcohol harms yourself and occasionally anyone that manages to be around you.
again it seems to be a case of you protecting your personal vice... while berating others for theirs.
However this is only if the drunk decides to drive (and people let him/her) or if said drunk is known to be violent. In which case violent people hurt people all the time, again, nothing to do with alchohol.
Meanwhile smokers continue to walk through crowds exhaling their fumes like nothing ever happened.
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