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[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]
I am!
Baffels18
Come on then tough guy. *Punches Bloodaxe726* :x
*Stabs Baffels in the kidney* Now try to box me!
[QUOTE="Baffels18"]
[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]
I am!
Bloodaxe726
Come on then tough guy. *Punches Bloodaxe726* :x
*Stabs Baffels in the kidney* Now try to box me!
Knife eh? *Pulls out gun* Don't bring a knife to a gun fight *Shoots Bloodaxe in the head*
I Win. 8)
Bleeds out and dies. :cry:
[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]
[QUOTE="Baffels18"]
Come on then tough guy. *Punches Bloodaxe726* :x
Baffels18
*Stabs Baffels in the kidney* Now try to box me!
Knife eh? *Pulls out gun* Don't bring a knife to a gun fight *Shoots Bloodaxe in the head*
I Win. 8)
Bleeds out and dies. :cry:
I report you to the police you go to jail, I WIN!EASY: Rocky Marciano...the only champ to retire undefeated 49-0...no one ever beat him in a professional fight...game overrawsavonI'd have to go with this guy. Although Tyson before he fell apart was my favorite.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]EASY: Rocky Marciano...the only champ to retire undefeated 49-0...no one ever beat him in a professional fight...game overdouble_deckerI'd have to go with this guy. Although Tyson before he fell apart was my favorite. I agree that Tyson had the best short term run EVER...more intimidating than Ali even IMO. But it was a short run. I would have liked to have seen how his career played out without prison. But that is all "what if's"... Ali also had good run...much longer than Tyson. But he looked bad at the end of his career. That is why I said Rocky M. The only one with the facts/record to match the claim as GOAT (greatest of all time)
I agree that Tyson had the best short term run EVER...more intimidating than Ali even IMO. But it was a short run. I would have liked to have seen how his career played out without prison. But that is all "what if's"... Ali also had good run...much longer than Tyson. But he looked bad at the end of his career. That is why I said Rocky M. The only one with the facts/record to match the claim as GOAT (greatest of all time)rawsavonI know, it's a shame his life went downhill so fast, but as you said, facts are facts. You can debate all day but until someone beats his record I wouldn't even consider anyone else technically speaking.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SlaYeR4You"] Stats don't make GOATs, Rocky Marciano fought wimps and retired with only 49 fight under his belt because he was scarred of losing, Ali fought in the golden era of boxing and dominated (defeating great fighters like Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Chuvalo, Liston)...it's a tough call between Ali and Joe Louis but definitely not MarcianoSlaYeR4YouI hate this argument... People say: Jim Brown is not the best RB ever because he did not play against the best (today's athletes) Wilt Chamberlain was not the best ever because he did not play against the best (MJ, Magic, etc.) Blah, Blah, Blah 1. You can only play against/fight who is available during your era 2. Of course the further along in history, the "better" the players/fighters are -they are bigger, faster, stronger, train longer, eat better, and take better care of their bodies than they did 10/25/50/100 years ago. -Back in the day players/fighters had "real" jobs, in addition to playing sports. 3. But if the older fighters/players were alive today, they would have all the advantages of today's athletes...they would still dominate. 4. You honestly think a fighter that went 49-0 retired because he was afraid...really...that is you argument. 5. He was the only great to retire and stay retired...he beat everyone of his day...knew when his time was over...and retired...that takes real courage. 6. Ali lost fights before, during, after his prime. -He did not even dominate everyone in his own era. 7. You are playing the "what if" game...what if Rocky had the same opponents as Ali...what if Tyson never goes to jail...what if Roy Jones Jr. doesn't get disqualified for his first loss and keeps his undefeated streak alive...what if, what if, what if -Base it on Stats...Rocky was the best ever of his particular era...He dominated his era like no one ever has...case closed First i'm not saying that Marciano is not the best because he didn't fight against Ali or Tyson, he didn't fight nobody good except Joe Louis ( even he wasn't good then, he was 38 years old ) Like I said...you can only fight who is around in your era...maybe they did not look so great because he dominated them so badly he retired with only 49 fights under his belt which is not much Want to guess Ali's # of fights 61 (56-5...only 7 more victories over a much larger time span) LINK, second Ali never lost during his prime He lost in 1971 and 1973...his prime...his career went from 1960-1981 (so right in the middle) LINK, his first loss came after 3 and half years outside the ring break was from 1967-1970, has 2 fights in 1970 then LOST in 1971, thirdly no boxing critic, commentator or columnist ever named Marciano (nor Tyson) to be the greatest....they know better I form my own opinion...if there is a commentator that has seen every boxer in the top 10...then I will listen to them...but most are in their 30's or 40's = did not see said fighters (max kellerman, brian kenney, etc.)
Just to piss people off I say Floyd Mayweather, Jr.Razor-Lazor
You can't piss me off if I don't even know who he is.
[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Just to piss people off I say Floyd Mayweather, Jr.avatar_genius
You can't piss me off if I don't even know who he is.
Money Mayweather is undefeated at 39-0 (25 KO's). I don't know boxing at all but that statistic kinda speaks for itself.IMO mohammed ali :]
'I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet pilots. I'm in a world of my own.'- mohammed ali :D
First i'm not saying that Marciano is not the best because he didn't fight against Ali or Tyson, he didn't fight nobody good except Joe Louis ( even he wasn't good then, he was 38 years old ) Like I said...you can only fight who is around in your era...maybe they did not look so great because he dominated them so badly he retired with only 49 fights under his belt which is not much Want to guess Ali's # of fights 61 (56-5...only 7 more victories over a much larger time span) LINK, second Ali never lost during his prime He lost in 1971 and 1973...his prime...his career went from 1960-1981 (so right in the middle) LINK, his first loss came after 3 and half years outside the ring break was from 1967-1970, has 2 fights in 1970 then LOST in 1971, thirdly no boxing critic, commentator or columnist ever named Marciano (nor Tyson) to be the greatest....they know better I form my own opinion...if there is a commentator that has seen every boxer in the top 10...then I will listen to them...but most are in their 30's or 40's = did not see said fighters (max kellerman, brian kenney, etc.)[QUOTE="SlaYeR4You"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I hate this argument... People say: Jim Brown is not the best RB ever because he did not play against the best (today's athletes) Wilt Chamberlain was not the best ever because he did not play against the best (MJ, Magic, etc.) Blah, Blah, Blah 1. You can only play against/fight who is available during your era 2. Of course the further along in history, the "better" the players/fighters are -they are bigger, faster, stronger, train longer, eat better, and take better care of their bodies than they did 10/25/50/100 years ago. -Back in the day players/fighters had "real" jobs, in addition to playing sports. 3. But if the older fighters/players were alive today, they would have all the advantages of today's athletes...they would still dominate. 4. You honestly think a fighter that went 49-0 retired because he was afraid...really...that is you argument. 5. He was the only great to retire and stay retired...he beat everyone of his day...knew when his time was over...and retired...that takes real courage. 6. Ali lost fights before, during, after his prime. -He did not even dominate everyone in his own era. 7. You are playing the "what if" game...what if Rocky had the same opponents as Ali...what if Tyson never goes to jail...what if Roy Jones Jr. doesn't get disqualified for his first loss and keeps his undefeated streak alive...what if, what if, what if -Base it on Stats...Rocky was the best ever of his particular era...He dominated his era like no one ever has...case closedrawsavon
PROOF from the movie Coming to America that Rocky Marciano is the GOAT
LINK
-watch out for the language kids
I win :P
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