Amongst Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye?
The Hulk followed by Loki ( inspite he's antgonist, love his character very much in Avengers )
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I too have a soft spot for the Hulk. He is probably the most powerful avenger but has to restrain his power unless it is absolutely necessary. I believe there is a "Hulk" in all of us to some degree and our ability to channel that into positive directions is just as challenging as it is for the Hulk.
Amongst Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye?
The Hulk followed by Loki ( inspite he's antgonist, love his character very much in Avengers )
Probably Captain America.
Now, granted, in the first Avengers movie, Hulk gave me the most "nerdgasm" moments. But to be fair, he was less of a "character" in that movie and more "a totally awesome "Thing' that just fucks things up in an awesome way."
In other words...in terms of action and fight scenes, I just REALLY like seeing The Hulk demonstrate his powers. But that's just me sort of revelling in my inner Michael Bay. As far as "characters" go, Captain America is by far the most appealing to me.
Amongst Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye?
The Hulk followed by Loki ( inspite he's antgonist, love his character very much in Avengers )
Probably Captain America.
Now, granted, in the first Avengers movie, Hulk gave me the most "nerdgasm" moments. But to be fair, he was less of a "character" in that movie and more "a totally awesome "Thing' that just fucks things up in an awesome way."
In other words...in terms of action and fight scenes, I just REALLY like seeing The Hulk demonstrate his powers. But that's just me sort of revelling in my inner Michael Bay. As far as "characters" go, Captain America is by far the most appealing to me.
puny god :P
@davillain-: I always found it quite pathetic that a God can't just automatically defeat everyone...
Never been much of a marvel person. I guess Daredevil based on the tv series if that counts.
The Avengers themselfs (at least in the movies) kinda seem like they are in a sitcom or something, no real threat. You see daredevil getting worn out and tired with basic fights in the tv show, badly damaged. It makes him more interesting.
@davillain-: I always found it quite pathetic that a God can't just automatically defeat everyone...
Actually Thor isn't technically a God so to speak. I'm not really a Marvel fan die hard but I always consider him a Demigod.
Thor is son of Odin and Gaea, both gods, so why would he be a demigod? Demigods are children of a god and a mortal. Now if you say he's a minor deity that's a different story but he's god of thunder...doesn't sound very minor.
@korvus: Old world Gods, man. You've gotta think more along the lines of a multitude of Gods each with individual powers rather than the omnipotent monotheist God of the Abrahamic tradition.
Heck, in Lovecraft's stories Gods could be kept in check by a handful of words and some water.
@mattbbpl: I wasn't comparing him to God, but you have to admit that a god that is only as powerful as an enhanced guy, a guy in a metal suit and maybe less powerful that a dude that turns green when he's angry is a bit ridiculous...it's the problem of creating these all powerful beings and then having to take them down several notches and equalise them with everyone they work with...can't wait to see a guy who got bitten by a radioactive spider being as powerful as a god.
It's the superman syndrome "I'm the most powerful man in the universe and I will crush you with 2 fingers...unless you just so happen to be in possession of a glowing rock which happens to turn me into a defenseless kitten".
I haven't read Lovecraft but I don't think he uses gods already present in "real" mythology, does he? I always avoid writing gods into my stories but when I have to I always make sure there are some measurements in place, even if it's something as simple of it being a less powerful avatar of the god because he/she can't leave whatever dimension they're in. Writing a god and then pairing him up with a regular person and all of a sudden they're a team sounds ridiculous =P
@korvus: Ah, I see what you're saying now. Marvel (and other comic book universes) have definitely always had power scale issues. It varies from author to author and circumstance to circumstance, even as they attempt to box so-and-so into a box as being less powerful than this-other-guy (for example, Spiderman and Captain America are both on the weakest end of the spectrum, I believe, while not much else in the Marvel universe can actually go toe-to-toe with the Hulk).
And yeah, that's where they have to write in weaknesses in the characters which range from the ridiculous (kryptonite) to the arguably clever (Hulk not being able to control himself/think tactically) otherwise there would be no conflict. The concept at large is really pretty silly, and I think to enjoy them without completely shutting off your brain you almost need to look for the deeper side-conflict (hopefully the writers had the forethought and decency to write some type of sub-conflict in - so far they've done pretty well with that in the MCU).
Lovecraft has his own mythology - His own Gods, his own rules, and his own history. His Gods are kind of in the middle, I guess, between old world Gods and omnipotent beings. They're immortal, but they're currently held in check in various ways. The thing about Lovecraft's Gods is that, in most of the stories, they perform little to no actions. They're whispered about, alluded to, and seen largely indirectly because if they ever actually were released it's understood that it would be game over.
Lovecraft's Gods are mostly about the creation of a sense of dread and antique mystique. They're about creating a sense of something long forgotten and malevolent from the world of our ancient past lying beneath the modern world we're building up in the present.
@mattbbpl: And I think that's perfect...using gods to give a wider view of how far the "food chain" can go is great. Every now and then you are in awe at what a character just did and then you remember that at any time a god can join the conflict and that character can just get squashed like a bug. It's a sense of dread, a sense of "maybe all this is for nothing". Not to mention that if you create your own universe you can do whatever you want...normally on my novels (sorry I keep bringing them up) I don't even write gods as the top tier...they are vastly more powerful than a human but not so powerful that they can just level civilisations...I guess that's what they were going for with Thor...they were all powerful because there was nobody advanced enough to give them pause, but when you use a god who's already written in ancient mythology and then downgrade them this much it just feels wrong. Right now the difference between Thor and X-Men's Storm is that she wouldn't be able to lift the hammer (sounds like a dick joke...) and punch people across the room.
It's like if I wrote the the 4 Horsemen being defeated by a janitor with a mop...I can, but it doesn't sit well because we already have an image of what the Horsemen power is like...you can add to it but it's harder to remove from it, if I'm making any sense.
@korvus: Yeah, you're making sense. And I agree. Regarding Marvel, DC, etc. we're not talking about high literature - it's just highly polished schlock.
You should read some Lovecraft, it sounds like you might like him. I'd recommend reading two (he only wrote short stories, so it's not much of an investment) to see if you like what he's all about - At the Mountains of Madness and The Shadow Over Innsmouth.
Better yet, his stuff is all public domain, so it can be easily found on the web.
Thanos.
Haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, but comic Thanos has always been my favourite antagonist. He's an excellent way of bringing out the best in all Marvel's characters.
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