Who Killed WCW?

Earlier this morning, I was playing around in Netflix on PS3 and then came across WCW Rise and Fall. I actually sat and watched it all andIt seemed The death of WCW was a combination ofThe AOL Merger with Ted Turner, Eric Bishoff, Kevin Nash,( I didnt know he was a bookie) Vince Russo and Vince Mchahon. The AOL executives didn't wan't wrestling so I blame them for that. But Vince Mchaon is bogus for notkeeping WCW in production after the buyout. I like what Goldberg said in the documentary pointing out nocompetetion ruined wrestling today.

I wish WCW was still around just because of how boring and lame WWE has become. It's sad that wrestling as a whole is pretty much dead.

Why should McMahon keep a production company alive as a rival after he's bought it out? That makes no sense whatsoever, especially sense WWE became stronger as a result (at least in the short time by acquiring the likes of Jericho, Mysterio, Benoit, Guerrero, etc.). Watching the movie, the one thing that truly killed WCW was no one entity in particular but a pure lack of direction. And it's starting to happen to TNA.bigdcstile

The Finger Poke of Doom.

The WWE killed WCW when they started showing a WHOLE LOT more skin on the ladies and the goofy non-wrestling stuff like sticking a guy in a car and then dropping the car into a metal compactor nonsense.

I remember during the height of the war, wheenver Stacy Kebiler "climbed" over the rope into the ring, they would zoom in on her rear-end. Later, they tok the camera away right before she started to climb up to the ropes. They also had bloodier Pay Per Views and more over-the-top wrestling and performances. Steve Austin drinking beers non-stop.They brought in Mankind/Cactus Jack/whatever else his name was to do the sick stuff too.etc...Jerry Lawler was going "PUPPIES" crazy every week. It was basically all over-the-top.

Then once the WWE got on top for good, they scaled back all the extreme stuff so Linda McMahon could try to run for congress and be "respectable"

lol

It was all about terrible booking, terrible backstage behavior of people like Flair, Nash, Bishoff who held down younger guys. It was also because while they had cruiserweight division, their main events usually sucked. No one wanted to see Scott Steiner be champ for a year. WCW killed itself in the long run.

I wish WCW was still around just because of how boring and lame WWE has become. It's sad that wrestling as a whole is pretty much dead.

Pirate700

The WWE killed WCW when they started showing a WHOLE LOT more skin on the ladies and the goofy non-wrestling stuff like sticking a guy in a car and then dropping the car into a metal compactor nonsense.

I remember during the height of the war, wheenver Stacy Kebiler "climbed" over the rope into the ring, they would zoom in on her rear-end. Later, they tok the camera away right before she started to climb up to the ropes. They also had bloodier Pay Per Views and more over-the-top wrestling and performances. Steve Austin drinking beers non-stop.They brought in Mankind/Cactus Jack/whatever else his name was to do the sick stuff too.etc...Jerry Lawler was going "PUPPIES" crazy every week. It was basically all over-the-top.

Then once the WWE got on top for good, they scaled back all the extreme stuff so Linda McMahon could try to run for congress and be "respectable"

lol

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"]Why should McMahon keep a production company alive as a rival after he's bought it out? That makes no sense whatsoever, especially sense WWE became stronger as a result (at least in the short time by acquiring the likes of Jericho, Mysterio, Benoit, Guerrero, etc.). Watching the movie, the one thing that truly killed WCW was no one entity in particular but a pure lack of direction. And it's starting to happen to TNA.PSP107

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

The WWE killed WCW when they started showing a WHOLE LOT more skin on the ladies and the goofy non-wrestling stuff like sticking a guy in a car and then dropping the car into a metal compactor nonsense.

I remember during the height of the war, wheenver Stacy Kebiler "climbed" over the rope into the ring, they would zoom in on her rear-end. Later, they tok the camera away right before she started to climb up to the ropes. They also had bloodier Pay Per Views and more over-the-top wrestling and performances. Steve Austin drinking beers non-stop.They brought in Mankind/Cactus Jack/whatever else his name was to do the sick stuff too.etc...Jerry Lawler was going "PUPPIES" crazy every week. It was basically all over-the-top.

Then once the WWE got on top for good, they scaled back all the extreme stuff so Linda McMahon could try to run for congress and be "respectable"

lol

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

The WWE killed WCW when they started showing a WHOLE LOT more skin on the ladies and the goofy non-wrestling stuff like sticking a guy in a car and then dropping the car into a metal compactor nonsense.

I remember during the height of the war, wheenver Stacy Kebiler "climbed" over the rope into the ring, they would zoom in on her rear-end. Later, they tok the camera away right before she started to climb up to the ropes. They also had bloodier Pay Per Views and more over-the-top wrestling and performances. Steve Austin drinking beers non-stop.They brought in Mankind/Cactus Jack/whatever else his name was to do the sick stuff too.etc...Jerry Lawler was going "PUPPIES" crazy every week. It was basically all over-the-top.

Then once the WWE got on top for good, they scaled back all the extreme stuff so Linda McMahon could try to run for congress and be "respectable"

lol

bigdcstile

With the little amount of likeable talent they have, it'll never be as popular. Rock isn't going to wrestle, if he is MAYBE a match. He's there just to try to lure people like me who gave up on it long ago for MMA. I used to go to shows and watch every week, but oh my god I can't stand it now. Sometimes TNA is alright because Styles and Samoa Joe are the best wrestlers I ever seen. Even better then legendary Bret Hart.

I lost interest in WCW when they made David Arquette WCW Champion. I'm sure Russo, Hogan, Nash,Ted Turner played a part too.

I recorded every Monday Nitro since hogan up untill McMahon Jr came on (Final Nitro)

I think the N.W.O killed WCW..it became so over played and predictable that people turned to RAW.

Every monday it had a few more EX WWF/WWE talent bought out who would appear on Nitro/talk smack about RAW and then vanish.

And Every match was the same..the NWO would run out and ruin it.

At three points WCW had a chance

1 - Ultimate warrior

2 - The new blood idea

3 - Bret Hart..but he did nothing but complain and JOINED THE NWO

The WWF changed..they gave nobodies from WCW a chance like Stunning steve austin and triple H and Later ex 4 horsemen like Benoit or Eddie guerro.

WWF took the "lackies" and gave them a chance and they brought ratings WCW could only dream of.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

The WWE killed WCW when they started showing a WHOLE LOT more skin on the ladies and the goofy non-wrestling stuff like sticking a guy in a car and then dropping the car into a metal compactor nonsense.

I remember during the height of the war, wheenver Stacy Kebiler "climbed" over the rope into the ring, they would zoom in on her rear-end. Later, they tok the camera away right before she started to climb up to the ropes. They also had bloodier Pay Per Views and more over-the-top wrestling and performances. Steve Austin drinking beers non-stop.They brought in Mankind/Cactus Jack/whatever else his name was to do the sick stuff too.etc...Jerry Lawler was going "PUPPIES" crazy every week. It was basically all over-the-top.

Then once the WWE got on top for good, they scaled back all the extreme stuff so Linda McMahon could try to run for congress and be "respectable"

lol

bigdcstile

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Do they even wrestle at all anymore? I've caught a few episodes here and there recently and there was like one match the whole show.

frostybanana

[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="bigdcstile"] The biggest problems with WWE is the fact that it's no longer TV-14, it's appealing to the youth more than the wrestling purists. It's why Cena is being pushed as the big baby face that can do no wrong. And it's really pushing away all of the regular fans, tis why they're trying to bring back the Rock which, I must say, might actually work.bigdcstile

Many things killed WCW: Ted Turner, some overzealous people who ran the company. etc.etc. There is a free video on Netflix about the demise of WCW. Watch it. And, no, WCW did not suck. Ir consistently beat WWE Raw week in and week out in the ratings. I miss it a lot. Although a lot of WCW wrestlers are currently on theWWE roster, some never made the transition. Sting, for one, whon I loved.

All I can say is that Vince did not screw WCW; WCW screwed WCW.

The folks running the show at WCW killed it. They turned the company into a goddamn joke. They drug the NWO crap out for years longer than it needed to go on. They had Goldberg squash timeless franchise stars like Sting. They threw away any respectability their titles had by making David Arquette their world champion. They relied too much on washed-up old fossils that WWF had cast off. And then there's the Fingerpoke of Doom. And it wasn't so much that AOL/Time-Warner didn't want wrestling, it's that they didn't want to keep a company that was hemmoraging money afloat. Had WCW been profitable they certainly would have been happy to keep it.

As far as Vince McMahon goes he really had no reason to try to revive the company. The only reason h bought it in the first place was to get their video archives.

I lost interest in WCW when they made David Arquette WCW Champion. I'm sure Russo, Hogan, Nash,Ted Turner played a part too.

pero2008

The main thing I remember from WCW was a monster truck battle on the roof of some arena. WTF?

Technically, Time Warner killed WCW. When they bought it out, they didn't want anything to do with wrestling so they let Vince take it over. Of course there are many reasons for WCW's downfall, one being the backstage antics of people like Hogan and Nash, who constantly demanded the most money and dominated the top spots, holding back guys like Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, etc. Another being Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara running rampant on the company without a higher up to filter the good ideas from the crappy ones. Also, there were several individual events such as the Fingerpoke of Doom and the Hogan vs. Sting disaster that contributed to the ratings decline and eventual demise of WCW. And of course Vince McMahon was starting to get his **** together, and he was blessed with a series of events (i.e. Montreal Screwjob, Stone Cold Steve Austin) that helped turn the tide in the ratings war. And once WWF was carrying the ball, they ran with it and drove WCW into the ground ratings wise. So yeah, it's a combination of things.

WCW killed itself.. You know it's funny how some people wish WCW is still alive.. They all must have forgot how horrible that show is.. You think WWE today is lame, man it's nothing compared to what WCW is towards the end..Ronstera

The main reason they wish it was alive is so WWE would have competition and be forced to better itself.

WCW killed itself.. You know it's funny how some people wish WCW is still alive.. They all must have forgot how horrible that show is.. You think WWE today is lame, man it's nothing compared to what WCW is towards the end..Ronstera

[QUOTE="Ronstera"]WCW killed itself.. You know it's funny how some people wish WCW is still alive.. They all must have forgot how horrible that show is.. You think WWE today is lame, man it's nothing compared to what WCW is towards the end..Radiatedrich91

The main reason they wish it was alive is so WWE would have competition and be forced to better itself.

[QUOTE="Ronstera"] if you need to remeber how bad the end of WCW was just watch TNA. [QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="Ronstera"]WCW killed itself.. You know it's funny how some people wish WCW is still alive.. They all must have forgot how horrible that show is.. You think WWE today is lame, man it's nothing compared to what WCW is towards the end..kayoticdreamz

The main reason they wish it was alive is so WWE would have competition and be forced to better itself.

TNA and ROH aren't even big enough to be legit competition though.

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"][QUOTE="Ronstera"]

The main reason they wish it was alive is so WWE would have competition and be forced to better itself.

Radiatedrich91

TNA and ROH aren't even big enough to be legit competition though.

Yeah, I remember last year TNA went head-to-head against Raw, and they got creamed in ratings. TNA kept getting 0.5s while WWE did well over a 3.0. TNA pulled out of the "war" and returned to Thursday nights. TNA is repeating the same mistakes WCW made, and I can't believe Russo is still employed.

ROH isn't that big of a threat; I don't think they have a TV deal.

Who Killed WCW? Is such a complex question.

Wrestlers:
You could blame some wrestlers who used creative control, or plain refused to job to certain wrestlers they felt were beneath them or felt threatened as they thought they were capable of taking their "spot" or others that would demand a wage increase as soon as someone else was bought in on comparative or better wages than they were on. Also (if there is any truth in it), the divides in the locker room between certain cliques could be blamed as any locker unity would be difficult to maintain especially if claims of racism towards the hispanic wrestlers was true.

Bookers / Road Agents:
if any of the problems above happened then the road agents should have done something to solve the problem but wre either part of the problem or unwilling so it seems to offer a solution. and they let cliques and divisions form in the locker room. Also they could be blamed for not using all the talent at their disposal, bad angles, bad writing, bad gimmics, etc, etc.

Upper Management:
Pandering to the demands of prima-donna established wrestlers, nepotism, collusion, mis management of the company, it's finances, and the business as a whole, paying over inflated contracts to wrestlers to make sure they never signed for another company,

Of course, all of this is either rumors, speculation, stories made up to continue the myth or truths hidden amongst back biting and over exageration, not sure we will ever know the full truth as so many people willing to point the finger of accusation onto someone else and away from them.

I haven't watched any sort of wrestling since The Rock, and Stone Cold left. Pretty lame now for me.

Huge egos are what killed WCW. The older wreslters like Hogan and Nash were given too much power which led to them not wanting to put new stars over. The only new star they created was Goldberg by then it was too late. There awful booking was helping much either. There was a lot of problems in WCWs last days which is way wreslters like Jericho and Big Show left they knew it was going under.

The Finger Poke of Doom.

Tangmashi

This, the period around then just turned me off watching it all.

They just became rich, spoiled kids spending daddy Teds money.ElMikeO

Yep. And Ted was so enamored of his rasslin' show that he basically handed them an open checkbook and let them do whatever the hell they wanted. Had he acted like the smart businessman that he supposedly is and put his foot down that company might have survived.

There could be many names mentioned but as I said in my first post there was a indemic culture of passing the buck, and the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing, really you would have to start from the top down because ultimately it is the bosses that hold the purse strings and allow their subordinates to hire and release wrestlers, but then right down the food chain there are people responsible for mismanagement, letting, as someone said, their ego get out of control, and those in it purely to feather their own nest. It is a shame really as the whole WCW/NWO angle was one of the best angles in wrestling at the time when it started but it was diluted (by adding too many people) and, forcing many very talented wrestlers to become also rans by making them job.

Guys wrestling is fake. I think I know why grown men enjoy watching sweaty men grappling each other whilst wearing tight speedos.

[QUOTE="Tangmashi"]

The Finger Poke of Doom.

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This, the period around then just turned me off watching it all.