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vs. Georges St. Pierre

I know who I'd take.. no doubt. But how about the rest of Gamespot?

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bruce lee is featherweight-light weight, gsp is welterweight.

gsp would take him down is seconds and GnP his ***.

a better match up is bruce lee vs jose aldo or bj penn. jose aldo would destroy.

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Lee was a stand-up fighter with very little training in grappling, and his martial arts were more about flash than practicality. St. Pierre would get him to the ground and win by tapout, easily.
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I think the science of fighting--not to mention the level of competition--has advanced considerably in the last couple decades. Bruce Lee would have no chance against a modern top-tier welterweight.

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bruce lee is featherweight-light weight, gsp is welterweight.

gsp would take him down is seconds and GnP his ***.

a better match up is bruce lee vs jose aldo or bj penn. jose aldo would destroy.

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My thoughts exactly. And I know they are at very different weights.. that is why I said "pound for pound".

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So far, I'm impressed with Gamespot's thoughts.

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#7 GrabTheYayo
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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

bruce lee is featherweight-light weight, gsp is welterweight.

gsp would take him down is seconds and GnP his ***.

a better match up is bruce lee vs jose aldo or bj penn. jose aldo would destroy.

BMD004

My thoughts exactly. And I know they are at very different weights.. that is why I said "pound for pound".

P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

bruce lee is featherweight-light weight, gsp is welterweight.

gsp would take him down is seconds and GnP his ***.

a better match up is bruce lee vs jose aldo or bj penn. jose aldo would destroy.

GrabTheYayo

My thoughts exactly. And I know they are at very different weights.. that is why I said "pound for pound".

P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

Personally, I think GSP can destroy Anderson Silva at a catch-weight. That opinion isn't that popular, but I think GSP's wrestling is too good. He can take Anderson down and his jiu jitsu is good, so he won't get submitted. Honestly, I think Anderson is going to have problems with Chael Sonnen... he hasn't fought a wrestler like that before.

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] My thoughts exactly. And I know they are at very different weights.. that is why I said "pound for pound".

BMD004

P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

Personally, I think GSP can destroy Anderson Silva at a catch-weight. That opinion isn't that popular, but I think GSP's wrestling is too good. He can take Anderson down and his jiu jitsu is good, so he won't get submitted. Honestly, I think Anderson is going to have problems with Chael Sonnen... he hasn't fought a wrestler like that before.

i dont think chael will give him problems. he will prob take him down but get submited though. anyways i hope silva doesnt lose anytime soon. a fight between shogun and silva is a fight i want to see before i die. and if one loses then that fight is most likley off.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

GrabTheYayo

Personally, I think GSP can destroy Anderson Silva at a catch-weight. That opinion isn't that popular, but I think GSP's wrestling is too good. He can take Anderson down and his jiu jitsu is good, so he won't get submitted. Honestly, I think Anderson is going to have problems with Chael Sonnen... he hasn't fought a wrestler like that before.

i dont think chael will give him problems. he will prob take him down but get submited though. anyways i hope silva doesnt lose anytime soon. a fight between shogun and silva is a fight i want to see before i die. and if one loses then that fight is most likley off.

Oh it is very possible that Chael will get knocked out or submitted. But it is also very possible that Chael will take him down (he will at some point unless he gets KO'd in under a minute), and beat Anderson down. Jiu Jitsu isn't easy when you have a wrestler in top control constantly throwing punches at your face.
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I think the science of fighting--not to mention the level of competition--has advanced considerably in the last couple decades. Bruce Lee would have no chance against a modern top-tier welterweight.

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Bruce Lee would actually kill him.. i sense these things..
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Bruce Lee would actually kill him.. i sense these things..Strider_91
well alright, that makes sense.
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I strive for open mindedness. ... I still have a hard time understanding anyone saying anyone other than "Bruce Lee" in these sorts of situations until I remember that Bruce died before a lot of people on here were born.
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While Bruce Lee was great for his time, if he were alive today he'd be out-fought by any top fighter.

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Depends on the scenario. In a street fight, Bruce lee would kill GSP, but in a MMA match, GSP would probably beat Bruce Lee......
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Bruce Lee, any day, month, hour, minute, or second of the year.

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Lee would kill him.

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#19 Palantas
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I've got a better one: Brock Lesnar versus Steven Seagal. I'm quite sure Seagal's currently a heavyweight.

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I think the science of fighting--not to mention the level of competition--has advanced considerably in the last couple decades. Bruce Lee would have no chance against a modern top-tier welterweight.

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Thank you, Kid Cudi. Are you the Kid Cudi? I like that "Day and Night" song.

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Depends on the scenario. In a street fight, Bruce lee would kill GSP, but in a MMA match, GSP would probably beat Bruce Lee......JonnyEagle
Why would that matter? GSP would win in the street or in an MMA fight. You think just because people fight in a cage that they can't fight if there are no walls around them?
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I strive for open mindedness. ... I still have a hard time understanding anyone saying anyone other than "Bruce Lee" in these sorts of situations until I remember that Bruce died before a lot of people on here were born.

When have you EVER seen Bruce Lee fight that wasn't in a movie? When have you EVER seen him fight for real? Don't worry, I'll wait.
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Bruce Lee, any day, month, hour, minute, or second of the year.

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You don't even know who Georges St-Pierre is, do you?
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Jason Momoa. I'm jk.

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Given the significant 30lb weight advantage and superb wrestling for fighting, sooner or later, Lee is taken down and held there. GSP, the last 3 years, has become a wrestling machine to avoid having any chance of getting hurt. Lee is likely much faster, but size and wrestling give GSP th edge.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] My thoughts exactly. And I know they are at very different weights.. that is why I said "pound for pound".

P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

Personally, I think GSP can destroy Anderson Silva at a catch-weight. That opinion isn't that popular, but I think GSP's wrestling is too good. He can take Anderson down and his jiu jitsu is good, so he won't get submitted. Honestly, I think Anderson is going to have problems with Chael Sonnen... he hasn't fought a wrestler like that before.

Silva already fought a better wrestler in Henderson and had plenty of trouble in the 1st round with. Hendo decided to stand in 2nd, instead of wrestling, which helped to win him the 1st.
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Depends on the scenario. In a street fight, Bruce lee would kill GSP, but in a MMA match, GSP would probably beat Bruce Lee......JonnyEagle
why because eye gauging and ball stomping is a science that only bruce lee can be good at? lol. no gsp would murder him in or out the cage. anybody can poke someones eyes or kick them in the balls. my little sister does it. so does alot of woman who get harassed.

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Definitely Bruce Lee..

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[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]Depends on the scenario. In a street fight, Bruce lee would kill GSP, but in a MMA match, GSP would probably beat Bruce Lee......GrabTheYayo

why because eye gauging and ball stomping is a science that only bruce lee can be good at? lol. no gsp would murder him in or out the cage. anybody can poke someones eyes or kick them in the balls. my little sister does it. so does alot of woman who get harassed.

No, because Lee would have a submachinegun in the street fight. Then he'd beat GSP with it, proving he's the better fighter.

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]Depends on the scenario. In a street fight, Bruce lee would kill GSP, but in a MMA match, GSP would probably beat Bruce Lee......Palantas

why because eye gauging and ball stomping is a science that only bruce lee can be good at? lol. no gsp would murder him in or out the cage. anybody can poke someones eyes or kick them in the balls. my little sister does it. so does alot of woman who get harassed.

No, because Lee would have a submachinegun in the street fight. Then he'd beat GSP with it, proving he's the better fighter.

Martial Arts are made of more then just eye gouging and ball stomping...i'm fairly certain most types of Martial Arts don't even use those methods...where'd you learn this from..Kill Bill?..

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]P4P i think gsp would destroy anybody, even anderson silva.

Personally, I think GSP can destroy Anderson Silva at a catch-weight. That opinion isn't that popular, but I think GSP's wrestling is too good. He can take Anderson down and his jiu jitsu is good, so he won't get submitted. Honestly, I think Anderson is going to have problems with Chael Sonnen... he hasn't fought a wrestler like that before.

Silva already fought a better wrestler in Henderson and had plenty of trouble in the 1st round with. Hendo decided to stand in 2nd, instead of wrestling, which helped to win him the 1st.

Henderson isn't a superior wrestler. He has the credentials as a greco-roman guy, but in MMA, his wrestling is sub par. Case in point being his loss to Jake Shields, where Jake took him down repeatedly.
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]why because eye gauging and ball stomping is a science that only bruce lee can be good at? lol. no gsp would murder him in or out the cage. anybody can poke someones eyes or kick them in the balls. my little sister does it. so does alot of woman who get harassed.

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No, because Lee would have a submachinegun in the street fight. Then he'd beat GSP with it, proving he's the better fighter.

Martial Arts are made of more then just eye gouging and ball stomping...i'm fairly certain most types of Martial Arts don't even use those methods...where'd you learn this from..Kill Bill?..

He's replying to the guy who said Lee would win in a street fight, where GSP would win in the cage. The only thing different from the cage and a street fight is that in the street, there are no rules. So you can eye gouge, bite, and kick in the balls. His point was that it's not like ball shots and eye gouges are very technical moves that only "street fighters" can do. If Lee can do that, then GSP can too. By the way, GSP fights for real, and is the best at what he does. Lee was an actor, who also practiced martial arts.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

No, because Lee would have a submachinegun in the street fight. Then he'd beat GSP with it, proving he's the better fighter.

BMD004

Martial Arts are made of more then just eye gouging and ball stomping...i'm fairly certain most types of Martial Arts don't even use those methods...where'd you learn this from..Kill Bill?..

He's replying to the guy who said Lee would win in a street fight, where GSP would win in the cage. The only thing different from the cage and a street fight is that in the street, there are no rules. So you can eye gouge, bite, and kick in the balls. His point was that it's not like ball shots and eye gouges are very technical moves that only "street fighters" can do. If Lee can do that, then GSP can too. By the way, GSP fights for real, and is the best at what he does. Lee was an actor, who also practiced martial arts.

Actually he created his own fighting style..and he was fairly proficient in Martial Arts..he even instructed.. And oh, i didn't know that's what he was referring to..
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Guys.. Bruce Lee was at a level of discipline and physical conditioning that non of the current MMA fighters even approach. He combined so many fighting styles seamlessly into one. He was so much faster than these guys. Let's not even try to compare Bruce Lee to these strokers. I doubt if any of these guys would've been able to hit Bruce, or block most of his attacks. Have you seen the guy on film? They used to have to increase the film from 24 to 30fps just to get some of his moves on tape, and those were watered-down for the movies.

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bruce lee would get taken down and ground and pounded/sub'ed by any light weight in the ufc, given that, i choose gsp
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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Martial Arts are made of more then just eye gouging and ball stomping...i'm fairly certain most types of Martial Arts don't even use those methods...where'd you learn this from..Kill Bill?..

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He's replying to the guy who said Lee would win in a street fight, where GSP would win in the cage. The only thing different from the cage and a street fight is that in the street, there are no rules. So you can eye gouge, bite, and kick in the balls. His point was that it's not like ball shots and eye gouges are very technical moves that only "street fighters" can do. If Lee can do that, then GSP can too. By the way, GSP fights for real, and is the best at what he does. Lee was an actor, who also practiced martial arts.

Actually he created his own fighting style..and he was fairly proficient in Martial Arts..he even instructed.. And oh, i didn't know that's what he was referring to..

I know all about JKD. My uncle is a JDK instructor in California. He was a student under Dan Inosanto, who was a student of Bruce Lee's. My uncle was friends with Bruce. Having said that, I know what JDK is all about and have trained with my uncle. And the fact is that a lot of it is not practical in a real fight. He was proficient in a few traditional martial arts, like Wing Chun, but so what? The fighting game today is SO MUCH more advanced than it was back then. Mixed Martial arts takes the most efficient working techniques and puts them all together. There are better ways to train now, also. It is just so much more evolved than fighting was even just 10 years ago.

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bruce lee would get taken down and ground and pounded/sub'ed by any light weight in the ufc, given that, i choose gspUnknownmuncher

It's sad how many of you guys think that fighting has someone gotten better or more advanced. These MMA fighters are freaking cavemen compared to Bruce Lee. He was so much faster than anybody these meatheads have every faced. I bet they would've never laid a hand on him. He would've made a mockery of them.

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most fighters worth their salt would be warry of taking on Lee in his prime. His speed and strength for his size is still legendary. Who would win? Not sure. But I sure and hell wouldn't count Lee out of anything.
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Guys.. Bruce Lee was at a level of discipline and physical conditioning that non of the current MMA fighters even approach. He combined so many fighting styles seamlessly into one. He was so much faster than these guys. Let's not even try to compare Bruce Lee to these strokers. I doubt if any of these guys would've been able to hit Bruce, or block most of his attacks. Have you seen the guy on film? They used to have to increase the film from 24 to 30fps just to get some of his moves on tape, and those were watered-down for the movies.

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That is so much **** that I don't even know where to begin. He was quick, but that is because he weighed so little. Go look at some of the really light weight guys in the WEC. And you said it yourself.. watch him ON FILM. Why on film? Because he wasn't a fighter. He was an actor who practiced martial arts. What would Bruce do when a wrestler puts him in a double leg and takes him to the ground? What would happen when a Muay Thai fighter puts him in the clinch and feeds knees to his face? He doesn't even know what a butterfly guard is or mission control. He could not compete with today's fighters. The ONLY record of Bruce having any fights was when he was 18. He fought some college guys in boxing matches in a small college in California. He struggled. If he is struggling with college level boxers in the 1950s, then how the **** do you think he would beat the best martial artists in the world in 2010?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="BMD004"] He's replying to the guy who said Lee would win in a street fight, where GSP would win in the cage. The only thing different from the cage and a street fight is that in the street, there are no rules. So you can eye gouge, bite, and kick in the balls. His point was that it's not like ball shots and eye gouges are very technical moves that only "street fighters" can do. If Lee can do that, then GSP can too. By the way, GSP fights for real, and is the best at what he does. Lee was an actor, who also practiced martial arts.BMD004

Actually he created his own fighting style..and he was fairly proficient in Martial Arts..he even instructed.. And oh, i didn't know that's what he was referring to..

I know all about JKD. My uncle is a JDK instructor in California. He was a student under Dan Inosanto, who was a student of Bruce Lee's. My uncle was friends with Bruce. Having said that, I know what JDK is all about and have trained with my uncle. And the fact is that a lot of it is not practical in a real fight. He was proficient in a few traditional martial arts, like Wing Chun, but so what? The fighting game today is SO MUCH more advanced than it was back then. Mixed Martial arts takes the most efficient working techniques and puts them all together. There are better ways to train now, also. It is just so much more evolved than fighting was even just 10 years ago.

He created his own style...as i said...and martial arts are pretty effective if one gets into a fight...and you should know what it teaches since you know about one style..at the very least you'll be able to move quicker then your opponent..
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[QUOTE="Unknownmuncher"]bruce lee would get taken down and ground and pounded/sub'ed by any light weight in the ufc, given that, i choose gsphartsickdiscipl

It's sad how many of you guys think that fighting has someone gotten better or more advanced. These MMA fighters are freaking cavemen compared to Bruce Lee. He was so much faster than anybody these meatheads have every faced. I bet they would've never laid a hand on him. He would've made a mockery of them.

Do me a favor.. go to youtube, and look up some highlights of these people: Jose Aldo, Georges St-Pierre, Anderson Silva, and BJ Penn. You don't realize that real fights don't look like they do in the movies... even at the most elite level. Bruce was not a god of martial arts.. he was an actor who did cool things on the big screen.
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Guys.. Bruce Lee was at a level of discipline and physical conditioning that non of the current MMA fighters even approach. He combined so many fighting styles seamlessly into one. He was so much faster than these guys. Let's not even try to compare Bruce Lee to these strokers. I doubt if any of these guys would've been able to hit Bruce, or block most of his attacks. Have you seen the guy on film? They used to have to increase the film from 24 to 30fps just to get some of his moves on tape, and those were watered-down for the movies.

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That is so much **** that I don't even know where to begin. He was quick, but that is because he weighed so little. Go look at some of the really light weight guys in the WEC. And you said it yourself.. watch him ON FILM. Why on film? Because he wasn't a fighter. He was an actor who practiced martial arts. What would Bruce do when a wrestler puts him in a double leg and takes him to the ground? What would happen when a Muay Thai fighter puts him in the clinch and feeds knees to his face? He doesn't even know what a butterfly guard is or mission control. He could not compete with today's fighters. The ONLY record of Bruce having any fights was when he was 18. He fought some college guys in boxing matches in a small college in California. He struggled. If he is struggling with college level boxers in the 1950s, then how the **** do you think he would beat the best martial artists in the world in 2010?

I think you need to do a little more research on Bruce Lee's real life. To say that he wasn't a fighter is the most ridiculous lie I've heard in awhile. That's why he used to go to Martial Arts competitions and make a mockery of the best fighters of his day. Have you ever heard of the 1-inch punch? The wrestler would never even get his hands on Bruce, so he couldn't get him in a leg-lock. He wouldn't be taken to the ground, because he was so fast they couldn't even touch him. Hell, Chuck Norris circa 1976 would've killed current MMA fighters.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I strive for open mindedness. ... I still have a hard time understanding anyone saying anyone other than "Bruce Lee" in these sorts of situations until I remember that Bruce died before a lot of people on here were born.BMD004
When have you EVER seen Bruce Lee fight that wasn't in a movie? When have you EVER seen him fight for real? Don't worry, I'll wait.

Have you ever seen George St. Pierre fight outside the ring? There are a lot of rules to UFC.


Also, I read a book put together about Bruce Lee by his wife and someone else. There's a part where Bruce Lee supposedly closed all his schools. It explains the reason being that his goal was to overcome form...So, when I hear people saying "I was taught in Jeet Kune Do by this person," I wonder.

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[QUOTE="Unknownmuncher"]bruce lee would get taken down and ground and pounded/sub'ed by any light weight in the ufc, given that, i choose gspBMD004

It's sad how many of you guys think that fighting has someone gotten better or more advanced. These MMA fighters are freaking cavemen compared to Bruce Lee. He was so much faster than anybody these meatheads have every faced. I bet they would've never laid a hand on him. He would've made a mockery of them.

Do me a favor.. go to youtube, and look up some highlights of these people: Jose Aldo, Georges St-Pierre, Anderson Silva, and BJ Penn. You don't realize that real fights don't look like they do in the movies... even at the most elite level. Bruce was not a god of martial arts.. he was an actor who did cool things on the big screen.

I've watched these current MMA fighters. They're cavemen compared to the arts that Bruce practiced. When someone can punch you from 1-inch away and knock you back several feet on your ass, knocking the wind out of you, they're badass.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Actually he created his own fighting style..and he was fairly proficient in Martial Arts..he even instructed.. And oh, i didn't know that's what he was referring to..Xx_Hopeless_xX

I know all about JKD. My uncle is a JDK instructor in California. He was a student under Dan Inosanto, who was a student of Bruce Lee's. My uncle was friends with Bruce. Having said that, I know what JDK is all about and have trained with my uncle. And the fact is that a lot of it is not practical in a real fight. He was proficient in a few traditional martial arts, like Wing Chun, but so what? The fighting game today is SO MUCH more advanced than it was back then. Mixed Martial arts takes the most efficient working techniques and puts them all together. There are better ways to train now, also. It is just so much more evolved than fighting was even just 10 years ago.

He created his own style...as i said...and martial arts are pretty effective if one gets into a fight...and you should know what it teaches since you know about one style..at the very least you'll be able to move quicker then your opponent..

That makes sense if you are fighting somebody with NO MARTIAL ARTS EXPERIENCE. Having said that, these MMA fighters are HIGHLY SKILLED in MANY martial arts. Take Georges St. Pierre for example. He's a 4th degree black belt in Kyokushin Karate, a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, he's the best wrestler in MMA, and he trains in Muay Thai and boxing.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I strive for open mindedness. ... I still have a hard time understanding anyone saying anyone other than "Bruce Lee" in these sorts of situations until I remember that Bruce died before a lot of people on here were born.BranKetra
When have you EVER seen Bruce Lee fight that wasn't in a movie? When have you EVER seen him fight for real? Don't worry, I'll wait.

Have you ever seen George St. Pierre fight outside the ring? There are a lot of rules in UFC.

List of Fights outside of movies...

Lee was involved in competitive fights, some of which were arranged while others were not. Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division."[36] Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches.[37] Hawkings Cheung, his fellow Wing Chun street fighter, witnessed the event. Lee knocked-out Pu Chung, a Cai Li Fo fighter, in the roof tops of Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Wong Shun Leung.[38][39] The following year, Lee became a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocking him out, breaking his opponent's arm. The police were called as a result."[40] The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 P.M. on Wednesday, April 29, 1959.[41] In 1960 in Seattle, Lee backfisted and broke a man's nose after Lee saw him harassing a Chinese girl while Lee was taking a walk. This fight was witnessed by James DeMile in 1960.[citation needed] In 1962, Lee knocked out Uechi, a Japanese black belt Karateka, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Harts statement.[42] Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds – I know because I was the time keeper – and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him."[43] The fight ended by Bruce knocking Uechi the length of the gymnasium.[44] In Oakland, California in 1964 at Chinatown, Lee had a controversial private match with Wong Jack Man. According to Lee, the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to him to stop teaching non-Chinese; when he refused to comply he was challenged to a combat match with their top fighter Wong Jack Man.[40] Wong had mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai chi chuan while being a direct student of Ma Kin Fung. The arrangement was that if Lee lost he would have to shut down his school, if he won then Lee would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else.[40] Wong denies this, stating that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theater,[45] and that Wong himself did not discriminate against Caucasians or other non-Chinese.[46] However, contrary to this claimed motive is the signed formal letter manifested by Dan Chan with signatures by the martial art community, including Chan and Wong, as a petitioned document by the community does not correspond to the motive of responding to an open challenge.[original research?] "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me." - Bruce Lee Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20–25 minutes. Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai chi chuan. According to Bruce Lee, Linda Lee Cadwell, and James Yimm Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up." - Linda Lee Cadwell Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch.Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians. Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing into the backyard to incite Lee in combat. Lee finished the challenger violently with a kick, infuriated over the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states, One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?' And Bruce was poppin mad. He (Bruce) says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me.' He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life. Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and Lee's co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter." Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce. This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart. Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ass with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly." - Bob W

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="BMD004"] I know all about JKD. My uncle is a JDK instructor in California. He was a student under Dan Inosanto, who was a student of Bruce Lee's. My uncle was friends with Bruce. Having said that, I know what JDK is all about and have trained with my uncle. And the fact is that a lot of it is not practical in a real fight. He was proficient in a few traditional martial arts, like Wing Chun, but so what? The fighting game today is SO MUCH more advanced than it was back then. Mixed Martial arts takes the most efficient working techniques and puts them all together. There are better ways to train now, also. It is just so much more evolved than fighting was even just 10 years ago.

BMD004

He created his own style...as i said...and martial arts are pretty effective if one gets into a fight...and you should know what it teaches since you know about one style..at the very least you'll be able to move quicker then your opponent..

That makes sense if you are fighting somebody with NO MARTIAL ARTS EXPERIENCE. Having said that, these MMA fighters are HIGHLY SKILLED in MANY martial arts. Take Georges St. Pierre for example. He's a 4th degree black belt in Kyokushin Karate, a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, he's the best wrestler in MMA, and he trains in Muay Thai and boxing.

Which is what you stated before...that they'd be useless on the street..so i assumed you were talking about in general..Alright...and..?

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Guys.. Bruce Lee was at a level of discipline and physical conditioning that non of the current MMA fighters even approach. He combined so many fighting styles seamlessly into one. He was so much faster than these guys. Let's not even try to compare Bruce Lee to these strokers. I doubt if any of these guys would've been able to hit Bruce, or block most of his attacks. Have you seen the guy on film? They used to have to increase the film from 24 to 30fps just to get some of his moves on tape, and those were watered-down for the movies.

hartsickdiscipl

That is so much **** that I don't even know where to begin. He was quick, but that is because he weighed so little. Go look at some of the really light weight guys in the WEC. And you said it yourself.. watch him ON FILM. Why on film? Because he wasn't a fighter. He was an actor who practiced martial arts. What would Bruce do when a wrestler puts him in a double leg and takes him to the ground? What would happen when a Muay Thai fighter puts him in the clinch and feeds knees to his face? He doesn't even know what a butterfly guard is or mission control. He could not compete with today's fighters. The ONLY record of Bruce having any fights was when he was 18. He fought some college guys in boxing matches in a small college in California. He struggled. If he is struggling with college level boxers in the 1950s, then how the **** do you think he would beat the best martial artists in the world in 2010?

I think you need to do a little more research on Bruce Lee's real life. To say that he wasn't a fighter is the most ridiculous lie I've heard in awhile. That's why he used to go to Martial Arts competitions and make a mockery of the best fighters of his day. Have you ever heard of the 1-inch punch? The wrestler would never even get his hands on Bruce, so he couldn't get him in a leg-lock. He wouldn't be taken to the ground, because he was so fast they couldn't even touch him. Hell, Chuck Norris circa 1976 would've killed current MMA fighters.

Are you a troll? Bruce Lee never made a mockery of people in competitions. That is urban legend. I know all about the 1-inch punch. It's a useless gimimick. Chuck Norris killing current MMA fighters? Are you serious?
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]I strive for open mindedness. ... I still have a hard time understanding anyone saying anyone other than "Bruce Lee" in these sorts of situations until I remember that Bruce died before a lot of people on here were born.

When have you EVER seen Bruce Lee fight that wasn't in a movie? When have you EVER seen him fight for real? Don't worry, I'll wait.

Have you ever seen George St. Pierre fight outside the ring? There are a lot of rules in UFC.

There are rules... but he trains in martial arts. He doesn't train "UFC". He modifies his game to fit within the rules of the sport. That's not to say he has to follow rules in the street.. he already has legit martial arts credentials.