Why are gunowners becoming the scapegoat for troubled people?

In the wake of two awful incidents that have passed, and the rise of gun violence in certain areas in this country, why is it that the media just has to put the blame on the defenders of the domestic constitution? Why are we to blame when some idiot guns down 23 people with an ak-47 or some thug shoots and kills some little kid? Where has this country's sense of personal responsiblity gone? Even worse is how the youth in this country are being indoctrunated into thinking all gun-owners are bad, crazy people. It's sickening.

Anyone elses thoughts on this?

For the same reason video games, movies, music, etc are.

I was raised in a house with nine guns. I've recently started my own collection. Where I'm from gun ownership is just a normal every day thing.

I was raised in a house with nine guns. I've recently started my own collection. Where I'm from gun ownership is just a normal every day thing.

ScorpionTroll

Agreed, my father taught me from early on, how to responsbile use and store a gun and not once did I even think of using it on anyone.

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I was raised in a house with nine guns. I've recently started my own collection. Where I'm from gun ownership is just a normal every day thing.

PrototypeTheKid

Agreed, my father taught me from early on, how to responsbile use and store a gun and not once did I even think of using it on anyone.

But my dad is the one who really got me into guns. He would buy me powder-less bullets and grenades when I was 5 years old. We also shot his BB gun all the time. It wasn't untill I was 18 when I decided to take up guns for myself and actually go shooting.

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Kamekazi_69

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Kamekazi_69

Because violent games, music and movies are engineered and designed with killing things in mind, right?

No one blames gun owners, just guns in general. And for good reason. If you remove all guns you remove all gun crimes. America would become a safer place overnight if that were to ever happen. Unlikely however.FPSfan1985

And if everybody had a field of manna in their backyard no one would starve.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

l4dak47

because people are afraid to face the reality that there's something more fundamentally wrong with our society. I think it's because we are afraid of eachother.

the real answer IMO is to stop being afraid of eachother. stranger danger, being paranoid all the time, etc has got to stop.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

agpickle

Because violent games, music and movies are engineered and designed with killing things in mind, right?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Kamekazi_69

because people are afraid to face the reality that there's something more fundamentally wrong with our society. I think it's because we are afraid of eachother.

the real answer IMO is to stop being afraid of eachother. stranger danger, being paranoid all the time, etc has got to stop.

Phaze-Two

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

because people are afraid to face the reality that there's something more fundamentally wrong with our society. I think it's because we are afraid of eachother.

the real answer IMO is to stop being afraid of eachother. stranger danger, being paranoid all the time, etc has got to stop.

l4dak47

that's one side of the argument. the other side is that fox news is the product of a culture of fear that we've had for hundreds of years. IDK which side Im on but it doesn't really matter. what matters is that we just start being more trusting of our neighbors. that's all. just don't immediatly think the worst about the people around you.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Overlord93

yep take them away.

then take away all the knives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinese-state-media-say-teenager-kills-8-wounds-5-in-knife-attack-in-northeast-of-the-country/2012/08/02/gJQALIrARX_story.html

then you better take those dogs away from people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

don't forget how deadly cars are better get rid of those too.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/transportation/motor_vehicle_accidents_and_fatalities.html

whoops, record fatilities in slip and falls in the shower too, better outlaw showers while we are at it.

http://www.lawfirms.com/resources/personal-injury/slip-and-fall-accident/slip-and-fall-accidents.htm

seriously pansys, why don't you just go build an underground bunker and live in that if you are so terrified of the risks you face everyday.

The US needs to decide what it wants its gun laws to do - if it's home defence, fine...but what does a person really need to achieve that? It's not an assault weapon, but a rifle, shotgun or pistol might be reasonable (and also have a place in hunting or pest control).

Many in the US are far away from the nearest policeman, so it's not unreasonable. Gun control should ensure that the person who wants a gun is capable of using it responsibly.

The right to bear arms needs to be balanced against nearly 300 years in the advances of personal weapons, something that couldn't have been foreseen in the 18th century.

The Sikh temple shooting graphically illustrates, once more, why we need to confiscate guns. Civilians cant be trusted with guns. Only the pros should be allowed to carry guns. Guns ownership ought to be confined to professional soldiers and law-enforcement officers. Not to untrained, trigger-happy civilians. Wait a minutewasnt the shooter an army vet? Okay, well I guess restricting gun access to the pros wont solve the problem after all. - Dr. Steve Hayes - maheo30

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

l4dak47

Look at drugs. Make anything illegal, and more dangerous was of getting them around will arise. People will always find ways of getting what they want.

because people are afraid to face the reality that there's something more fundamentally wrong with our society. I think it's because we are afraid of eachother.

the real answer IMO is to stop being afraid of eachother. stranger danger, being paranoid all the time, etc has got to stop.

Phaze-Two

So true, People wish to blame the availability of the tools (guns) rather than think about the reasons why people are using these tools like they are.

There is just a problem with our society here, If it isn't people being driven to lifes of crime for various reasons, it is psychotically paranoid people or people who are just psychotic causing problems with guns.

I mean look at that incident where that guy got shot by police who had gone to the wrong door. He got killed BECAUSE he felt some weird need to open a door waving a gun around...

Making guns illegal does not solve anything and people need to get over that. I love the British people who come one here acting like they are superior because they banned guns when in fact their gun crime has been RISING in Britain while at least for a long time crime was actually declining here in the States.

There obviously needs to be SOME restrictions on gun posession, and we have those, Unfortunately we just aren't capable of always picking out the psychos when they buy guns and honestly, any criminal is going to try and get an illegal gun as then it will be hard to trace their crimes back to them.

We really need alot of work as a culture here in the States. Somewhere down the line we lost things like a sense of honor, a sense of togetherness, and instead we fell into a sort of me vs. them attitude and I think that is a huge part of the problem. Hell, the crazy ones who go on killing people likely could have been helped had people been there for them. Look at Columbine. Those kids became volatile when left to their own devices. For all we know they could have turned out ok had SOMEONE been there to help welcome them into a normal group of people.

That being said, there has been and always will be crazy people who go around killing people and causing problems. Tis an unfortunate fact of life and nothing we can do will ever completely get rid of that.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Just like Violent games, movie, Music, entertainment becomes a topic for censorship every time someone goes out and does something bad. Eliminating guns would most likely cause crime to explode.

jesuschristmonk

Look at drugs. Make anything illegal, and more dangerous was of getting them around will arise. People will always find ways of getting what they want.

Thats the issue with all law, making a law and enforcing a law are two very different things. The US does a horrible job enforcing laws. We know exactly where the majority of drugs that reach this country come from yet we do nothing to stop it. FPSfan1985

The US needs to decide what it wants its gun laws to do - if it's home defence, fine...but what does a person really need to achieve that? It's not an assault weapon, but a rifle, shotgun or pistol might be reasonable (and also have a place in hunting or pest control).

Many in the US are far away from the nearest policeman, so it's not unreasonable. Gun control should ensure that the person who wants a gun is capable of using it responsibly.

The right to bear arms needs to be balanced against nearly 300 years in the advances of personal weapons, something that couldn't have been foreseen in the 18th century.

LordRork

Yeah people also forget that tid-bit too. My GF lives in the boonies. Out there in farm country everything is so spread out that it really would take quite alot of time for help to show up, and you see these farm houses that are SO FAR away from one another that if someone was breaking in or some sort of animal came to attack (which funny thing my GF's Grandpa told me about how there was a dangerous pack of coyotes roaming by their house a while back after fires had killed their food supply and left the coyotes extremely desparate and dangerous) they literally HAVE to be able to handle themselves because that immediate help just isn't there.

And yeah, we need to always make sure gun owners are people who would be responsible with them, granted it is basically impossible to predict such a thing with 100% accuracy.

In the wake of two awful incidents that have passed, and the rise of gun violence in certain areas in this country, why is it that the media just has to put the blame on the defenders of the domestic constitution? Why are we to blame when some idiot guns down 23 people with an ak-47 or some thug shoots and kills some little kid? Where has this country's sense of personal responsiblity gone? Even worse is how the youth in this country are being indoctrunated into thinking all gun-owners are bad, crazy people. It's sickening.

Anyone elses thoughts on this?

PrototypeTheKid

What we are saying is that the gun culture is very bad in the US. That is the truth, that doesnt mean that we think that gun owners are terrible people.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]Thats the issue with all law, making a law and enforcing a law are two very different things. The US does a horrible job enforcing laws. We know exactly where the majority of drugs that reach this country come from yet we do nothing to stop it. jesuschristmonk

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Overlord93"] Yeah. Did you hear about the gamestop massacre? Guy went in there and threw handfuls of PSPs at the people inside. So many lives lost. He even had a 3DS...they didn't stand a chance.Overlord93

I agree, but the case isn't that strong when it comes to gun control/ban. Some have shown that a ban does work, some have shown that it does not. I personally believe that it wouldn't work here, but I don't really have any strong conclusive evidence showing that per say l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I agree, but the case isn't that strong when it comes to gun control/ban. Some have shown that a ban does work, some have shown that it does not. I personally believe that it wouldn't work here, but I don't really have any strong conclusive evidence showing that per say jesuschristmonk

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[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] Yes I did! I also heard about kids using Doom as a "training simulator" before they shoot people. Man if it wasn't for violent videogames, they wouldn't have been desensitized enough to pick up a gun and kill. Only one solution, Ban video games from everyone because the government knows whats good for everyone! Video games cause people to pick up guns and kill! I can see it now!Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I agree, but the case isn't that strong when it comes to gun control/ban. Some have shown that a ban does work, some have shown that it does not. I personally believe that it wouldn't work here, but I don't really have any strong conclusive evidence showing that per say jesuschristmonk

[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I agree, but the case isn't that strong when it comes to gun control/ban. Some have shown that a ban does work, some have shown that it does not. I personally believe that it wouldn't work here, but I don't really have any strong conclusive evidence showing that per say Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] Seems like giving everyone a gun worked out for that one state (can't remember which) that someone made a topic about a month or so ago. I guess the thought of anyone having a gun scares most people lol.l4dak47

[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] No, it happened here in the U.S., it just wasn't a state that did that, it was a county. l4dak47

You dont have to look it up, I see what you mean. That was a lot of help, thanks.

The Sikh temple shooting graphically illustrates, once more, why we need to confiscate guns. Civilians cant be trusted with guns. Only the pros should be allowed to carry guns. Guns ownership ought to be confined to professional soldiers and law-enforcement officers. Not to untrained, trigger-happy civilians. Wait a minutewasnt the shooter an army vet? Okay, well I guess restricting gun access to the pros wont solve the problem after all. - Dr. Steve Hayes - maheo30

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father of the US.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]The Sikh temple shooting graphically illustrates, once more, why we need to confiscate guns. Civilians cant be trusted with guns. Only the pros should be allowed to carry guns. Guns ownership ought to be confined to professional soldiers and law-enforcement officers. Not to untrained, trigger-happy civilians. Wait a minutewasnt the shooter an army vet? Okay, well I guess restricting gun access to the pros wont solve the problem after all. - Dr. Steve Hayes - th3warr1or

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father of the US.

I agree completely.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]The Sikh temple shooting graphically illustrates, once more, why we need to confiscate guns. Civilians cant be trusted with guns. Only the pros should be allowed to carry guns. Guns ownership ought to be confined to professional soldiers and law-enforcement officers. Not to untrained, trigger-happy civilians. Wait a minutewasnt the shooter an army vet? Okay, well I guess restricting gun access to the pros wont solve the problem after all. - Dr. Steve Hayes - th3warr1or

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father of the US.

I wonder if we could get some numbers on how much easier it is for a gun owner to kill someone than somebody who does not own guns.