Why are republicans so against the public option.

Unless you watch faux news you have no excuse to being brainwashed. Republicans are all about freedom right? The polls show roughly 80% of america wants another OPTION why are you against it. I guess you guys just want to be fascist dictators that don't care about the opinion of the people. Just remember socialism is a good thing even though the public option still milks you for money. Sorry I have to go talk to that insurance beurucrat so he can make a exception for denying me because I filled in my form wrong. For every arguement there is an answer.

We aren't, but thanks for the assumption. :|

Because of defending an idealogue position they don't always stay true to themselves, and because the public option would take money away from companies that line their pockets with millions of dollars anually.

What's wrong with wanting to be a fascist dictator? :(

I'm not republican but I can say in the current state of the economy, public heath care would not be do-able. SAGE_OF_FIRE

It's not public health care, it would entail private citizens buying into the public option in addition to the program getting subsidies.

What's wrong with wanting to be a fascist dictator?

elblanquito_81

Nothing, you just have to cut taxes when you do it;)

We aren't, but thanks for the assumption. :|

Pirate700

Unless you watch faux news you have no excuse to being brainwashed. Republicans are all about freedom right? The polls show roughly 80% of america wants another OPTION why are you against it. I guess you guys just want to be fascist dictators that don't care about the opinion of the people. Just remember socialism is a good thing even though the public option still milks you for money. Sorry I have to go talk to that insurance beurucrat so he can make a exception for denying me because I filled in my form wrong. For every arguement there is an answer.

King-Saddam

Socialism is a good thing? Dude, its what leads to communism by definition, communism has never lead to anything good. Just look at china, ready to work at a factory for next to nothing?

OP said Socialism is a good thing. His argument became invalid as soon as that was typed. Guess what man, there are Democrats against the socialized health care too, THAT is why it didn't pass, not because the Republicans (who are in the minority in the Senate and House) didn't want it.

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Unless you watch faux news you have no excuse to being brainwashed. Republicans are all about freedom right? The polls show roughly 80% of america wants another OPTION why are you against it. I guess you guys just want to be fascist dictators that don't care about the opinion of the people. Just remember socialism is a good thing even though the public option still milks you for money. Sorry I have to go talk to that insurance beurucrat so he can make a exception for denying me because I filled in my form wrong. For every arguement there is an answer.

SegaGenesisfan

Socialism is a good thing? Dude, its what leads to communism by definition, communism has never lead to anything good. Just look at china, ready to work at a factory for next to nothing?

The public option is actually very counter to communism. The idea is to promote competition in the industry in order to keep costs down by allowing the government to act as a COMPETING entity. Socialism would be the government forcibly taking over the insurance industry and not allowing anyone else to compete. Frankly, the insurance industry operates more closely to socialist principles. They control the market and strangle competition by acting in a collective manner in terms of screening and pricing, the only thing that keeps that from being socialism is that it's private industry acting as an opressive entity.

OP said Socialism is a good thing. His argument became invalid as soon as that was typed. Guess what man, there are Democrats against the socialized health care too, THAT is why it didn't pass, not because the Republicans (who are in the minority in the Senate and House) didn't want it.

grenadexjumpr

No, they don't support itfirst off because of all the people making noise at the town halls after being stirred up by the likes of Glenn Beck and second because they're receiving tons of money in donations from the insurance industry.

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[QUOTE="King-Saddam"]

Unless you watch faux news you have no excuse to being brainwashed. Republicans are all about freedom right? The polls show roughly 80% of america wants another OPTION why are you against it. I guess you guys just want to be fascist dictators that don't care about the opinion of the people. Just remember socialism is a good thing even though the public option still milks you for money. Sorry I have to go talk to that insurance beurucrat so he can make a exception for denying me because I filled in my form wrong. For every arguement there is an answer.

theone86

Socialism is a good thing? Dude, its what leads to communism by definition, communism has never lead to anything good. Just look at china, ready to work at a factory for next to nothing?

The public option is actually very counter to communism. The idea is to promote competition in the industry in order to keep costs down by allowing the government to act as a COMPETING entity. Socialism would be the government forcibly taking over the insurance industry and not allowing anyone else to compete. Frankly, the insurance industry operates more closely to socialist principles. They control the market and strangle competition by acting in a collective manner in terms of screening and pricing, the only thing that keeps that from being socialism is that it's private industry acting as an opressive entity.

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OP said Socialism is a good thing. His argument became invalid as soon as that was typed. Guess what man, there are Democrats against the socialized health care too, THAT is why it didn't pass, not because the Republicans (who are in the minority in the Senate and House) didn't want it.

theone86

No, they don't support itfirst off because of all the people making noise at the town halls after being stirred up by the likes of Glenn Beck and second because they're receiving tons of money in donations from the insurance industry.

And yet what I said is still correct. The OP is blaming REPUBLICANS, as a whole. When its his precious Democratic leaders who had all the power in the world to do it...and they failed. Again.

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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

Socialism is a good thing? Dude, its what leads to communism by definition, communism has never lead to anything good. Just look at china, ready to work at a factory for next to nothing?

DivergeUnify

The public option is actually very counter to communism. The idea is to promote competition in the industry in order to keep costs down by allowing the government to act as a COMPETING entity. Socialism would be the government forcibly taking over the insurance industry and not allowing anyone else to compete. Frankly, the insurance industry operates more closely to socialist principles. They control the market and strangle competition by acting in a collective manner in terms of screening and pricing, the only thing that keeps that from being socialism is that it's private industry acting as an opressive entity.

And how is that exactly? The insurance companies operate almost as a collective entity, they don't undercut each others' prices because they don't want to be undercut themselves. That's counter-competitive. The public option, on the other hand, would provide an option that would force them to keep their prices lower, which is the idea behind competition anyways and the current state of competition within the industry simply isn't accomplishing.

Reread what you just said. It's ****ing ridiculous. What are you talking about when you say "against the public option"? Enlighten me, please.

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[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

OP said Socialism is a good thing. His argument became invalid as soon as that was typed. Guess what man, there are Democrats against the socialized health care too, THAT is why it didn't pass, not because the Republicans (who are in the minority in the Senate and House) didn't want it.

grenadexjumpr

No, they don't support itfirst off because of all the people making noise at the town halls after being stirred up by the likes of Glenn Beck and second because they're receiving tons of money in donations from the insurance industry.

And yet what I said is still correct. The OP is blaming REPUBLICANS, as a whole. When its his precious Democratic leaders who had all the power in the world to do it...and they failed. Again.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, although I still blame the Republicans more for first of all whining about partinsanship and then coming out and saying they won't vote for any legislation opposed no matter how much input they have, and also for giving in to the extremists in their ranks and supporting ridiculous arguments with no facts supporting them like death panels. There are like two Dems in the senate who have been acting counter to the interests of the party and those voters who put them in power, and the Dems in the House came out and threatened to boycott any legislation that lacked a public option.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

No, they don't support itfirst off because of all the people making noise at the town halls after being stirred up by the likes of Glenn Beck and second because they're receiving tons of money in donations from the insurance industry.

theone86

And yet what I said is still correct. The OP is blaming REPUBLICANS, as a whole. When its his precious Democratic leaders who had all the power in the world to do it...and they failed. Again.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, although I still blame the Republicans more for first of all whining about partinsanship and then coming out and saying they won't vote for any legislation opposed no matter how much input they have, and also for giving in to the extremists in their ranks and supporting ridiculous arguments with no facts supporting them like death panels. There are like two Dems in the senate who have been acting counter to the interests of the party and those voters who put them in power, and the Dems in the House came out and threatened to boycott any legislation that lacked a public option.

Its just politics as usual. Its amazing that people actually believed Obama when he said he would change that. Most of the men and women in the Senate and House view Obama as a joke because of his lack of experience. You can't just up and change the minds of Senators and Representatives who have been serving since Obama was in diapers.

Because republicans believe government control should be at a minimum.

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[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

OP said Socialism is a good thing. His argument became invalid as soon as that was typed. Guess what man, there are Democrats against the socialized health care too, THAT is why it didn't pass, not because the Republicans (who are in the minority in the Senate and House) didn't want it.

grenadexjumpr

No, they don't support itfirst off because of all the people making noise at the town halls after being stirred up by the likes of Glenn Beck and second because they're receiving tons of money in donations from the insurance industry.

And yet what I said is still correct. The OP is blaming REPUBLICANS, as a whole. When its his precious Democratic leaders who had all the power in the world to do it...and they failed. Again.

Because republicans believe government control should be at a minimum.

avatar_genius

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Because republicans believe government control should be at a minimum.

King-Saddam

Several things are necessary, but if something can be avoided, typically republicans would rather avoid it.

I never said I was republican anyway.

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Because republicans believe government control should be at a minimum.

avatar_genius

Several things are necessary, but if something can be avoided, typically republicans would rather avoid it.

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[QUOTE="King-Saddam"] protest the fda then, its on the same levelKing-Saddam

Several things are necessary, but if something can be avoided, typically republicans would rather avoid it.

As far as public healthcare goes, republicans tend to believe that it would cause more harm than good.

Because of defending an idealogue position they don't always stay true to themselves, and because the public option would take money away from companies that line their pockets with millions of dollars anually.

I'm not a Republicrat and I'm not a Demopublican but I can damn well tell you I don't want a government that can't handle itself running my health care! I want LESS government, and at the same time I want more options to handle my own well being, in my own fashion. Every one of my wants can easily be handled, and handled much better, by capitalist means. If one company is trying to gyp me off then so be it I'll use a different company.

All they really need to do is fix some of the rulings they have made, allow insurance to cross state borders and thereby giving me close to unlimited choices. All handled by capitalism. Socialism just doesn't cut it for me, unless you're fine with someone else who lives a lavish life (namely any politician) deciding how you live your life then I guess vote how you feel. This is a country with a 1st Amendment, thankfully, stand up for what you believe. THINK FOR YOUR SELF!

If you could, for once, get this trash government to stand behind the people instead of standing behind the corporations we would have something that everyone could use IMO.

Because of defending an idealogue position they don't always stay true to themselves, and because the public option would take money away from companies that line their pockets with millions of dollars anually.

Its just politics as usual. Its amazing that people actually believed Obama when he said he would change that. Most of the men and women in the Senate and House view Obama as a joke because of his lack of experience. You can't just up and change the minds of Senators and Representatives who have been serving since Obama was in diapers.

grenadexjumpr

So true, and Congress is absolutely worthless in my opinion. It's full politicians who, for the most part, are out of touch with reality and driven purely by special interests and personal agendas. None of them really listen to anyone else and they all think they are right no matter how many times they are proven wrong. The Republicans and Democrats in congress will never be truly productive or effective because they all act like 5 year olds who get caught up arguing over pointless things simply because they like different colors. They are absolutely those annoying kids who argue just to argue. Yet they get elected because they have the ability to talk out of their butts and make people believe all of the great ideas that they propose...when in reality, most of that stuff doesn't even come close to being done. Yet, they are entrusted as the supposed "best people for the job" when it comes to writing effective laws and reform:roll: and I will end my rant by just saying Most of them don't even read the bills they blindly pass. :|

Sorry for the random tirade, as it only loosely has to do with the topic...it's just frustrating. :x :D

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Its just politics as usual. Its amazing that people actually believed Obama when he said he would change that. Most of the men and women in the Senate and House view Obama as a joke because of his lack of experience. You can't just up and change the minds of Senators and Representatives who have been serving since Obama was in diapers.

Lindsosaurus

So true, and Congress is absolutely worthless in my opinion. It's full politicians who, for the most part, are out of touch with reality and driven purely by special interests and personal agendas. None of them really listen to anyone else and they all think they are right no matter how many times they are proven wrong. The Republicans and Democrats in congress will never be truly productive or effective because they all act like 5 year olds who get caught up arguing over pointless things simply because they like different colors. They are absolutely those annoying kids who argue just to argue. Yet they get elected because they have the ability to talk out of their butts and make people believe all of the great ideas that they propose...when in reality, most of that stuff doesn't even come close to being done. Yet, they are entrusted as the supposed "best people for the job" when it comes to writing effective laws and reform:roll: and I will end my rant by just saying Most of them don't even read the bills they blindly pass. :|

Sorry for the random tirade, as it only loosely has to do with the topic...it's just frustrating. :x :D

[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

Its just politics as usual. Its amazing that people actually believed Obama when he said he would change that. Most of the men and women in the Senate and House view Obama as a joke because of his lack of experience. You can't just up and change the minds of Senators and Representatives who have been serving since Obama was in diapers.

Lindsosaurus

So true, and Congress is absolutely worthless in my opinion. It's full politicians who, for the most part, are out of touch with reality and driven purely by special interests and personal agendas. None of them really listen to anyone else and they all think they are right no matter how many times they are proven wrong. The Republicans and Democrats in congress will never be truly productive or effective because they all act like 5 year olds who get caught up arguing over pointless things simply because they like different colors. They are absolutely those annoying kids who argue just to argue. Yet they get elected because they have the ability to talk out of their butts and make people believe all of the great ideas that they propose...when in reality, most of that stuff doesn't even come close to being done. Yet, they are entrusted as the supposed "best people for the job" when it comes to writing effective laws and reform:roll: and I will end my rant by just saying Most of them don't even read the bills they blindly pass. :|

Sorry for the random tirade, as it only loosely has to do with the topic...it's just frustrating. :x :D

well, if it makes you feel any better...

"A new Rasmussen poll has shown 57% of Americans would like to vote to throw every person in Congress out of office and start over. The poll also shows 18% aren't sure and only 25% of voters would keep the current members in power."

We just need to make it a reality...

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Public healthcare is diametrically opposed to traditionally held Republican ideologies of free-market Capitalism.