Why can't the world stop using money

So we'll go back to the barter system?

Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?JIT93

im not. socialism is a catastrophe.

Homes wouldn't be free you'ld have to barter so basically instead of carrying round your wallet you'ld have to take the goods you make with you, without money coorparations arn't possible.

I really can't think of a worse idea i think it's even worse than one of my politically idealistic friends who said we should abolish borders.

So we'll go back to the barter system?

MAILER_DAEMON

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

Not me! If there was no money expect everystore on earh to be stripped within hours! Also without money who the hell would want to work? That means no more guys fixing our hamburgers at mcdonalds. No more doctors. No more people building new roads for us. Choas would heppen reall,, Did you even think this out 1st?Raged_Soulja

[QUOTE="JIT93"]Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?H8sMikeMoore

sociallism isn't always but comunism is and what ever TC is suggesting is even worse

im not. socialism is a catastrophe.

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So we'll go back to the barter system?

Video_Game_King

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

So we'll go back to the barter system?

MAILER_DAEMON

Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?JIT93

because with no money no one will make you a home + grow your food for free.

So we'll go back to the barter system?

MAILER_DAEMON

trade ya 4 chickans for that thar pig!

:D

Then people will stop working and they'll start stealing things.6_volts

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[QUOTE="JIT93"]Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?markop2003

sociallism isn't always but comunism is and what ever TC is suggesting is even worse

im not. socialism is a catastrophe.

everyone I talk to has a different opinion on what socialism is. Ive talked to several people who believe theres no form of money in socialism.

communism means theres no government and people "learned to share"

communism is a childish goal, socialism is enforced.

Adam Smith sez: Money is merely a certificate of labour. Money represents the talent, effort, and knowledge of an endeavor. When a carpenter sells a chair he is being compensated for his work as well as his skill at his craft, and the time and money required to learn the craft. In earlier times a baker might exchange food to a carpenter for a chair. But if the baker didn't need a chair then the carpenter has no way of trading directly with the baker. By exchanging the chair for money with another person who needs it, the carpenter is then able to exchange the money for what he needs. Money is merely a system to alleviate direct trade.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

H8sMikeMoore

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?JIT93

Okay!! Take that first step.........get rid of all of your money. You can give it to me. :)

I don't exactly understand the suggestion. Why would no money equal free food?

[QUOTE="Raged_Soulja"]Not me! If there was no money expect everystore on earh to be stripped within hours! Also without money who the hell would want to work? That means no more guys fixing our hamburgers at mcdonalds. No more doctors. No more people building new roads for us. Choas would heppen reall,, Did you even think this out 1st?JIT93

that means i can do nothing and live for free then, this idea is terrible millions would starve and you can say goodbye to coorpartions and with that all your electronics, games, movies, internet and pretty much anything else spread over a large distance

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

H8sMikeMoore

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Although aren't the items bartered bartered by their liquidity, or am I going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole (by which I mean my ass :P)?

Quite simply the world would not work without money.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

Video_Game_King

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Although aren't the items bartered bartered by their liquidity, or am I going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole (by which I mean my ass :P)?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

Notsogr8one

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

that's why the currency drops when the market has lost confidence in it, if you stop trading it the price drops like every other comodity

a system with no money worked fine back when everyone made something to make their living... but so much work is unmeasurable now... there's no physical product at the end of the day.

however, as long as the company that employs me still thinks it's worthwhile to pay me for the work I do then I'm cool with however they pay me. If they wanted to pay me in chickens, beer and video games, then so be it.

honestly, though, if i were to make a bet, i would say that the TC just had his first Sociology class at college. They were speaking in hypotheticals, and now he's going through all the "what if" scenarios he can think of, trying to imagine what a utopia would look like. Am I far off here?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

Video_Game_King

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Although aren't the items bartered bartered by their liquidity, or am I going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole (by which I mean my ass :P)?

yes, but thier liquidity is only a universal bartering product, it has no value in itself, it only has value because of the vealue of what you can trade it for

because money is the most important thing in the worldAgentA-Mi6

I don't exactly understand the suggestion. Why would no money equal free food?

GabuEx

because the people who support the food industry are just that nice, duh.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]because money is the most important thing in the worldBranKetra

wut? Personally i like having an economy, luxuries and a being alive (without money most of he UK would starve)

So we'll go back to the barter system?

MAILER_DAEMON

I wonder how many ps2 games it would take to get a college education... cause ive got alot of them.

a system with no money worked fine back when everyone made something to make their living... but so much work is unmeasurable now... there's no physical product at the end of the day.

however, as long as the company that employs me still thinks it's worthwhile to pay me for the work I do then I'm cool with however they pay me. If they wanted to pay me in chickens, beer and video games, then so be it.

honestly, though, if i were to make a bet, i would say that the TC just had his first Sociology class at college. They were speaking in hypotheticals, and now he's going through all the "what if" scenarios he can think of, trying to imagine what a utopia would look like. Am I far off here?

-starman-

being paid in chickens sound like a terrible idea. id rather have money. what if I dont want chickens? What if I do want chickens but I dont feel like killing them and preparing them? Would I have to trade a chicken to get one of the chickens prepared correctly?

Id rather not have a company decide whats good for me... being paid 5 chickens for a days labour sounds pretty bad. Id rather be paid with money then I can decide what is right for me.

the only time a system with no money for the average joe works is if the government essentially owns you. if you value liberty/freedom you value money.

Getting rid of money would not get rid of a common sense of value on goods and services. It would just make it much more cumbersome to purchase/trade for stuff, because then you wouldn't have the convenience of a set standard for value with currency.

Try taking an economics class before you make horribly unsubstantiated statements.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

markop2003

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Although aren't the items bartered bartered by their liquidity, or am I going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole (by which I mean my ass :P)?

yes, but thier liquidity is only a universal bartering product, it has no value in itself, it only has value because of the vealue of what you can trade it for

That's kind of what I was saying: they're not trading the products, they're trading the money they can acquire from them.

I don't exactly understand the suggestion. Why would no money equal free food?

GabuEx

Because apparently taking money out of the equation would essentially render something as free, given that obviously, money is the only deciding factor in value...

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

H8sMikeMoore

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

Without money, everyone will have homes free food and some nice luxaries but why can't the world stop using money. I want the world to abolish money. Whos with me?JIT93

money is like a treat, you gotta work for it, so you gotta earn it, you cant just get everything for free otherwise eveyone in the world would just be slacking off

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

helium_flash

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

They did at one point, I know that. Don't know if modern countries still do it.

I think the TC sounds really young, maybe 14 or 15. Could be youngerFalcoLX

my friend's a bit like this and he's 16, i think the problem comes when people don't think through their ideas, conservatism is the easy way and makes the most sense to me

personally i think the goverment should provide just police, fire, education, military and roads, then all the other public services should be ran by the goverment but as businesses so national communication networks and rail companies can be set up (started with a low rate goverment loan) but they don't result in an increase in taxes.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]because money is the most important thing in the worldmarkop2003

wut? Personally i like having an economy, luxuries and a being alive (without money most of he UK would starve)

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

So we'll go back to the barter system?

Video_Game_King

Isn't a currency system just an incredibly refined barter system, only with more consistency? Or is that the thing which separates the two?

in a capitalistic system... hell even ours as it is you can still barter. whatever has worth is tradable. money is just valued because its typically backed by gold. It isnt anymore... its just paper.

They did at one point, I know that. Don't know if modern countries still do it.

i think ours in the UK is as i know the bank of england has a huge amount of gold