Why Christianity is not necessarily the only way to Heaven (think Ghandi)

Just to make it clear and avoid the idiots that just skip to the nitty-gritty, I am a Catholic and have read the Bible (most of it anyways) studied it forever in Catholic Schools (elementary, middle, and hs), and know wth I'm talking about.

Catholism is the only true religion (gotta say that because my/our Pope Benedict just said that). Other Christian sects branched off for valid reasons a millenium ago and remain separated for foolish nostalgic ideas of their religion today. To not sound like I'm attacking you, my friend is a baptist.

Ours is the only true religion. I gotta say that or else I'd be thinking all weird. Anyways, that's for another thread some1 else can make. I'm here to talk about other religions. Other Good People. This is asusming the good people aint christians.

Examples in the past: Ghandi, erm....I got a brainfreeze or w/e. There ARE more. Just post replies with their names.

Even Muslims can go to Heaven, I'm assuming, if they reject the evils of their religion and live in their religion opposing terrorism or just by living a normal, regular, good life.

*edit* i apologize for the cruddy, messed up fonts. I don't know how to fix it xD!

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

I don't think you can actually speak of who is heaven...unless you've been there.:|LJS9502_basic

That';s true, but I'm just assuming that some1 that avoided a war (e.g. ghandi) would go to heaven for saving a ton of lives.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think you can actually speak of who is heaven...unless you've been there.:|lompocus

That';s true, but I'm just assuming that some1 that avoided a war (e.g. ghandi) would go to heaven for saving a ton of lives.

Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.Shade-Blade

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

mig_killer2

'but by me' could be a (gosh what's the word lol)...eh...forgot, could be meaning that believing in peace (which was essentially what Jesus preached) is how you get to heaven. Could have been in leiu of another word considering the poor level of education back then.

Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.Shade-Blade

The pope's comment was directed mainly at the protestant divisions.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think you can actually speak of who is heaven...unless you've been there.:|lompocus

That';s true, but I'm just assuming that some1 that avoided a war (e.g. ghandi) would go to heaven for saving a ton of lives.

Well..the Bible is the guideline and I don't recall that scripture. Lots of people avoid war...I don't get that analogy.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

lompocus

'but by me' could be a (gosh what's the word lol)...eh...forgot, could be meaning that believing in peace (which was essentially what Jesus preached) is how you get to heaven. Could have been in leiu of another word considering the poor level of education back then.

A fundamental part of being Christian is the belief in the divinity of Christ.

Conscerning righteous nonbelievers, I have to go with Dante's ideals: they go to Limbo. They're not tortured in Hell, but they don't go to Heaven.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

lompocus

'but by me' could be a (gosh what's the word lol)...eh...forgot, could be meaning that believing in peace (which was essentially what Jesus preached) is how you get to heaven. Could have been in leiu of another word considering the poor level of education back then.

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.ElZilcho90

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

[QUOTE="lompocus"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

ElZilcho90

'but by me' could be a (gosh what's the word lol)...eh...forgot, could be meaning that believing in peace (which was essentially what Jesus preached) is how you get to heaven. Could have been in leiu of another word considering the poor level of education back then.

A fundamental part of being Christian is the belief in the divinity of Christ.

Conscerning righteous nonbelievers, I have to go with Dante's ideals: they go to Limbo. They're not tortured in Hell, but they don't go to Heaven.

[QUOTE="lompocus"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh onto the father but by me" Jesus said those words you know

sorry ghandi:(

mig_killer2

'but by me' could be a (gosh what's the word lol)...eh...forgot, could be meaning that believing in peace (which was essentially what Jesus preached) is how you get to heaven. Could have been in leiu of another word considering the poor level of education back then.

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.Shade-Blade

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

[QUOTE="lompocus"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think you can actually speak of who is heaven...unless you've been there.:|LJS9502_basic

That';s true, but I'm just assuming that some1 that avoided a war (e.g. ghandi) would go to heaven for saving a ton of lives.

Well..the Bible is the guideline and I don't recall that scripture. Lots of people avoid war...I don't get that analogy.

Mother Teresa: "I'll go to any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

Calm down for a minute. Deep breaths. Deeeeep breaths...

Alright. What I'm saying is, I don't really mind other's beliefs. You're an athiest? Good for you! More power to you! The fact is, my beliefs are my own, and your beliefs are your own.

What's so terrible about the leader of a church commenting on the validity of the church? Shouldn't everything he say be "full of ****" in your mind? Why do you even care?

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

lompocus

...Not only are you exceptionally confused, you seem to have taken any knowledge of Christian History from Dan Brown. Bad move.

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

PickGlove243

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

good and evil does not exist so peoples versions of "God" do not exist. God is something beyond our minds.

Why would god send you to eternal HELL for not beliving in a specific religion? that does not make sense to me.

Also sin does not exist

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.mig_killer2

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

[QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

LJS9502_basic

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

Yes..... that would be Jesus's interpretation...... I don't follow the bible very closesly anymore, so that's just what I think

[QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

LJS9502_basic

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

There is such a thing as a non-denomination christian (that's what I am), which means that you don't get into christianinty because of any religious crap, but because you belive in the bible. The bible and it's teachingssaves souls, not religon. I somehow doubt that god is gonna be like "Catholics are the only true religious people, so everyone else is gonna go straight to hell". That completly goes against everything that is said in the bible.Splinter_Cell3

You didn't read the post did you?

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Shade-Blade"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.Shade-Blade

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

mig_killer2

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

But the Gospels were written by men who traveled and worked with Jesus.

Mother Teresa: "I'll go o any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

lompocus

Mother Teresa is not scripture.:roll:

Christ divinity is not disputed by any Christian church.:roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

mig_killer2

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

And 4 out of mebbe 60 of those were picked at random by some politician 1700 year ago who may or may not have been inspired by God.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

ElZilcho90

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

But the Gospels were written by men who traveled and worked with Jesus.

[QUOTE="lompocus"]

Mother Teresa: "I'll go o any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

LJS9502_basic

Mother Teresa is not scripture.:roll:

Christ divinity is not disputed by any Christian church.:roll:

Mother Teresa was still made a saint.

We find it O.K. to talk about it in my freaking town!

And 4 out of mebbe 60 of those were picked at random by some politician 1700 year ago who may or may not have been inspired by God.

lompocus

Once again: Teabing's rant in Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code is not an accurate history of the Church and Christianity.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PickGlove243"]

The bible wasn't actually written by god. It is other's interpretation of what god is. So who are we to say who can and who can't go to heaven?

lompocus

As far as the NT...it's considered the teachings of Jesus...it's what HE said. So.....

And 4 out of mebbe 60 of those were picked at random by some politician 1700 year ago who may or may not have been inspired by God.

good and evil does not exist so peoples versions of "God" do not exist. God is something beyond our minds.

Why would god send you to eternal HELL for not beliving in a specific religion? that does not make sense to me.

Also sin does not exist

mega_deth

Evil doesn't exist? You're very mistaken.

the authors are anonymous though, but the words were given by the holy spirit. mig_killer2

Anonymous? The four gospels are named after their authors...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lompocus"]

Mother Teresa: "I'll go o any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

lompocus

Mother Teresa is not scripture.:roll:

Christ divinity is not disputed by any Christian church.:roll:

Mother Teresa was still made a saint.

We find it O.K. to talk about it in my freaking town!

[QUOTE="Splinter_Cell3"]There is such a thing as a non-denomination christian (that's what I am), which means that you don't get into christianinty because of any religious crap, but because you belive in the bible. The bible and it's teachingssaves souls, not religon. I somehow doubt that god is gonna be like "Catholics are the only true religious people, so everyone else is gonna go straight to hell". That completly goes against everything that is said in the bible.lompocus

You didn't read the post did you?

Yeah, I read the post and all about that "Save lives and don't sin to go to heaven even if you aren't christian" crap, but you also said that catholics are the only "true" religious people, which is as arrogant as it is stupid. My comment was directed at that.

this is stupid first of all the pope is a complete douche bag who likes to finger himself. second none of us know if god exists because he is something beyond OUR minds so to us he doesnt exists but he does..........mega_deth

That's quite mature of you. And let me guess: Jesus was a doodoo face?

[QUOTE="mega_deth"]

good and evil does not exist so peoples versions of "God" do not exist. God is something beyond our minds.

Why would god send you to eternal HELL for not beliving in a specific religion? that does not make sense to me.

Also sin does not exist

LJS9502_basic

Evil doesn't exist? You're very mistaken.

no Im not, evil is just a man made description not a "universal" description so it does not exist

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lompocus"]

Mother Teresa: "I'll go o any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

lompocus

Mother Teresa is not scripture.:roll:

Christ divinity is not disputed by any Christian church.:roll:

Mother Teresa was still made a saint.

We find it O.K. to talk about it in my freaking town!

She still isn't God dude....seriously.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]the authors are anonymous though, but the words were given by the holy spirit. ElZilcho90

Anonymous? The four gospels are named after their authors...

[QUOTE="mega_deth"]this is stupid first of all the pope is a complete douche bag who likes to finger himself. second none of us know if god exists because he is something beyond OUR minds so to us he doesnt exists but he does..........ElZilcho90

That's quite mature of you. And let me guess: Jesus was a doodoo face?

so what I can whatever i want about the pope

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Shade-Blade"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="Shade-Blade"]Just think about what people believed in before Christianity was born and you have your answer. The pope is full of ****. Im not a fan of religion, I hate it actually but if people say completely irrational statements regarding it then I will prove them wrong. Either using the theory that there is a God or the theory that there isnt a God. I do hate it when people make statements like that though.mig_killer2

I fail to see what's so offensive about what the Pope said. He said that the church that he's the head of is the one true church of God? Color me shocked!:|

Talk to anyone of any other religion, and they'll make the same claim. Hell, talk to an Athiest, and he'll say his is the right religion... or, more accurately, lack thereof.

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="mega_deth"]this is stupid first of all the pope is a complete douche bag who likes to finger himself. second none of us know if god exists because he is something beyond OUR minds so to us he doesnt exists but he does..........mega_deth

That's quite mature of you. And let me guess: Jesus was a doodoo face?

so what I can whatever i want about the pope

actually, they were written in 70 AD. They weren't named after their authors.mig_killer2

...I think there may be some confusion. Which gospels are we refering to?

[QUOTE="mega_deth"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]

[QUOTE="mega_deth"]this is stupid first of all the pope is a complete douche bag who likes to finger himself. second none of us know if god exists because he is something beyond OUR minds so to us he doesnt exists but he does..........mig_killer2

That's quite mature of you. And let me guess: Jesus was a doodoo face?

so what I can whatever i want about the pope

So, alot of people dont know bush yet they call him all kinds of things

[QUOTE="lompocus"] [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lompocus"]

Mother Teresa: "I'll go o any peace rally, but count me out of any anti-war rally"

Not the exact words but very simalar.

@ ElZilcho90: You could go with Dante's ideals. mebbe seeing a limbo or purgatory (Do Christians believe in purgatory?) as a waiting room 'till they can make a choice at the apocalypse.

Christ's divinity is still disputed, it was 'officially' decided 1700 years ago by Constantine in order to bring order to a fluctuating political state in his empire. Not to mention the 4 books in the new testament are only 4 of 60.

LJS9502_basic

Mother Teresa is not scripture.:roll:

Christ divinity is not disputed by any Christian church.:roll:

Mother Teresa was still made a saint.

We find it O.K. to talk about it in my freaking town!

She still isn't God dude....seriously.

Tell me exactly where I can find in the Bible that says eveyrone who does not explicately believe in Christ will burn in hell despite doing so much good then.