I'm wondering why believers worship him and believe he's the God of love but the God of Bible and Qur'an is very jealous, angry, petty, violent; he kills people including animals and babies, command people to kill others. I was a former Christian (Catholic), like most others Catholic I only read New testament but when I read some quotes of Old Testament regarding Yahweh''s wrath and violences, I gradually lose my faith and now I'm an athesist since I just can accept that a loving God kill so many of his creatures, men and women, animals and babies. For intances after King David takes a census, God sends a plague that kills 70,000 innocent people! If a guy kills 7 or 70 people, we'd call him a monster, but if a god kills 70,000 people, people call him a loving god!
[QUOTE="Orayus"]Marriage is between a man and a womanCRS98
and soon to be between two men or two women as well. Why not two men AND two women?Polygamy is a more complicated issue, or was that a criticism of my poor writing?
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I don't really get it.toast_burner
It's pretty simple. If gog is real, why should we worship him? The way he is portrayed makes him seem like somekind of monster.I wouldn't worship demons.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Why do non believers worship nothing toast_burner
I don't worship nothing, I don't worship anything. This. I find my purpose in life by just living a good life. I don't need to waste time putting faith in a god that may or may not exist.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Why do non believers worship nothing Bucked20
I don't worship nothing, I don't worship anything. I just said thatNo you didn't. The way you phrased it implies that there is actually some form of worship going on.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]I don't worship nothing, I don't worship anything.
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I just said thatNo you didn't. The way you phrased it implies that there is actually some form of worship going on. So you're saying you do have some worshiping going on
No you didn't. The way you phrased it implies that there is actually some form of worship going on. So you're saying you do have some worshiping going on No I'm not, learn to read.
I worship God because I cannot help but do anything else. Because I know what I deserve, because I know how God ought to have responded to me and my sin, I cannot help but respond to him with eternal gratitude. I am a guilty man who was found innocent because of Jesus. He took the payment for my sin and died the death that I deserve so that I might be in right relationship with God. Not only this but Jesus rose from the grave and will one day return to bring about a restoration to this fallen world. I cannot help but worship my savior and redeemer.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Bucked20"] Im so confused,so you don't worship but you do believe right ... You're trolling or stupid... Can't tell which.... Shut your face Nah
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Well, I can see this thread is going places. /sarcasm Well, the type of question that was asked was one that few people on these forums will ever take seriously.
If you only read the New Testament, you should read the old to understand why things happened. Then again, there's some things no one will ever understand.
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I don't really get it.toast_burner
It's pretty simple. If god is real, why should we worship him? The way he is portrayed makes him seem like somekind of monster. Just cause you believe in God doesn't mean you believe in the God of the Bible. Or any book for that matter. You can just be a general Theist.
I'm wondering why believers worship him and believe he's the God of love but the God of Bible and Qur'an is very jealous, angry, petty, violent; he kills people including animals and babies, command people to kill others. I was a former Christian (Catholic), like most others Catholic I only read New testament but when I read some quotes of Old Testament regarding Yahweh''s wrath and violences, I gradually lose my faith and now I'm an athesist since I just can accept that a loving God kill so many of his creatures, men and women, animals and babies. For intances after King David takes a census, God sends a plague that kills 70,000 innocent people! If a guy kills 7 or 70 people, we'd call him a monster, but if a god kills 70,000 people, people call him a loving god! Zensword
you wasn't a former christian dude, you was never a christian ok.
You don't have to believe in anything. That said, are you going to do something or are you just going to ask tired questions regarding a topic of which this forum has seen far too much?
I will soon be reading through the old testament to better understand God in it, but I can't say I agree that the God of the bible is inherently petty and the like. All of the bible culminates in the actions of God via his son, Jesus, that he sent his obly begotton son that we might be redeemed. That is God became man so that we might become like him, allowing us to partake and become divinised in the energies of God. I worship God for what he has done for me and what he will do for me.
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I don't really get it.themajormayor
It's pretty simple. If god is real, why should we worship him? The way he is portrayed makes him seem like somekind of monster. Just cause you believe in God doesn't mean you believe in the God of the Bible. Or any book for that matter. You can just be a general Theist. OP was clearly refering to the bible god.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]It's pretty simple. If god is real, why should we worship him? The way he is portrayed makes him seem like somekind of monster.
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Just cause you believe in God doesn't mean you believe in the God of the Bible. Or any book for that matter. You can just be a general Theist. OP was clearly refering to the bible god. Sorry didn't read it.
They've been brainwashed by their parents at an early age and they continue the tradition with their children because they are too afraid of science and reality.
Oh knows, whatever shall I do without my celestial father leering into my thoughts 24/7, controling how I speak, act, and dictate myself. I must respect all the great things about him. And oh, jesus too! What's that? My dad sent bears to kill innocent children? Oh and he created the earth in seven days, even before he created the sun which revolved around the earth to give us our time perspective? And I should respect how he discriminates against certain races, endorses genocide in certain instances, and refuses to let gay people live out their lives in a true fashion? Not to mention more people have died in his name than Hitler Stalin, and virtually every other dictator killed combined. BUT HE LOVES ALL OF US :D
1) Inferiority complex which leads to the belief that there must be something above us putting us to our place, sort of speak
2) Substitute for a parent who rewards and sets limits to their behaviors
Those are the possible explanations that I can think of.
However those are not exclusive to theists. It's just that theists deal with emotions of inferiority, helplessness, need for guidance etc in that particular way (imagining an entity that plays the necessary role).
1) Inferiority complex which leads to the belief that there must be something above us putting us to our place, sort of speak
2) Substitute for a parent who rewards and sets limits to their behaviors
Those are the possible explanations that I can think of.
However those are not exclusive to theists. It's just that theists deal with emotions of inferiority, helplessness, need for guidance etc in that particular way (imagining an entity that plays the necessary role).
Of course I'm assuming. It's just my opinion and it isnt one that I expressed as absolute or very well thought out. Just a theory.
As for the generalisation part, if my theory is true then it probably would apply to the majority of theists.
Mind you, I didnt say that there are no other drives behind deciding (whether consciously or unconsciously) to be a theist (it could be tradition of the family, the society one lives in, life experiences etc), however I think that in the presence of these there also has to be an underlying emotional drive that makes the choice to be a theist sound good and comforting and consequently feelgood and comforting. But I'm no psychologist so, as I said, that's just a theory.
Of course I'm assuming. It's just my opinion and it isnt one that I expressed as absolute or very well thought out. Just a theory.
As for the generalisation part, if my theory is true then it probably would apply to the majority of theists.
Mind you, I didnt say that there are no other drives behind deciding (whether consciously or unconsciously) to be a theist (it could be tradition of the family, the society one lives in, life experiences etc), however I think that in the presence of these there also has to be an underlying emotional drive that makes the choice to be a theist sound good and comforting and consequently feelgood and comforting. But I'm no psychologist so, as I said, that's just a theory.
I worship God because I cannot help but do anything else. Because I know what I deserve, because I know how God ought to have responded to me and my sin, I cannot help but respond to him with eternal gratitude. I am a guilty man who was found innocent because of Jesus. He took the payment for my sin and died the death that I deserve so that I might be in right relationship with God. Not only this but Jesus rose from the grave and will one day return to bring about a restoration to this fallen world. I cannot help but worship my savior and redeemer.mindstorm
What is this need to believe you're in such desperate need to be saved? Where does this come from? I once in another thread said it must be low-self esteem which you said wasn't the case....OK, I believe it. So what is it exactly? It seems your entire faith is contingent upon your continual need for someone else to come save you because without Him your worthless, not only that, but evil worthy of eternal torture. I could never be a Christian because I'd constantly have something reinforcing negative affirmations about simply being me. Doesn't it bother you that in order to believe what you do, that same belief constantly needs to belittle you into submission?
I need to find a book that elaborates on the psychology of the Christian mind.
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