Why do married people get special rights?

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#1 spacesheikh
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Isn't marriage itself unconstitutional since it discriminates against a group of people? Marriage is a private agreement made by two people. Why should the government be involved in marriage at all? And why can't unmarried people get the same benefits?

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#2 Baconbits2004
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Cause they're a family now. =]
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#3 Evil_Saluki
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It's a bit like the British law system, it's carried over tradition. If you look at it today it doesn't make sense to me either.

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#4 Marfoo
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Marriage = financial stability + children. Increased population meant more tax payers and economic growth. At least it did at one point in time. I would speculate the statistics of this have changed drastically with the major spike in divorce rates and financial crisis.
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#6 Sandulf29
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There has to be some compensation to those people who get married married :P

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I kid, I kid :lol:

what rights are you talking about?

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#7 Palantas
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Buncha BS, I think. You know guys in the Army make more money if they get married and have kids? I don't get that. The Army didn't make them have children.

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#8 spacesheikh
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what rights are you talking about?

Sandulf29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States

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#9 weezyfb
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married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers
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#10 spacesheikh
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married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers weezyfb
I can bear future taxpayers without getting married. So what??
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#11 Sandulf29
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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]

what rights are you talking about?

spacesheikh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States

Because they want families to grow. They are offering those rights so that families could flourish and remain stable. After all the next generation depends on them :P
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#12 Sandulf29
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers spacesheikh
I can bear future taxpayers without getting married. So what??

but married people have children. they are thinking about future taxes and welfare of society
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#13 cametall
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers spacesheikh
I can bear future taxpayers without getting married. So what??

From a tax standpoint it is because they produce new taxpayers. Single people who have produced taxpayers (and provide the majority of their support) also benefit tax wise.
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[QUOTE="spacesheikh"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers Sandulf29
I can bear future taxpayers without getting married. So what??

but married people have children. they are thinking about future taxes and welfare of society

I actually want children, i just dont want to get married. And i think about the welfare of society quite a bit... which is why ill be tutoring my children in math and science well beyond their years.

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#15 Megavideogamer
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Because they are now married. Forming a new legal entity and new family.

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#16 dercoo
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Considering it carpooling with life.

By coming together as a family you form a more efficient and stable economic unit.

Government rewards you for that.

Wow, i just de-emotionfied one of the most beautiful aspects of humanity:?

I honestly feel sick

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#19 SUD123456
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Isn't marriage itself unconstitutional since it discriminates against a group of people? Marriage is a private agreement made by two people. Why should the government be involved in marriage at all? And why can't unmarried people get the same benefits?

spacesheikh

There are no material benefits provided by gov't that married people have that single people are missing out on.

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#20 Vandalvideo
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Unmarried people can still get the same benefits. Its called Contract Law.
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[QUOTE="spacesheikh"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]married people are likely to be more stable, and bear future taxpayers Sandulf29
I can bear future taxpayers without getting married. So what??

but married people have children. they are thinking about future taxes and welfare of society

You have to be married to have children?
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Unmarried people can still get the same benefits. Its called Contract Law.Vandalvideo

In general, I agree with this statement. But I believe there are a few built-in spousal benefits, such as social security survivor benefits, that are un-available via a non-marital partnership contract.

I personally feel that, given that all states now have no-fault divorce laws, there is no further need for state sanctioned marriage. Eliminate all the spousal benefits currently in the legal code and abolish state sanctioned marriage. Make marriage a strictly private matter.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Unmarried people can still get the same benefits. Its called Contract Law.collegeboy64

In general, I agree with this statement. But I believe there are a few built-in spousal benefits, such as social security survivor benefits, that are un-available via a non-marital partnership contract.

I personally feel that, given that all states now have no-fault divorce laws, there is no further need for state sanctioned marriage. Eliminate all the spousal benefits currently in the legal code and abolish state sanctioned marriage. Make marriage a strictly private matter.

Since when could social security benefits not be used as consideration in a contract? Example: And this is freaking example. Let me make that clear. This is not a binding contract. I, vandalvideo, agree in part to provide collegeboy64 with benefits accrued from the government upon my death or removal from the work force for any reason as consideration for a really good hamburger. This arrangement is conditioned precedent on the hamburger being good.
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#25 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Sandulf29"] but married people have children. they are thinking about future taxes and welfare of societythegerg
You have to be married to have children?

No, but married couples will generally provide a more stable childhood environment which will produce more valuable citizens.

What difference does it make whether the couple are married are not? Does getting married give you some supernatural powers of being great parents completely out of nowhere?

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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Unmarried people can still get the same benefits. Its called Contract Law.Vandalvideo

In general, I agree with this statement. But I believe there are a few built-in spousal benefits, such as social security survivor benefits, that are un-available via a non-marital partnership contract.

I personally feel that, given that all states now have no-fault divorce laws, there is no further need for state sanctioned marriage. Eliminate all the spousal benefits currently in the legal code and abolish state sanctioned marriage. Make marriage a strictly private matter.

Since when could social security benefits not be used as consideration in a contract? Example: And this is freaking example. Let me make that clear. This is not a binding contract. I, vandalvideo, agree in part to provide collegeboy64 with benefits accrued from the government upon my death or removal from the work force for any reason as consideration for a really good hamburger. This arrangement is conditioned precedent on the hamburger being good.

Just to be clear, I doubt I have anywhere near the legal expertise you have, so I am not trying to pick a fight with you.

Its my understanding that when my dad passes, the fed govt will then increase the payment my mom receives by some amount that represents a percentage of what my dad was receiving. I think its called the surviving spouse benefit. Assuming you have no spouse, can you direct the fed govt to send me a percentage of your social security benefit upon your death, via a private partnership contract?

Cuz if you can, I really do make a damn good hamburger 8)

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#28 Ghost_702
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Perhaps it's to encourage people to get married and have children to help out the economy in the long run.
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#29 Vandalvideo
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Just to be clear, I doubt I have anywhere near the legal expertise you have, so I am not trying to pick a fight with you.Its my understanding that when my dad passes, the fed govt will then increase the payment my mom receives by some amount that represents a percentage of what my dad was receiving. I think its called the surviving spouse benefit. Assuming you have no spouse, can you direct the fed govt to send me a percentage of your social security benefit upon your death, via a private partnership contract? Cuz if you can, I really do make a damn good hamburger 8)collegeboy64
Nah, you can't direct the federal government to directly send the cash to another person who is not the designated person for the benefits. This is primarily because you would be violating the statute which mandates the parties which the government can send it to. What you would have to do is have a party lawfully obtain it from the government, EG a spouse or yourself, and then that person would have to contract out the money to a third party. I guess the wording for our hypothetical contract would look more like. I, vandalvideo, or any of my progeny which do so obtain any benefits accrued from the federal government upon any kind of impairement, benefit, or change in circumstance not falling within the afforementioned shall grant as consideration to collegeboy64 such benefits in return for a really dang good hamburger. This arrangement is conditioned precedent on it being a really good hamburger as to be defined by me or my progeny. Anyway, the moral of the story is that an unscrupulous contract attorney could get non spousal parties the benefits of social security.
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#30 Jd1680a
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Here is my guess, there is alot of political clout with married people. A senator would need to speak to married people, since its probably the majority of the voters.

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#31 The_Gaming_Baby
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[QUOTE="TC"]

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Because married people are better than you.

haha nice