why do people consider fingerprinting and DNA testing an invasion of privacy?

i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the law

but thats why we cant take a sample of everyone's DNA at birth or mandatory finger prints, its an invasion of privacy and in the US, you need a warrant.

i truly cant think of a legit reason why people would consider it an privacy breach, whens the last time you said "everyones gonna know my DNA make up" or "hope my fingerprints not on file cause i dont want anyone to know of the volunteer work i did at the homeless shelter"

why do people think its an invasion of privacy?

i guess it is an invasion to the privacy, but only to criminals or suspected criminals and if u are just a suspect and supply ur DNA/fingerprints it wont come back to bite u in the ass unless u actually do commit a crime

i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the law

but thats why we cant take a sample of everyone's DNA at birth or mandatory finger prints, its an invasion of privacy and in the US, you need a warrant.

i truly cant think of a legit reason why people would consider it an privacy breach, whens the last time you said "everyones gonna know my DNA make up" or "hope my fingerprints not on file cause i dont want anyone to know of the volunteer work i did at the homeless shelter"

why do people think its an invasion of privacy?

i guess it is an invasion to the privacy, but only to criminals or suspected criminals and if u are just a suspect and supply ur DNA/fingerprints it wont come back to bite u in the ass unless u actually do commit a crime

i-rock-socks

The fact of the matter is this: The Federal government DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT to force you to give them your fingerprints or DNA

i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the law

but thats why we cant take a sample of everyone's DNA at birth or mandatory finger prints, its an invasion of privacy and in the US, you need a warrant.

i truly cant think of a legit reason why people would consider it an privacy breach, whens the last time you said "everyones gonna know my DNA make up" or "hope my fingerprints not on file cause i dont want anyone to know of the volunteer work i did at the homeless shelter"

why do people think its an invasion of privacy?

i guess it is an invasion to the privacy, but only to criminals or suspected criminals and if u are just a suspect and supply ur DNA/fingerprints it wont come back to bite u in the ass unless u actually do commit a crime

i-rock-socks

Who cares if someone has a reason not to give their DNA or fingerprint to the government. Do you think that Police should be able to search your computer or your house while you're not using them or while you're not at home?

The fact of the matter is this: The Federal government DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT to force you to give them your fingerprints or DNA

fatamericandude

A few years from know, people will be able to figure out your medical problems based off DNA (assuming you have something genetic).cd_rom

i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the lawi-rock-socks

You have to be kidding me. Why does it have to be called avoiding the law just because you don't want the government having that kind of information on record? I have an idea, why don't you let them install video cameras in your house and let them watch every move you make, if you refuse then you MUST be trying to aoid the law.

[QUOTE="i-rock-socks"]i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the lawMushroomWig

[QUOTE="i-rock-socks"]i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the lawMushroomWig

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="i-rock-socks"]i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the lawCRS98

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="i-rock-socks"]i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the lawFamiking

It's exactly the same basic principle, people like you don't seem to have any issues with a lack of basic privacyMushroomWig

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] It's exactly the same basic principle, people like you don't seem to have any issues with a lack of basic privacyFamiking

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] It's exactly the same basic principle, people like you don't seem to have any issues with a lack of basic privacyFamiking

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] That's not the point, it's called having the right to privacy.Ninja-Hippo

Except we are not talking about just having the DNA of criminals on file - we are talking about having EVERYONE's DNA on file. Do you know how much you can tell from DNA? You can tell if a person has any diseases. You can tell who they are related too. Etc.

It IS an invasion of privacy. It also introduces a whole new way to discriminate against someone.

Except we are not talking about just having the DNA of criminals on file - we are talking about having EVERYONE's DNA on file. Do you know how much you can tell from DNA? You can tell if a person has any diseases. You can tell who they are related too. Etc.

It IS an invasion of privacy. It also introduces a whole new way to discriminate against someone.

JadeNic

[QUOTE="JadeNic"]Except we are not talking about just having the DNA of criminals on file - we are talking about having EVERYONE's DNA on file. Do you know how much you can tell from DNA? You can tell if a person has any diseases. You can tell who they are related too. Etc.

It IS an invasion of privacy. It also introduces a whole new way to discriminate against someone.

Famiking

CUrre

[QUOTE="JadeNic"]Except we are not talking about just having the DNA of criminals on file - we are talking about having EVERYONE's DNA on file. Do you know how much you can tell from DNA? You can tell if a person has any diseases. You can tell who they are related too. Etc.

It IS an invasion of privacy. It also introduces a whole new way to discriminate against someone.

Famiking

Currently the government can only look up my medical records if I am in connection with a crime, and given that I was given up for adoption anonymously, they do not know who I am related too.

Currently the government can only look up my medical records if I am in connection with a crime, and given that I was given up for adoption anonymously, they do not know who I am related too.

JadeNic

[QUOTE="JadeNic"]Currently the government can only look up my medical records if I am in connection with a crime, and given that I was given up for adoption anonymously, they do not know who I am related too.

Famiking

First of all, schools and other public institutions can NOT access my records without my permission. In fact, I just had to give a copy of my records to my school. Why would I have to do that if they could already access them?

You are missing my point. While the government may be able to access certain things about me in certain situations, having a database of everyone's DNA is something completely different. Right now I am merely a number to the government. With a centralized database they can find all sort of crap out about me with the click of a button. Requiring every person to give a DNA sample to this database is an invasion of privacy, and that is why some people are against it.

i cant even make up a reason someone wouldnt want to supply their DNA or fingerprint other then to avoid the law

i-rock-socks

Because I do not trust the government to not use my DNA to harm me in some way.

[QUOTE="CRS98"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] You have to be kidding me. Why does it have to be called avoiding the law just because you don't want the government having that kind of information on record? I have an idea, why don't you let the install video cameras in your house and let them watch every move you make, if you refuse then you MUST be trying to aoid the law.MushroomWig

You lose this right when you commit crime.

First of all, schools and other public institutions can NOT access my records without my permission. In fact, I just had to give a copy of my records to my school. Why would I have to do that if they could already access them?

You are missing my point. While the government may be able to access certain things about me in certain situations, having a database of everyone's DNA is something completely different. Right now I am merely a number to the government. With a centralized database they can find all sort of crap out about me with the click of a button. Requiring every person to give a DNA sample to this database is an invasion of privacy, and that is why some people are against it.

JadeNic

And the government in such a case would not be able to look up your DNA without a reason. The difference is that he actually has access to them. Which is pretty much the same as the school having access to your immunization records. The government knows a lot more about you than your social security number.

i dont want my dna or fingerprints in some government database. simple as thatweezyfb

Yea, I wouldn't as well.

I also don't want my name, age, address, colour, social security number, place of birth, Id number, driver's license, property information, family or my educational background on a government database either!

Oh wait! D:

Well, when you gave in your copy you gave them access to your immunization records. They would kick you out of school otherwise.

And the government in such a case would not be able to look up your DNA without a reason. The difference is that he actually has access to them. Which is pretty much the same as the school having access to your immunization records. The government knows a lot more about you than your social security number.

Famiking

I understand that the government can access records if I am under suspicion or a victim in a crime. Having a database of DNA is different, though. With a database they can do a search for anybody that may develop Alzheimer's, for example. They can tell that I am Jewish from my DNA. I know these examples don't seem serious, but it is still an invasion of privacy. Then you get the bright people that want to try and identify criminals before they can commit a crime by profiling people based on their ancestry's crime statistics and things like that. This is just a new way to profile people.

A database such as this is wrought for abuse.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] It's exactly the same basic principle, people like you don't seem to have any issues with a lack of basic privacyMushroomWig

Ever heard of the expression "mind your own bussines"? i'm sure you use it without having the need to justify yourself. Its as simple as that, its a basic human right.OBLOK

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]Ever heard of the expression "mind your own bussines"? i'm sure you use it without having the need to justify yourself. Its as simple as that, its a basic human right.i-rock-socks

The government doesn't wholesale murder and rape it's citizens, though.

Just because one bad thing happens in life and it cannot be eradicated does not validate doing other bad things.

Everytime you use a check, cash machine, your cellphone, walk past a surveillance camera (in stores or street), go to a doctor, hospital, dentist, check into a hotel, when you get your loan... big brother is watching you from the day you were born. And does it matter? Does it hinder you in your life? I guess not.

I don't mind fingerprints and DNA tests. If they can help me better in an emergency case in the hospital because they have my DNA good for me. Or when it's easier to arrest perpetrators I'm all okay with it. I don't mind cameras in public spaces, as long as they don't hang them in my home I'm fine with them.