Why do people get so bent over genre labeling of bands/artists?
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Yes same here :PMetallica is death metal cause when I hear Metalllica I want to commit suicide :(
I_Am_Sexy
Note how only pop/rock/metal fans get their panties in a twist? It is due to their juvenile nature, reflected in the kind of music they listen to.burpysmurphLOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're in
Music labeling is very important, it lets someone how has not listened to a certain band know what they sound like with out having to listen to them. For example.....
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a bunch of guitars and drums with a singer."
as opposed to
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a mixture of psychedelic rock with grunge/pop."Â
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Note how only pop/rock/metal fans get their panties in a twist? It is due to their juvenile nature, reflected in the kind of music they listen to.I_Am_SexyLOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're in "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...
Music labeling is very important, it lets someone how has not listened to a certain band know what they sound like with out having to listen to them. For example.....
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a bunch of guitars and drums with a singer."
as opposed to
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a mixture of psychedelic rock with grunge/pop."Â
LOL I think the point is that there's so many genres and sub-genres these days that they're almost not even realy different, so there's no point in so many different names for genres[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Note how only pop/rock/metal fans get their panties in a twist? It is due to their juvenile nature, reflected in the kind of music they listen to.burpysmurphLOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're in "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point... LOL everyone feels anger, mister perfect LOL some people get out their frustration through song, it's like therapy, maybe you just don't understand oh well
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Note how only pop/rock/metal fans get their panties in a twist? It is due to their juvenile nature, reflected in the kind of music they listen to.burpysmurphLOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're in "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...
/facedesk
I listen to "loud angry music" and I'm fine with my life
but you're probably going to comeback with "thats not true" or something.
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're inI_Am_Sexy"loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point... LOL everyone feels anger, mister perfect LOL some people get out their frustration through song, it's like therapy, maybe you just don't understand oh well Surely dealing with real-world issues that concern you are better dealt with by confronting them head-on, and not self-venting through music!? Who is it that constantly accuses me of being Mr. Perfect?!
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]LOL I think the point is that there's so many genres and sub-genres these days that they're almost not even realy different, so there's no point in so many different names for genres Now that part made me :lol:Music labeling is very important, it lets someone how has not listened to a certain band know what they sound like with out having to listen to them. For example.....
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a bunch of guitars and drums with a singer."
as opposed to
"Hey have you heard of The SilverSun Pickups? You should, they sound like a mixture of psychedelic rock with grunge/pop."
I_Am_Sexy
Surely dealing with real-world issues that concern you are better dealt with by confronting them head-on, and not self-venting through music!? Who is it that constantly accuses me of being Mr. Perfect?!burpysmurphLOL @ real world issues maybe someone is mad about people cutting them off in traffic so instead of getting a gun and road raging, they make a pissed off song about it, tons of people can relate, buy the song, the band gets rich, and people are sfaer on the roads since everyone vented to the song LOL case closed, you're welcome sir
I personally think that music is the portal to who people are, and that accounts for people trying to be something they're not by listening to music that gives them a sense of belonging to that special click of human. So challenging the assignment of one genre from (oh let's just say) goth rock to punk rock, well - you probably just made a lot of sad emotional boys and girls very upset.bugtripThis, but it's 'clique' not 'click'.
This has gotten to be a ridiculous conversation. Obviously not everyone who listens to loud, intense music like rock and metal does it to vent their underlying anger. There are SOME people who do this but they're probably a minority and either way people shouldn't have to come up with a reason for listening to music.felixworksyeah I know LOL some people like the construction and progression of metal songs it's a rhythm thing, like math, it's cool bro, I like metal
[QUOTE="bugtrip"]I personally think that music is the portal to who people are, and that accounts for people trying to be something they're not by listening to music that gives them a sense of belonging to that special click of human. So challenging the assignment of one genre from (oh let's just say) goth rock to punk rock, well - you probably just made a lot of sad emotional boys and girls very upset.Cherokee_JackThis, but it's 'clique' not 'click'. thanks
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Surely dealing with real-world issues that concern you are better dealt with by confronting them head-on, and not self-venting through music!? Who is it that constantly accuses me of being Mr. Perfect?!I_Am_SexyLOL @ real world issues maybe someone is mad about people cutting them off in traffic so instead of getting a gun and road raging, they make a pissed off song about it, tons of people can relate, buy the song, the band gets rich, and people are sfaer on the roads since everyone vented to the song LOL case closed, you're welcome sir This is too true. Write a song about how pissed you are, without taking the appropriate steps to address or rectify your issue. Wrong answer. That is the juvenile approach. Deal with life as you (and are) an equal to everyone else, not implode into one's self and write an angry song about it that may get you laid by some idiot teenage girl. Consult your local congressman or in the UK (MP). State your issues, become involved with society, don't alienate yourself, thinking no one will care.
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Surely dealing with real-world issues that concern you are better dealt with by confronting them head-on, and not self-venting through music!? Who is it that constantly accuses me of being Mr. Perfect?!burpysmurphLOL @ real world issues maybe someone is mad about people cutting them off in traffic so instead of getting a gun and road raging, they make a pissed off song about it, tons of people can relate, buy the song, the band gets rich, and people are sfaer on the roads since everyone vented to the song LOL case closed, you're welcome sir This is too true. Write a song about how pissed you are, without taking the appropriate steps to address or rectify your issue. Wrong answer. That is the juvenile approach. Deal with life as you (and are) an equal to everyone else, not implode into one's self and write an angry song about it that may get you laid by some idiot teenage girl. Consult your local congressman or in the UK (MP). State your issues, become involved with society, don't alienate yourself, thinking no one will care. LOL mister serious venting is good for you bottling it up is bad, which I'm guessing is what you're suggesting and if it leads to getting laid, then I guess it paid off, LOL don't be jealous
I mean its not going to effect the music.The only time I say something is when someone is way off,like calling metallica death metal.dominerTrue enough, but sometimes people make ridiculously bad mistakes in mis-labeling bands. Like, for instance, called My Chemical Romance emo, when MCR isn't even close to the emo sound(which originates from the "hardcore" scene in Washington during the 80's). That kinda stuff pisses me off a bit.
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL @ real world issues maybe someone is mad about people cutting them off in traffic so instead of getting a gun and road raging, they make a pissed off song about it, tons of people can relate, buy the song, the band gets rich, and people are sfaer on the roads since everyone vented to the song LOL case closed, you're welcome sirI_Am_SexyThis is too true. Write a song about how pissed you are, without taking the appropriate steps to address or rectify your issue. Wrong answer. That is the juvenile approach. Deal with life as you (and are) an equal to everyone else, not implode into one's self and write an angry song about it that may get you laid by some idiot teenage girl. Consult your local congressman or in the UK (MP). State your issues, become involved with society, don't alienate yourself, thinking no one will care. LOL mister serious venting is good for you bottling it up is bad, which I'm guessing is what you're suggesting and if it leads to getting laid, then I guess it paid off, LOL don't be jealous Did you understand anything I said?!?
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Note how only pop/rock/metal fans get their panties in a twist? It is due to their juvenile nature, reflected in the kind of music they listen to.burpysmurphLOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're in "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
[QUOTE="dominer"]I mean its not going to effect the music.The only time I say something is when someone is way off,like calling metallica death metal.LockedgeTrue enough, but sometimes people make ridiculously bad mistakes in mis-labeling bands. Like, for instance, called My Chemical Romance emo, when MCR isn't even close to the emo sound(which originates from the "hardcore" scene in Washington during the 80's). That kinda stuff pisses me off a bit. People call them emo because they're popular in emo culture. Most people don't know anything about emocore.
"loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL not really, I don't wear panties and metal is awesome I coudln't care less about genres I think all music is just music, and different influences create the sound of whatever goes into each song angry songs have loud crunchy guitars and screaming to match the mood and love songs have slow tempos and cute little synth sounds to fit the mood, it's all the same LOL genres are a joke man, all music is the same it's just all about what mood you're inblack_cat19
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone."loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...burpysmurph
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone. LOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL![QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...burpysmurph
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone.How is that a wrong answer? He said why he liked the music, it's his opinion. Just because people have different musical tastes than you doesn't mean it's crap. What kind of music do you listen to anyways?
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone. LOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL! I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.Â
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
I_Am_Sexy
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone. burpysmurphLOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL! I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable. no bro, you just sold out LOL the reason it's not accepted by mainstream is because of christianity's chokehold on the media and the music is usually anti-christian has nothing to do with lack of talent. I mean just look at n' sync and crap like that. they have no talent but become millionaires because it's so cute and family friendly LOL I bet you just looked up those band names too, you don't know them LOL
[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] "loud angry music" reflects an ineptitude of ones ability to deal with ones own personal life issues, so they use such music to vent their anger and dissatisfaction with life in a superficial manner. Come on, argue this point...burpysmurph
It's not very fair to generalize like that, I'm 20 and I still listen to Metal. I don't like it because it's angry, or badass, or satanic, or whatever, I'm past that stage of wanting to fit in and I'm actually very happy with my life, I'm not an angsty teenager anymore, and I listen to Metal no matter what mood I'm in. I never even liked any of the more "brutal" stuff out there, I mainly listen to Melodic/Symphonic Metal, and I like it because it's some of the most complex popular music out there, a lot more thought and talent goes into it than your average pop song. I don't even know what the lyrics for half of the stuff I listen to are, all that matters to me is that the actual music sounds good.
Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone.I listen to it because I like it, I love music, it means everything to me, but lyrics aren't music, so I don't care about them, and it does mean something to me on a personal level, it's just that the MUSIC gets to me, not the lyrics, or are you telling me a sonata, concerto, symphony, etc., have no message simply because they have no lyrics?
I am very proud, comfortable and happy with who I am, and I know exactly what it is I like and don't like, thank you very much. You want simple, defined reasons why I like the music I like?
I like Metal because to me it conveys strenght and energy, and also because a lot of the time it has an epic or grandiose feel to it, which are two of my favorite qualities in a piece of music (Beethoven's 9th symphony happens to be my favorite piece of music ever because imo it offers a perfect mix of these qualities with another crucial factor I always look for in music, which is sheer beauty). I don't like metal when it gets too carried away on anger and agression to the point it forgets about cohesiveness and beauty, which is why I listen to Melodic or Symphonic bands as opposed to Brutal Death Metal.
Is that good enough for you?
the reason it's not accepted by mainstream is because of christianity's chokehold on the media and the music is usually anti-christianI_Am_Sexy
Yeah, the media is completely controlled by fundies nowadays. You have to go deep underground to find anything critical of Christianity, let me tell ya.
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL!I_Am_SexyI am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable. no bro, you just sold out LOL the reason it's not accepted by mainstream is because of christianity's chokehold on the media and the music is usually anti-christian has nothing to do with lack of talent. I mean just look at n' sync and crap like that. they have no talent but become millionaires because it's so cute and family friendly LOL I bet you just looked up those band names too, you don't know them LOL The world on a global scale deplores Christian fundamentalists and pop-idols alike- you have no clue! The majority of the world does not accept such crap because it knows such nonsense is the domain of zitty teenaged kids that live in their parent's basement and study mythological deities and mass murderers to gain tips on how they can future contribute their two cents...
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone. burpysmurphLOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL! I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable. Just wondering what music you enjoy (which obviously must be respected on a global scale)? You're right that music IS art, it should pose some meaning to the individual who listens to it other than "that riff is rifftacular!1!!1!", but I'd hardly lay down such a blanket statement about metal like you did. I rarely ever listen to the genre anymore, as I've outgrown it(I still enjoy it, but I can't find the passion for it anymore), but there's plenty of solid stuff in the genre. It's not always "crap, shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment", although I will say that quite a few bands do employ such a lyrical process; although it IS found within many other genres such as punk, pop, rock, rap, hip-hop, funk, etc. There's nothing wrong with admiring a song for its great beat, or bassline, but it's never a lasting admiration, and should never be the pinnacle of someone's pursuit into music. I feel a lot of casual music listeners follow this method and it explains their immense ADHD with music today played on MTV/radio etc and forgetting entire bands within a year or two, and potentially not even enjoying them anymore.
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL!LockedgeI am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable. Just wondering what music you enjoy (which obviously must be respected on a global scale)? You're right that music IS art, it should pose some meaning to the individual who listens to it other than "that riff is rifftacular!1!!1!", but I'd hardly lay down such a blanket statement about metal like you did. I rarely ever listen to the genre anymore, as I've outgrown it(I still enjoy it, but I can't find the passion for it anymore), but there's plenty of solid stuff in the genre. It's not always "crap, shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment", although I will say that quite a few bands do employ such a lyrical process; although it IS found within many other genres such as punk, pop, rock, rap, hip-hop, funk, etc. There's nothing wrong with admiring a song for its great beat, or bassline, but it's never a lasting admiration, and should never be the pinnacle of someone's pursuit into music. I feel a lot of casual music listeners follow this method and it explains their immense ADHD with music today played on MTV/radio etc and forgetting entire bands within a year or two, and potentially not even enjoying them anymore. Are you familiar with John Zorn and his work with Mike Patton (Naked City)?
[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.burpysmurphno bro, you just sold out LOL the reason it's not accepted by mainstream is because of christianity's chokehold on the media and the music is usually anti-christian has nothing to do with lack of talent. I mean just look at n' sync and crap like that. they have no talent but become millionaires because it's so cute and family friendly LOL I bet you just looked up those band names too, you don't know them LOL The world on a global scale deplores Christian fundamentalists and pop-idols alike- you have no clue! The majority of the world does not accept such crap because it knows such nonsense is the domain of zitty teenaged kids that live in their parent's basement and study mythological deities and mass murderers to gain tips on how they can future contribute their two cents... funny that you talk about everyone like their dim-witted zombies, but you're the on who thinks all teenagers hang out in their parents basement and worship mass murderers LOL WTF :lol:
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] no bro, you just sold out LOL the reason it's not accepted by mainstream is because of christianity's chokehold on the media and the music is usually anti-christian has nothing to do with lack of talent. I mean just look at n' sync and crap like that. they have no talent but become millionaires because it's so cute and family friendly LOL I bet you just looked up those band names too, you don't know them LOLI_Am_SexyThe world on a global scale deplores Christian fundamentalists and pop-idols alike- you have no clue! The majority of the world does not accept such crap because it knows such nonsense is the domain of zitty teenaged kids that live in their parent's basement and study mythological deities and mass murderers to gain tips on how they can future contribute their two cents... funny that you talk about everyone like their dim-witted zombies, but you're the on who thinks all teenagers hang out in their parents basement and worship mass murderers LOL WTF :lol: I wen't a little awry with that one, pardon my drunkeness, but I still don't get your point? Are you suggesting I am one such individual?
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[QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] Wrong answer. You don't know what half of the lyrics are. Do you even know why you listen to such crap? Listen to music as if it was a reflection of yourself, and if you can't even tell what that is, why bother?! Music, as any other art form, should mean something to you on a personal level, entirely, and not simply on some cursory level (the riff was cool, but I couldn't tell what they were saying)- WHAT IS THIS?!? Take more pride in your life! Know that what you like, you like for very defined reasons, reasons that you could explain to anyone. burpysmurphLOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL! I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.
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You are well versed in Death and Thrash metal, you don't know the whole genre, and the music I listen to is nothing like those bands...
Lacrimosa:
Sacrifice
Eine Nacht in Ewigkeit
Haggard:
Eppur Si Muove
In A Pale Moon's Shadow
Mägo de Oz:
La Costa Del Silencio
La Voz Dormida
Sonata Arctica:
The End Of This Chapter
White Pearl, Black Oceans
Therion:
Birth Of Venus Illegitima
Clavicula Nox
After Forever:
Emphasis
Envision
Nightwish:
Gethsemane
Ghost Love Score
To/Die/For:
Dying Embers
I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.Â
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="I_Am_Sexy"] LOL what's your problem I know the words of the metal songs I listen to, in fact I never even read them, I can hear them loud and clear because when you listen to metal a lot, you develop an ear for it, and yes the lyrics are usually very deep metal is deeper than you think, maybe that's why you don't like it, because you just can't hear the words LOL or maybe you'd actually have to try and be tolerant for once and that's obviously too hard for you LOL!black_cat19
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You are well versed in Death and Thrash metal, you don't know the whole genre, and the music I listen to is nothing like those bands...
Lacrimosa:
Sacrifice
Eine Nacht in Ewigkeit
Haggard:
Eppur Si Muove
In A Pale Moon's Shadow
Mägo de Oz:
La Costa Del Silencio
La Voz Dormida
Sonata Arctica:
The End Of This Chapter
White Pearl, Black Oceans
Therion:
Birth Of Venus Illegitima
Clavicula Nox
After Forever:
Emphasis
Envision
Nightwish:
Gethsemane
Ghost Love Score
To/Die/For:
Dying Embers
Autumn Forever
[QUOTE="black_cat19"]Â
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"] I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.burpysmurph
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You are well versed in Death and Thrash metal, you don't know the whole genre, and the music I listen to is nothing like those bands...
Lacrimosa:
Sacrifice
Eine Nacht in Ewigkeit
Haggard:
Eppur Si Muove
In A Pale Moon's Shadow
Mägo de Oz:
La Costa Del Silencio
La Voz Dormida
Sonata Arctica:
The End Of This Chapter
White Pearl, Black Oceans
Therion:
Birth Of Venus Illegitima
Clavicula Nox
After Forever:
Emphasis
Envision
Nightwish:
Gethsemane
Ghost Love Score
To/Die/For:
Dying Embers
Autumn Forever
Like I said, I don't care about lyrics, I only care about music, and the "music as a whole" is still intact because lyrics aren't music, you of all people should know this, vocals (the melody a singer creates with their voice) are music, but whatever words are actually being spoken while creating this melody (lyrics) aren't part of the music. These songs have vocal melodies that are as good as the rest of the music, and they would work just fine if the singers were just humming (or saying la-la-la or whatever it's called) the melody without actually saying anything, or if they had another instrument that played the vocal's melody in place of a singer, so music-wise the songs are fine, and whatever deep or shallow message the lyrics are delivering doesn't affect the quality of the music in the slightest.
[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"] I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.burpysmurphJust wondering what music you enjoy (which obviously must be respected on a global scale)? You're right that music IS art, it should pose some meaning to the individual who listens to it other than "that riff is rifftacular!1!!1!", but I'd hardly lay down such a blanket statement about metal like you did. I rarely ever listen to the genre anymore, as I've outgrown it(I still enjoy it, but I can't find the passion for it anymore), but there's plenty of solid stuff in the genre. It's not always "crap, shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment", although I will say that quite a few bands do employ such a lyrical process; although it IS found within many other genres such as punk, pop, rock, rap, hip-hop, funk, etc. There's nothing wrong with admiring a song for its great beat, or bassline, but it's never a lasting admiration, and should never be the pinnacle of someone's pursuit into music. I feel a lot of casual music listeners follow this method and it explains their immense ADHD with music today played on MTV/radio etc and forgetting entire bands within a year or two, and potentially not even enjoying them anymore. Are you familiar with John Zorn and his work with Mike Patton (Naked City)? I'm a fan of Mike Patton due to his work in mr. Bungle(among his other projects), but I can't say I'm a committed fan of John Zorn. His work is very polarizing...it's a love it/hate it situation(at least for me) and while I mostly enjoyed Hockey, Fencing, and about half of The Big Gundown, I can't say I'm a fan of most of the rest I've heard from him. I haven't heard Naked City though. I've heard it described as an "avante jazz-punk explosion" by my cousin whose tastes in music are even more eccentric than mine, and that was enough to put me off. I love jazz(aside from a good amount of free-jazz I've heard), but I've never been a "punk" person. I'm not too fond of the genre and the sound, and it tends to take a lot of talent to make me enjoy it, and most punk acts I've enjoyed have been cross-genre acts. That said, jazz and punk...I'm skeptical.
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[QUOTE="burpysmurph"] I am well versed in metal from my youth- Death, Candlemass, Rigor Mortis, Crucifux, DRI, Anthrax, Kreator, Angel of Death, Slayer, Death Angel, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Fear Factory, Coal Chamber, blah blah, it's all the same! Crap shallow lyrics dealing with juvenile sentiment, on and on...grow up! There is a reason why music like this is not respected on a global scale...think about it, if you are capable.burpysmurph
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You are well versed in Death and Thrash metal, you don't know the whole genre, and the music I listen to is nothing like those bands...
Lacrimosa:
Sacrifice
Eine Nacht in Ewigkeit
Haggard:
Eppur Si Muove
In A Pale Moon's Shadow
Mägo de Oz:
La Costa Del Silencio
La Voz Dormida
Sonata Arctica:
The End Of This Chapter
White Pearl, Black Oceans
Therion:
Birth Of Venus Illegitima
Clavicula Nox
After Forever:
Emphasis
Envision
Nightwish:
Gethsemane
Ghost Love Score
To/Die/For:
Dying Embers
Autumn Forever
[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]Most of that is Scandinavian. Kudo's for the instrumental prowess, but the lyrics (assuming you can translate them or understand them) still suck! My point still stands- the music as a whole is what matters, and if the vocal content is degenerate, it is crap. I wish more of these bands focused on instrumental music. They could really make an impact on the global scene if they did.Â
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You are well versed in Death and Thrash metal, you don't know the whole genre, and the music I listen to is nothing like those bands...
Lacrimosa:
Sacrifice
Eine Nacht in EwigkeitHaggard:
Eppur Si Muove
In A Pale Moon's ShadowMägo de Oz:
La Costa Del Silencio
La Voz DormidaSonata Arctica:
The End Of This Chapter
White Pearl, Black OceansTherion:
Birth Of Venus Illegitima
Clavicula NoxAfter Forever:
Emphasis
EnvisionNightwish:
Gethsemane
Ghost Love ScoreTo/Die/For:
Dying Embers
Autumn Foreverblack_cat19
Like I said, I don't care about lyrics, I only care about music, and the "music as a whole" is still intact because lyrics aren't music, you of all people should know this, vocals (the melody a singer creates with their voice) are music, but whatever words are actually being spoken while creating this melody (lyrics) aren't part of the music. These songs have vocal melodies that are as good as the rest of the music, and they would work just fine if the singers were just humming (or saying la-la-la or whatever it's called) the melody without actually saying anything, or if they had another instrument that played the vocal's melody in place of a singer, so music-wise the songs are fine, and whatever deep or shallow message the lyrics are delivering doesn't affect the quality of the music in the slightest.
Hmmm, One part of me want's to agree with you wholeheartedly. When I was growing up, I only ever listened to the "music" and cared less for the lyrics, assuming I could even understand them, but appreciated the tonal quality of the vocals. What happened?! I don't know. Social factors? What's with life...I am caught between a rock and a hard place...a hard place that my current peers would not even understand less accept. Life is tweaked, but I will never officially admit it. Good on ya'- ignore me from now on.yea i agree screw labeling a band some crap.
the bands i listen to you cant label them into one genre anyway.
lol label it rock
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