Why do people go nuts when the picture of Muhhamed is shown?

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. hormagaunt

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the plane and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam. You think Islam supports suprise attacks like slamming planes into buildings? **** no

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. RazMaTaz-1

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the place and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam.

why? whats america supposed to do send kids to iraq armed with stones too?

the world is just gonna sit there and watch this going on? there is a limit to it somewhere and that line what crossed, im not justifying the actions done in the war or the war itself but for every action there is a reaction.

yeah there were muslims in the twin towers but do you think the aim was to kill them, or to kill lots of "infidels" and prove a point to the world. aparently now they dont even care about blowing up other muslims now, just because they are sunni or shia is a good enough reason.

any excuse to cause trouble, and overact seems to be taken, and somehow it all comes back to being the all wests fault, and for belief in freedom of speech

you have your say and highlight it very clearly, mostly with molotov cocktails whilst we retaliate with cartoons, in essence its the same reaction but in different levels

because he is the best boxer to ever grace a ring. he floats like a butterfly stings like a bee.

oh wait you ment the islam Muhhamed I didn't even know who he was.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. hormagaunt

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the place and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam.

why? whats america supposed to do send kids to iraq armed with stones too?

the world is just gonna sit there and watch this going on? there is a limit to it somewhere and that line what crossed, im not justifying the actions done in the war or the war itself but for every action there is a reaction.

yeah there were muslims in the twin towers but do you think the aim was to kill them, or to kill lots of "infidels" and prove a point to the world. aparently now they dont even care about blowing up other muslims now, just because they are sunni or shia is a good enough reason.

any excuse to cause trouble, and overact seems to be taken, and somehow it all comes back to being the all wests fault, and for belief in freedom of speech

you have your say and highlight it very clearly, mostly with molotov cocktails whilst we retaliate with cartoons, in essence its the same reaction but in different levels

No It shows how pathetic and retarded the USA army is. Shooting defenseless kids and raping women. Why did they do it in the first place anyway? Their target was to get Saddam Husain or Bin laden, who ever they were after and thats it. The only country thats retaliated against USA IS afghanistan, so why go into Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran? oh yeah, because of "weapons of mass destruction". After all the cause they did to Iraq, they STILL havnt left that country. This is the only act Muslims have done, but it doesnt compare to what USA have done to Iraq, Pakistan, or Iran. that Sunni and Shiah fight was in Iraq, which is an extremist country in some sense.

so if i posted a pic of him now would the GS offices get bombed?maccer101

[QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. RazMaTaz-1

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the place and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam.

why? whats america supposed to do send kids to iraq armed with stones too?

the world is just gonna sit there and watch this going on? there is a limit to it somewhere and that line what crossed, im not justifying the actions done in the war or the war itself but for every action there is a reaction.

yeah there were muslims in the twin towers but do you think the aim was to kill them, or to kill lots of "infidels" and prove a point to the world. aparently now they dont even care about blowing up other muslims now, just because they are sunni or shia is a good enough reason.

any excuse to cause trouble, and overact seems to be taken, and somehow it all comes back to being the all wests fault, and for belief in freedom of speech

you have your say and highlight it very clearly, mostly with molotov cocktails whilst we retaliate with cartoons, in essence its the same reaction but in different levels

No It shows how pathetic and retarded the USA army is. Shooting defenseless kids and raping women. Why did they do it in the first place anyway? Their target was to get Saddam Husain or Bin laden, who ever they were after and thats it. The only country thats retaliated against USA IS afghanistan, so why go into Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran? oh yeah, because of "weapons of mass destruction". After all the cause they did to Iraq, they STILL havnt left that country. This is the only act Muslims have done, but it doesnt compare to what USA have done to Iraq, Pakistan, or Iran. that Sunni and Shiah fight was in Iraq, which is an extremist country in some sense.

thats the only act, your forgeting london bombings, madrid bombings, bali bombings, etc. the reason they went to iraq was probably for economic gain, but thats not the point, the point is that something was gonna happen sooner or later.

and the extremists are not pathetic for killing innocent people on holiday with their families or on the way to work? and

why did THEY do it in the first place

because were not muslim!!!

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. hormagaunt

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the place and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam.

why? whats america supposed to do send kids to iraq armed with stones too?

the world is just gonna sit there and watch this going on? there is a limit to it somewhere and that line what crossed, im not justifying the actions done in the war or the war itself but for every action there is a reaction.

yeah there were muslims in the twin towers but do you think the aim was to kill them, or to kill lots of "infidels" and prove a point to the world. aparently now they dont even care about blowing up other muslims now, just because they are sunni or shia is a good enough reason.

any excuse to cause trouble, and overact seems to be taken, and somehow it all comes back to being the all wests fault, and for belief in freedom of speech

you have your say and highlight it very clearly, mostly with molotov cocktails whilst we retaliate with cartoons, in essence its the same reaction but in different levels

No It shows how pathetic and retarded the USA army is. Shooting defenseless kids and raping women. Why did they do it in the first place anyway? Their target was to get Saddam Husain or Bin laden, who ever they were after and thats it. The only country thats retaliated against USA IS afghanistan, so why go into Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran? oh yeah, because of "weapons of mass destruction". After all the cause they did to Iraq, they STILL havnt left that country. This is the only act Muslims have done, but it doesnt compare to what USA have done to Iraq, Pakistan, or Iran. that Sunni and Shiah fight was in Iraq, which is an extremist country in some sense.

thats the only act, your forgeting london bombings, madrid bombings, bali bombings, etc. the reason they went to iraq was probably for economic gain, but thats not the point, the point is that something was gonna happen sooner or later.

and the extremists are not pathetic for killing innocent people on holiday with their families or on the way to work? and

why did THEY do it in the first place

because were not muslim!!!

Im only gonna say 1 thing. Al Queda. Big difference between Al Queda(Extremists) and Muslims. Why dont USA/UK soldiers go and hunt them down rather than popping bullets in little kids that trying to protect their country, Not to mention that USA provided weapons to Al Queda in the first place, so USA is to blame for Al Queda being so corrupted and Ill minded about all this bombing and what not.

Hhow about being a bit more discrete,cuz all i hear on the news is "Iraqi boy shot, Iranian kid this, US soldier that", oh for **** sakes. Its been a freaking decade taht The stupid troops arent even out of Iraq yet. WTF are they doing there? It was debunked few years ago that their main objective was the "weapons of mass destruction", hell, even athiests and other religions apposed against USA going to Iraq, and caused a March after George bush declaring there was no weapons of Mass destruction.

Sorry, but its tit for tat, Maybe if USA stopped attacking countries "Legimately" without the world finding out, then maybe, just maybe, Al queda may call it quits and stop doing destructive attacks.

Also what i would like to know is why Muslim..insurgents, terrorist, fanatics.. are now targeting China.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/09/china-terrorists-targete_n_90591.html

Whats China done? I have seen reports that Jihadis are moving into western China? Why? Is what happened with the US going to happen with China? All those embassy bombings and the USS Cole thing, years before Iraq ever happened.

Seem to me this increasing fundamentalism in the Islamic world is digging itself a bigger and bigger pit...

Muhammad is not a deity. He is not to be worshipped, and he wanted to emphasize that as much as possible. So he forbade showing his face, so people would not worship him, but God.

It's a very important tradition of Islam.

Well RazMaTaz-1:

We know Iraq had some WMD because they were used againt the Kurds right? Bu they were never found? Saddam got rid of them but didnt let the world know...

So i think theres a fair change he HAD other weapons, and got rid of them like the weapons we KNOW he had? A fair point.. No?

Also what i would like to know is why Muslim..insurgents, terrorist, fanatics.. are now targeting China.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/09/china-terrorists-targete_n_90591.html

Whats China done? I have seen reports that Jihadis are moving into western China? Why? Is what happened with the US going to happen with China? All those embassy bombings and the USS Cole thing, years before Iraq ever happened.

Seem to me this increasing fundamentalism in the Islamic world is digging itself a bigger and bigger pit...

Darthric

Wasnt their a similar situation where some "terrorist" is aiming for Denmark, but was utter BS? i think this is one of those situations all over again. Dont believe everything you read.

Well RazMaTaz-1:

We know Iraq had some WMD because they were used againt the Kurds right? Bu they were never found? Saddam got rid of them but didnt let the world know...

So i think theres a fair change he HAD other weapons, and got rid of them like the weapons we KNOW he had? A fair point.. No?

Darthric

Fair point, but at what cost? Blowing off civilians heads and raping women. It could have been discretely, and without killing civilians. I mean come on, stones Vs Tanks? Its laughable

Muhammad is not a deity. He is not to be worshipped, and he wanted to emphasize that as much as possible. So he forbade showing his face, so people would not worship him, but God.

It's a very important tradition of Islam.

Dracargen

if somebody worshipped my ms paint interpretation, then i know for sure id laugh. im just not sure if i would ever stop.

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Also what i would like to know is why Muslim..insurgents, terrorist, fanatics.. are now targeting China.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/09/china-terrorists-targete_n_90591.html

Whats China done? I have seen reports that Jihadis are moving into western China? Why? Is what happened with the US going to happen with China? All those embassy bombings and the USS Cole thing, years before Iraq ever happened.

Seem to me this increasing fundamentalism in the Islamic world is digging itself a bigger and bigger pit...

RazMaTaz-1

Wasnt their a similar situation where some "terrorist" is aiming for Denmark, but was utter BS? i think this is one of those situations all over again. Dont believe everything you read.

You never read the article did you. It not that they just think there targeting. There was an attempted hijacking, its actually happend...the Chinese army has killed militants in fighting to...

"Chinese forces have for years been battling a low-intensity separatist movement among Xinjiang's Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim people culturally and ethnically distinct from China's Han majority. Iron-fisted Chinese rule has largely suppressed the violence, however, and no major bombing or shooting incidents have been reported in almost a decade."

If your not sure about my link type in "China Terrorists" or something in google, there loads of reports of the incident.

So its a fact, whats the reason for it? Why are Muslims attacking China aswell? On tope of the dozons of insurgencies world wide, that we just dont hear about.

muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.lilburtonboy748

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.jointed

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

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[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.Darthric

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Dont forget how political that was to, but your right.

Now name more...

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Because Mohammed is a very sacred figure in Islam... duh?icarus212001

what about Jesus? wouldnt the same arguement be said about him? he's abviously the foundation of christianity yet his face is all over the place!

That is what they want to avoid. Idolatry is a very big sin, so there are no depictions of Mohammed in the Qu'ran or in any Islamic countries.

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[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.jointed

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

What is so hard about respecting another's culture or beliefs? If muslims have issue with the prophets picture, then I have no problem in trying to honor that custom. It's not that big of a deal.sonicare

What about women being covered up head to toe, having to walk 2 feet behind the man, not being allowed out unless accompanied by a male family member, being stoned to death for adultery, being whipped as punishment for being raped, etc. Do you respect these customs/beliefs also?

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[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.Dracargen

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

You can use the exact same arguement in the case of the muslims...

You can use the exact some arguement in the case of the muslims...

jointed

Exactly.

Unless, of course, the Qu'Ran actually says it's fine to do what they are doing, in which case religion is definitely responsible.

If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. RazMaTaz-1

People burn flags all the time; we don't riot, kill people, or hold hostages.

These fundamentalist Muslims need to grow the **** up and realize that the world doesn't share their beliefs and isn't bound by their archaic laws. Even some of the whiniest Christians in America don't ***** and moan like these guys do.

Muhammad is not a deity. He is not to be worshipped, and he wanted to emphasize that as much as possible. So he forbade showing his face, so people would not worship him, but God.

It's a very important tradition of Islam.

Dracargen

funny enough, this was the best explination. i was thinking something along these lines but didnt want to assume because, hey, you know what they say about assuming.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Darthric"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.jointed

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

You can use the exact same arguement in the case of the muslims...

No you cant? They are trying to make countries Islamic by force, they actually come out and say its, it there objective..look at the Philippines.

90% of the people are Christian, the tiny minority is fighting an insurgency to create and Islamic country there i mean WTF? In Ireland they wanted British Army out, so it was just Ireland. With Protestants in the North with Catholic in the rest...Were talking about forcefull conversation or genocide with Islamic insurgencies, fact they say it. In the direct name of there faith.

When did an IRA member say: Everyone has to become Catholic or well kill em all?

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You can use the exact some arguement in the case of the muslims...

Dracargen

Exactly.

Unless, of course, the Qu'Ran actually says it's fine to do what they are doing, in which case religion is definitely responsible.

Yeah, well then I guess we agree with each-other...for once :P

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. mikeg0788

People burn flags all the time; we don't riot, kill people, or hold hostages.

These fundamentalist Muslims need to grow the **** up and realize that the world doesn't share their beliefs and isn't bound by their archaic laws. Even some of the whiniest Christians in America don't ***** and moan like these guys do.

But they do bomb abortion clinics! :D

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]In Islam it's considered blasphemy to create a depiction of anything that God created, and especially if such a thing is done to one of the holiest figures in the religion. That's why when you look at Islamic art it's always intricate patterns, never of humans or anything recognizable from reality.whipassmt

Its not like that. Actually this case has matter of dissidence among the religionists, some say its blasphemy to Describe the exact details of human face in the draw, and others say its forbidden only to draw the holies portyals in the religion. Not the whole creatures are forbidden to be drawn. And about that intricate patterns are called Islamic embroidery its an Art as The Pictorial Drawings.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

You can use the exact some arguement in the case of the muslims...

jointed

Exactly.

Unless, of course, the Qu'Ran actually says it's fine to do what they are doing, in which case religion is definitely responsible.

Yeah, well then I guess we agree with each-other...for once :P

the quaran does say that it's right....

Sura (2:244)-"Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Sura (2:216)-"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura (3:56)-"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura (3:151)-"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Sura (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:104)-"And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they suffer pain as you suffer pain..."

Sura (5:33)-"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12)-"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39)-"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (9:123)-"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

I have lots more if you want them.

*pic*

i dont see the big deal.

LoG-Sacrament

Now THAT made me laugh! :lol:

Ok, im gonna finish this thread once and for all.

FACT

Muslims =/= Terrorists. The Terrorists are known as extremists, ask any Muslim, he would tell you that Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and all these are nutcases are terrorists, extremists, and not based on any Islamic Law. If it was, everyone in Saudi Arabia would be bombing everyone because they are the ones who follow the Shariah Law.

If Muslims were such bad people, then why is it the most popular religion that people convert to? To become terrorists? NO.

You stupid people might aswell say Muhammed Ali and Nepolean and Malcom X were screwed up in the head and a terrorists, simply because they are Muslims.

Also, Islam is a religion of peace, its what idiots like Usama Bin Laden that give Islam a bad name. If you wanna blame anyone, its USA for supplying Al Queda with guns in the first place, and them being corrupt and destroying your country. Muslims=/=Al Queda.

Get your facts right people!!

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[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.Darthric

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

You can use the exact same arguement in the case of the muslims...

No you cant? They are trying to make countries Islamic by force, they actually come out and say its, it there objective..look at the Philippines.

90% of the people are Christian, the tiny minority is fighting an insurgency to create and Islamic country there i mean WTF? In Ireland they wanted British Army out, so it was just Ireland. With Protestants in the North with Catholic in the rest...Were talking about forcefull conversation or genocide with Islamic insurgencies, fact they say it. In the direct name of there faith.

When did an IRA member say: Everyone has to become Catholic or well kill em all?

What you fail to realize is that these Muslims misinterpret the Quran...it has got nothing to do with "Muslims not being right in their heads" and everything to do with manipulative leaders and their cultural situation.

Remember, Christians did the same thing back in the days. Again, it's about culture...not religion. The only reason why you don't see people use Christianity that way now a days is because the western culture is secular and won't allow such things to happen. It's not surprising why the vast majority of Euromuslims denounce all of the atrocities currently committed by the fanatic Muslims. Most of the muslim fundamentalists have nothing but their faith...they're desperately looking for values to cling on to. The majority of Christians, on the other hand, live a fairly decent life with good living standards.....in this case, other ideologies can flourish...such as nationalism, consumerism and capitalism.

If christians were to live under the same circumstances as the Muslims...I'm sure the same kind of fanaticism would eventually take over.

That's why Christians aren't any better...they were just a tad more fortunate.

Ok, im gonna finish this thread once and for all.

FACT

Muslims =/= Terrorists. The Terrorists are known as extremists, ask any Muslim, he would tell you that Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and all these are nutcases are terrorists, extremists, and not based on any Islamic Law. If it was, everyone in Saudi Arabia would be bombing everyone because they are the ones who follow the Shariah Law.

If Muslims were such bad people, then why is it the most popular religion that people convert to? To become terrorists? NO.

You stupid people might aswell say Muhammed Ali and Nepolean and Malcom X were screwed up in the head and a terrorists, simply because they are Muslims.

Also, Islam is a religion of peace, its what idiots like Usama Bin Laden that give Islam a bad name. If you wanna blame anyone, its USA for supplying Al Queda with guns in the first place, and them being corrupt and destroying your country. Muslims=/=Al Queda.

Get your facts right people!!

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RazMaTaz-1

wow, you are a tool. ever open the quaran? didn't think so, read the verses i just posted before you try and act like you know what you are talking about. do me and everyone else a favor, before you make us all dumber, read the islamic law(the quaran) and then tell me that it is so great.

[QUOTE="Darthric"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Darthric"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.jointed

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

You can use the exact same arguement in the case of the muslims...

No you cant? They are trying to make countries Islamic by force, they actually come out and say its, it there objective..look at the Philippines.

90% of the people are Christian, the tiny minority is fighting an insurgency to create and Islamic country there i mean WTF? In Ireland they wanted British Army out, so it was just Ireland. With Protestants in the North with Catholic in the rest...Were talking about forcefull conversation or genocide with Islamic insurgencies, fact they say it. In the direct name of there faith.

When did an IRA member say: Everyone has to become Catholic or well kill em all?

What you fail to realize is that these Muslims misinterpret the Quran...it has got nothing to do with "Muslims not being right in their heads" and everything to do with manipulative leaders and their cultural situation.

Remember, Christians did the same thing back in the days. Again, it's about culture...not religion. The only reason why you don't see people use Christianity that way now a days is because the western culture is secular and won't allow such things to happen. It's not surprising why the vast majority of Euromuslims denounce all of the atrocities currently committed by the fanatic Muslims. Most of the muslim fundamentalists have nothing but their faith...they're desperately looking for values to cling on to. The majority of Christians, on the other hand, live a fairly decent life with good living standards.....in this case, other ideologies can flourish...such as nationalism, consumerism and capitalism.

If christians were to live under the same circumstances as the Muslims...I'm sure the same kind of fanaticism would eventually take over.

That's why Christians aren't any better...they were just a tad more fortunate.

haha, yea, try and misinterpret those verses. god, you people have issues, learn about islam before making claims.

[QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. The_Ish

People burn flags all the time; we don't riot, kill people, or hold hostages.

These fundamentalist Muslims need to grow the **** up and realize that the world doesn't share their beliefs and isn't bound by their archaic laws. Even some of the whiniest Christians in America don't ***** and moan like these guys do.

But they do bomb abortion clinics! :D

Seven deaths in the two most Christian nations on Earth in the last thirty years from bombings that could just as possibly been secular in nature isn't much of an argument.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

Ok, im gonna finish this thread once and for all.

FACT

Muslims =/= Terrorists. The Terrorists are known as extremists, ask any Muslim, he would tell you that Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and all these are nutcases are terrorists, extremists, and not based on any Islamic Law. If it was, everyone in Saudi Arabia would be bombing everyone because they are the ones who follow the Shariah Law.

If Muslims were such bad people, then why is it the most popular religion that people convert to? To become terrorists? NO.

You stupid people might aswell say Muhammed Ali and Nepolean and Malcom X were screwed up in the head and a terrorists, simply because they are Muslims.

Also, Islam is a religion of peace, its what idiots like Usama Bin Laden that give Islam a bad name. If you wanna blame anyone, its USA for supplying Al Queda with guns in the first place, and them being corrupt and destroying your country. Muslims=/=Al Queda.

Get your facts right people!!

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lilburtonboy748

wow, you are a tool. ever open the quaran? didn't think so, read the verses i just posted before you try and act like you know what you are talking about. do me and everyone else a favor, before you make us all dumber, read the islamic law(the quaran) and then tell me that it is so great.

Ever read a Hadith? The only time a muslim should fight is if its own country is in trouble. The rules for fighting is that Muslims are not allowed to hold Civilians captive of anysort, it should be a direct battle. WTF do Usama do? Chuck an Aeroplane into a building. Where in the Quran does it say do a suprise attack, attack innocent civilians, kill your own muslim brothers, fight agains Sunni/Shiah?

NO WHERE!!

Ok, im gonna finish this thread once and for all.

FACT

Muslims =/= Terrorists. The Terrorists are known as extremists, ask any Muslim, he would tell you that Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and all these are nutcases are terrorists, extremists, and not based on any Islamic Law. If it was, everyone in Saudi Arabia would be bombing everyone because they are the ones who follow the Shariah Law.

If Muslims were such bad people, then why is it the most popular religion that people convert to? To become terrorists? NO.

You stupid people might aswell say Muhammed Ali and Nepolean and Malcom X were screwed up in the head and a terrorists, simply because they are Muslims.

Also, Islam is a religion of peace, its what idiots like Usama Bin Laden that give Islam a bad name. If you wanna blame anyone, its USA for supplying Al Queda with guns in the first place, and them being corrupt and destroying your country. Muslims=/=Al Queda.

Get your facts right people!!

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RazMaTaz-1

Actually an old friend who was a Muslim completely supports "these idiots" and his Muslim friends, never talked about it much but we always had a few friendly words hear and there between each other. I remember him saying "my dad was jumping up and down in joy this morning", "why" i asked "an American Helicopter with 12 men on board was shot down and they were all killed"

I swear on my whole families lives that true.

The reason it the most common is because when people are looking for something like religion in there lives they get snaped up, Christianity used to fill this role but can no longer do it at the level it once could. Personally i do not consider it a good thing.

What "Nepolean" are we talking about?

Yea America screwed with politics and is now paying the price, but they not the ones doing it...

Im not stupid, nor American..

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. Dracargen

People burn flags all the time; we don't riot, kill people, or hold hostages.

These fundamentalist Muslims need to grow the **** up and realize that the world doesn't share their beliefs and isn't bound by their archaic laws. Even some of the whiniest Christians in America don't ***** and moan like these guys do.

But they do bomb abortion clinics! :D

Seven deaths in the two most Christian nations on Earth in the last thirty years from bombings that could just as possibly been secular in nature isn't much of an argument.

They were hardly secular, but that's besides the point.

It was a joke post. Not serious at all.

[QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="hormagaunt"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]If i went to USA and burnt a USA flag infront of native americans, you think they will walk away? no. Same for the picture. In Islam, any form of picture of muhammed or any prophet(including jesus) is blasphemous and shouldnt be taken lightly. I dont get it why would someone draw it in the first place, its obvious they are trying mimick islam. RazMaTaz-1

It doenst matter, either way, people will get offended regardless. The only reason people do it is to spark up a riot with the opposing religion, much like the picture of Muhammed. Do you wanna know why Pakistan have banned Youtube in their country? because of a movie trailer called "FITNA" that totally disses Islam that was supposed to be aired online, and guess what, the News didnt mention anything about it did they? All they mentioned was the government of pakistan mistakenly caused Youtube to go down, no reasons for why. Its pathetic that people put Islam down. Muslims dont go around criticising any other religion, so why do people go through drastic measures and diss islam?

no they dont diss us, but they randomly blow people up for not believing in islam, its natural for someone to strike back, even if it is a little cartoon.

beside whatever happened to freedom of speech?

If that was true every country would be in war. Its funny that you see suicide bombers at the age of 7 and kids fighting with stones in Iraq while USA send their troups out with tanks and guns. Whats worse? They randomly shoot civilians, rape people in Iraq. If you dont believe me, fine, just search Iraq in google images and you might actually see a few pics of Iraqi women getting raped. All this over 911 aswell. Suprisingly enough, there were actual muslims on both the place and the trade centre. Theres a big difference between extremeism and Islam.

why? whats america supposed to do send kids to iraq armed with stones too?

the world is just gonna sit there and watch this going on? there is a limit to it somewhere and that line what crossed, im not justifying the actions done in the war or the war itself but for every action there is a reaction.

yeah there were muslims in the twin towers but do you think the aim was to kill them, or to kill lots of "infidels" and prove a point to the world. aparently now they dont even care about blowing up other muslims now, just because they are sunni or shia is a good enough reason.

any excuse to cause trouble, and overact seems to be taken, and somehow it all comes back to being the all wests fault, and for belief in freedom of speech

you have your say and highlight it very clearly, mostly with molotov cocktails whilst we retaliate with cartoons, in essence its the same reaction but in different levels

No It shows how pathetic and retarded the USA army is. Shooting defenseless kids and raping women. Why did they do it in the first place anyway? Their target was to get Saddam Husain or Bin laden, who ever they were after and thats it. The only country thats retaliated against USA IS afghanistan, so why go into Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran? oh yeah, because of "weapons of mass destruction". After all the cause they did to Iraq, they STILL havnt left that country. This is the only act Muslims have done, but it doesnt compare to what USA have done to Iraq, Pakistan, or Iran. that Sunni and Shiah fight was in Iraq, which is an extremist country in some sense.

"No, it shows how pathetic and retarded the USA army is"

Do everyone a favor and just STFU. Just because you don't agree with what the U.S. ARMY does doesn't mean you can generalize the entire institution into such adjectives as "pathetic" and "retarded". Until I see evidence of ARMY soldiers raping women and killing defenseless kids than your claims are pathetic and retarded.

wow, you are a tool. ever open the quaran? didn't think so, read the verses i just posted before you try and act like you know what you are talking about. do me and everyone else a favor, before you make us all dumber, read the islamic law(the quaran) and then tell me that it is so great.

lilburtonboy748

I suggest taking your own advice.

And name calling doesn't get you any points. ;)

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Darthric"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Darthric"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]muslims aren't right in the head, plain and simple.lilburtonboy748

:roll: Yeah, because Christians are much better...

Actually, there hell of a lot better, yea there are nutters, but how many insurgencies exist world wide in the name of Christianity?

Theres dozens in the name is Islam...

Ehm no? Just look at Northern Ireland...

Because those battles have everything to do with religion and nothing to do with the British government.:roll:

The conflicting parties happen to be Catholic and Protestant--there is nothing religious about the Troubles.

You can use the exact same arguement in the case of the muslims...

No you cant? They are trying to make countries Islamic by force, they actually come out and say its, it there objective..look at the Philippines.

90% of the people are Christian, the tiny minority is fighting an insurgency to create and Islamic country there i mean WTF? In Ireland they wanted British Army out, so it was just Ireland. With Protestants in the North with Catholic in the rest...Were talking about forcefull conversation or genocide with Islamic insurgencies, fact they say it. In the direct name of there faith.

When did an IRA member say: Everyone has to become Catholic or well kill em all?

What you fail to realize is that these Muslims misinterpret the Quran...it has got nothing to do with "Muslims not being right in their heads" and everything to do with manipulative leaders and their cultural situation.

Remember, Christians did the same thing back in the days. Again, it's about culture...not religion. The only reason why you don't see people use Christianity that way now a days is because the western culture is secular and won't allow such things to happen. It's not surprising why the vast majority of Euromuslims denounce all of the atrocities currently committed by the fanatic Muslims. Most of the muslim fundamentalists have nothing but their faith...they're desperately looking for values to cling on to. The majority of Christians, on the other hand, live a fairly decent life with good living standards.....in this case, other ideologies can flourish...such as nationalism, consumerism and capitalism.

If christians were to live under the same circumstances as the Muslims...I'm sure the same kind of fanaticism would eventually take over.

That's why Christians aren't any better...they were just a tad more fortunate.

haha, yea, try and misinterpret those verses. god, you people have issues, learn about islam before making claims.

The same kind of verses can be found in the Bible:

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Deuteronomy 23:1

No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Samuel 17:46

"This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head ... that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel."

i'll post a few mor just to make my point....

Sura (9:123)-"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4)-"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura (61:4)-"Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Bukhari (52:177)-Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Ibn Ishaq: 992 -"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Sura (9:73)-"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

The same kind of verses can be found in the Bible:

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Deuteronomy 23:1

No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Samuel 17:46

"This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head ... that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel."

jointed

And this is why I don't argue against Islamics, for fear of listing a seemingly "evil" Qu'Ran verse which is actually something that is either out of context or not in place.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

Ok, im gonna finish this thread once and for all.

FACT

Muslims =/= Terrorists. The Terrorists are known as extremists, ask any Muslim, he would tell you that Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and all these are nutcases are terrorists, extremists, and not based on any Islamic Law. If it was, everyone in Saudi Arabia would be bombing everyone because they are the ones who follow the Shariah Law.

If Muslims were such bad people, then why is it the most popular religion that people convert to? To become terrorists? NO.

You stupid people might aswell say Muhammed Ali and Nepolean and Malcom X were screwed up in the head and a terrorists, simply because they are Muslims.

Also, Islam is a religion of peace, its what idiots like Usama Bin Laden that give Islam a bad name. If you wanna blame anyone, its USA for supplying Al Queda with guns in the first place, and them being corrupt and destroying your country. Muslims=/=Al Queda.

Get your facts right people!!

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Darthric

Actually an old friend who was a Muslim completely supports "these idiots" and his Muslim friends, never talked about it much but we always had a few friendly words hear and there between each other. I remember him saying "my dad was jumping up and down in joy this morning", "why" i asked "an American Helicopter with 12 men on board was shot down and they were all killed"

I swear on my whole families lives that true.

The reason it the most common is because when people are looking for something like religion in there lives they get snaped up, Christianity used to fill this role but can no longer do it at the level it once could. Personally i do not consider it a good thing.

What "Nepolean" are we talking about?

Yea America screwed with politics and is now paying the price, but they not the ones doing it...

Im not stupid, nor American..

The only way i can support a muslim who fights if he follows the Quran, that is not holding anyone captive, fighting like a real man, not suprise attacks like 911, london bombing. Its forbidden in Islam to hold Hostages during war, and the war should be directly with Soldiers. Anyways, the Nepolean im talking about is the Rapper who worked with Tupac. He had a rap group known as Outlaws, and he converted to Islam and talked about his lively hood to many Mosques and conferences and how Islam changed his life.