Why do so many people complain about America but no one wants to do anything about it?

• America has waged war on so many countries
• America has murdered millions of people
• America has bombed so many countries
• America has invaded so many countries
• America has destroyed so many countries
• America has destabilized so many countries
• America has been in perpetual war
• America threatens countries
• America attacks countries for oil
• America has overthrown democratically elected governments

Those are usually the complaints I come across and it goes on and on and blah blah blah blah.....

IF all that is true, why doesn't the world do something about it to make it stop, instead of complaining over and over as if complaining is going to do anything?

And before you say "America is too powerful to be stopped".... why bother complaining then if you aren't going to do anything?

Wanna know why? because America is the only country insane enough to use atomic bombs on cities

people complain about things they wont do anything about all the time.

I was complaining about the weather being cold and dull, but I'm not going to do anything about it, its human nature to complain.

As for all the anti america bullet points, the whole world doesnt feel that way.

I don't know. Why are you complaining about the people who are complaining when you're not going to do anything to stop them? What are you going to do to stop people from complaining about America? Nothing. All you can do is complain. So that's what you're doing.

Anyway, I'm not even some big Anti-America person. I mean, there are some things that suck about the USA, but for the most part it's okay. I strongly disagree with some of the sentiment that the USA is the worst thing since unsliced bread. Having said that, I think it's pretty silly to dismiss criticisms on the basis of you're not doing anything other than complaining. That's not how global (or national, or even local) problems tend to get solved. It's not a case of "well, I can't fix the entire country, so I'd might as well shut up and not say anything." It's more a case of, "I'll do what I can, and if complaining about the problem and spreading awareness about the problem helps a little bit, then hopefully down the line things eventually change."

People were "just complaining" about things like FREAKING SLAVERY long before slavery was abolished.

What exactly are we supposed to do? Walk into CIA headquarters and order them not to conduct covert operations to remove democratically elected leaders? Walk into the IMF and world bank headquarters and order them not to destabilize economies in order to scare governments into selling off public assets for pennies on the dollar? Walk into Wall Street and order traders to stop buying stock in companies run by vulture capitalists? When people are telling you that the system is hopelessly rigged your response is to fight them by using the system, how much sense does that make? It's like people who lose a ton of money at a casino even though they know going in the house always wins.

Empires fall from within.

sounds like somebody just started college.

Most see us the U.S a Superpower Country that few Countries fear us and lacks the willpower to do anything about it. The U.S looks out for itself, that's just how the U.S operates.

What is it you want us to do about it?

People have complained about parts of Africa and South America and Asia being a mess, but it's still business as usual there I guess. People have complained about France for years and it's become the butt of jokes for being cowardly and snobby, but France is still France.

I'm sure the stereotypes about places are there for a reason, though at the same time it's important to remember that stereotypes can be just that, and not everyone in a given area is necessarily the same. Here in the US we have people with lots of different opinions, and anymore we constantly clash over every new topic.

the world likes our TV shows too much

I think if it was just the U.S. looking out for itself then people wouldn't have the problems they do with us. The issue is that they're not just looking out for themselves, they're exporting ideology and using military, economic, and less official channels to do so at other countries' expense. And it's not really for the benefit of the U.S., it's for the benefit of a few well-connected individuals at the blatant expense of sovereign governments. There's a difference between looking out for yourself and unnecessarily harming others for your own gain.

Probably because USA have much influence world wide. Not to mention it is despite having a very polarized political system, it is in some way democratic in way it is elected of powers. Maybe some would say aristocratic democracy, but it still is in a way. If you compare it to other authoritarian countries that tries to compete with USA. Usually European nations or other open free democracy i think prefer USA over the others, though it gets ton of insults, but i feel like USA gets all the blame when doing stuff, its the ultimate scapegoat. Its a culture thing depending if you support freedom of expression, open belief values... Or a system where its much more restrictive.

Like it depends in the end who controls who and who wages wars. Example. Should other undemocratic powers have nukes? what are you gonna do if it happens?. for example north korea is more a belief there can be peace over war with the country despite not being pro authoritarianism. But lets say you know a country has nukes.. or can make it and is not strong yet. Then what?

So obviously there is gonna be just ton of hammering. It doesnt matter if its the democrats or republicans, one move and you get ton of hate for it. Its sad but its what it is. What kind of bugs me is all the self hating americans. Like they can try to be somewhat optimistic. If anything if it was me i would try to reform the political system so that it would be more focus on issues to debunk or show why you are right and they are wrong, and rather not focus so insanely much on the personal insults as if that has anything to do with what policies you are promoting. Like i understand voting or electing someone you can trust, but when it gets to the point where its like "this party is the bad guy... because we just were told to say that" like that is so childish to me, and dont seem to wanna explain why?. It just usually feel like to me it just is insults personally and not for what causes or issues they stand for.

Non interventionism more or less i see you are promoting. Here is the thing though, if USA is not doing it, then other would fill its place. Like lets say, Russia, China etc. I dont try to sound like anti Russian or Chinese... but the way their government works. Would you say it is better influence than USA?. I just kinda am more on team USA on that one, but that is just me.

Most of the rich and powerful, the ones who can do something about it, are supporting America. Most of the people complaining about America are the poor and the powerless.

Even in countries that get invaded/bombed/destroyed/destabilised by America, most of the rich and powerful in those very countries often support America for their own political/financial gain. While the poor and the powerless who suffer from those invasions/bombings/interventions are often the ones who oppose America, yet they're too powerless to do anything about it.

That's a benefit of having the world's largest economy. You can get most of the world's rich and powerful in your pocket... Or rather, you could argue that most of the rich and powerful around the world have America in their pockets, hence their support of America.

That sounds more like a conspiracy. Like lack of empathy model in terms of welfare in capitalism in USA i can understand. Btw socialism is bad, from Norway, not socialist but capitalism with empathy model. True socialism is like Venezuela which has rich oil reserves, socialism is a system for lazy people essentially that has zero productivity, the slogan "lets all be equally poor" fits the description perfectly.

But the only reason corruption exists is because you dont have a system to confront it, like stuff that i think is valid criticism is exploitation of cheap labour. Getting paid insanely low and unfair for doing a job for rich corporations i would say is unfair in terms of exploitation. In a realistic setting if one abuses power, one just need to get within and just change it from there. If people themself are not doing anything, saying its only the rich?, anybody can be if they work, so isnt it by default "you guys" at fault, just sounds like its typical excuse for not doing anything and just saying the rich instead of influencing them. Well who are the rich? The people themself get rich. So if you cant do anything about it, then it just is corruption within if thats the issue here.

Your argument only makes some sense for the "Global North" (e.g. most Western countries and some Asian countries), which have checks and balances in place to (at least in theory) reduce corruption and exploitation and allow more social mobility.

But your theory does not make much sense for the "Global South" (e.g. most of Asia, Africa and Latin America), where corruption and exploitation are rampant and social mobility is often limited. In many of these countries, the systems are often rigged in favour of the rich and the powerful. America often takes advantage of the flaws in these systems for their own gain. And likewise, the rich and the powerful in these countries often take advantage of America for their own gain as well.

Well i agree with that. If you mean authoritarian governments. Problem is how do you realistically solve it? The only term is two ways. 1: Hopefully the people in power can be influenced and end the corruption and work a system that is fair and can be voted for the people's interest rather than the ones in power of rich ego self interest. Or 2: A revolution needs to happen which is the most violent outcome. I generally hope more for 1 to happen over 2. But thats the stuff i can only think of that would realistically work when you live in such place. Like it may sound cold, but the problem is i think there is no way or seem to be not so much public outcry on this, it just is sort of not talked about much and just ignored because one can always boycot countries... but what if people get mad. Then what?. But yeah i wish one could say or unite on the idea that free democracy that is for the people is better than authoritarian ideals in terms of a voice (the problem is if one forces democracy it can create backlash too. The point is it is better that they see why democracy is simply better, unless they themself understand it, you get what i mean) I think in a nutshell. The people themself need to be the change, dictators etc are not a good idea because... well you know what i mean.

So in the end i think it just is up to whoever live there to change the fate, to simply make a system that favors them and not people in power self interest over whatever issues their society needs to be addressed. I mean the fact that so many corrupt people exists... and yet they cant influence them.. I just dont understand. How does this even happen in the first place that selfish people are in power etc and nobody gets organized or bats an eye to it to get some justice done.

@sauer21:

I would argue that the key long-term solution to the problems of corruption, exploitation and/or authoritarianism in the Global South is industrialisation. Most industrialised countries today started out as authoritarian regimes, and then as they industrialised, slowly began transitioning to democracy. In other words, you can't rush democracy, but it has to emerge gradually and naturally as a result of industrialisation.

In that regard, America's foreign policy has done a lot of harm to the spread of industrialisation and democracy in numerous countries. Their invasions/bombings/interventions ended up destabilising countries and halting industrialisation. America also assisted in overthrowing democratic governments and replacing them with authoritarian regimes that would better serve their interests. And when America later tried to rush the spread of democracy through war and violence, they only ended up creating a backlash against democracy.

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@MrGeezer: I'm not complaining. I'm just asking the complainers why they complain.

@theone86: Well.... sorta...... yeah!

What do you expect, that they'd listen to your complaints, feel bad, mend their ways and finally there will be no more problems?

@Damedius: Well..... okay.

When?

And

Will that make the world finally happy though?

@brimmul777: You know everything the world is doing to North Korea?

The sanctions, cutting off of diplomatic ties etc.....

Try that.

See, this is what I was talking about... Jag85 just repeated everything on my list.

Also, these look like serious allegations here BUT if that is all true, why doesn't the world do something to stop them from doing those things?

Why does everyone just talk about it an a site that deals with games or wishes that it collapses, what good is that gonna do?

@cashewnuttel:

You are complaining, fyi;)

It's obvious why they're complaining. They're complaining because they see problems that are worth complaining about.

A thread with people complaining about a guy who is complaining that people complain about America? Complaintception! ?

@cashewnuttel: No, but you asked what people like me are going to do about it. What's the point of asking that question when, by your own admission, we're powerless to stop it on our own? And by the way, there are PLENTY of people who have been doing plenty to try and stop this for years, from journalists and writers who attempt to shine a light to what's going on, to whistleblowers and officers of the court who attempt to bring wrongdoing to justice, to activists and protesters who risk imprisonment, bodily injury, and death in order to put pressure on governments to resist this sort of thing. Acting like the only people complaining about this are keyboard warriors with a grudge is utterly incorrect.

Wow, no, just no. For one, I'm not promoting non-interventionism. On the contrary, I think the US has a vital role to play in world leadership. What I am against is neo-colonialism, using underhanded tactics to put government property that the people of those countries spent time and money establishing up for sale for ridiculously rock-bottom prices, just so that well-connected speculators can buy it for cheap, jack up prices, and make a killing through what is essentially grift (oh, and then call it laissez-faire capitalism as a thin justification). China and Russia are no threat on that front, in fact both of their governments were subject to exactly the scam I just described and in both instances it resulted in the crushing of democratic movements, not a move towards democracy. China responded to democratic protests with the Tiananmen Square massacre, on the advice of free market capitalists, and then went ahead selling off state assets, resulting in a major boon for the investor class and a major bust for average Chinese citizens. Russia's president literally seized power by opposing a military tank siege on the parliament building, then when people opposed his reforms (authored by free market capitalists) he drove tanks up to the parliament building and dissolved parliament in order to stay in power. This isn't Russia and China versus the US, this is a craven class of capitalist ideologues against the world. And it isn't something that can be saved by democracy as, time and again, they've undermined democratic movements in order to maintain their racket.

I already gave a reason for that:

We can start here by boycotting Reece's Peanut Butter Cups.

Difficult I know, but sacrifices have to be made.

But its what helps us live easier life. If we were to remove that... well no TV, no trains or anything. To blame USA for simply being pro work, like they themself need to do something. Blaming america for putting bad people in charge in the first place is insanely stupid in my view (well to some degree, like i can atleast understand Iranians... though that was mostly fault of Churchill, if it has relevance then i agree... but scapegoating it for picking wrong people is when it is kind of wrong to blame it solely on USA). And it wasnt USA who started it but England when it came to industrialization, historically atleast.

Wow, no, just no. For one, I'm not promoting non-interventionism. On the contrary, I think the US has a vital role to play in world leadership. What I am against is neo-colonialism, using underhanded tactics to put government property that the people of those countries spent time and money establishing up for sale for ridiculously rock-bottom prices, just so that well-connected speculators can buy it for cheap, jack up prices, and make a killing through what is essentially grift (oh, and then call it laissez-faire capitalism as a thin justification). China and Russia are no threat on that front, in fact both of their governments were subject to exactly the scam I just described and in both instances it resulted in the crushing of democratic movements, not a move towards democracy. China responded to democratic protests with the Tiananmen Square massacre, on the advice of free market capitalists, and then went ahead selling off state assets, resulting in a major boon for the investor class and a major bust for average Chinese citizens. Russia's president literally seized power by opposing a military tank siege on the parliament building, then when people opposed his reforms (authored by free market capitalists) he drove tanks up to the parliament building and dissolved parliament in order to stay in power. This isn't Russia and China versus the US, this is a craven class of capitalist ideologues against the world. And it isn't something that can be saved by democracy as, time and again, they've undermined democratic movements in order to maintain their racket.

Ah i see. I assume you mean bankers. Well i can kinda see what you mean, like if its for exploitation and unethical business practices like cheap labour etc in terms of unfair payment to profit big corporations. Then yeah i am totally against that.

Huh? Did you even read what I said? I said industrialisation is the solution, not the problem. America's problem with regards to foreign policy is that it has been responsible for destabilising numerous nations and halting their industrialisation. And the same goes for the British Empire when that was still a thing, halting the industrialisation of their colonies so they could exploit their resources. Ever since the decline of the British Empire, America has taken over that role.

also, let's not forget, shitty leaders in other countries love america as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings. made some bad policy decisions? "not my fault! it's america who is the enemy!" appointed cronies w/ limited expertise to critical government roles only to have them fail? "must be american interference!"

Well the American Empire is already facing many of the problems the Roman Empire faced near it's end.

Namely currency debasement and immigration.

The Fed is raising interest rates. So economic issues are imminent. Immigration isn't the problem it was in Rome near the end yet. Romans had a high percentage of foreign troops in their army near the end. They ended up turning on Rome and sacking it.

No it will not make the world happy. The end of the American empire will result in chaos, war and misery.

Eh i dont agree that USA alone is doing that. If you mean they are doing wrong solutions at times, absolutely. Example. Do you think peace with North Korea is a good or bad idea? was that a bad foreign strategy move or a good move?. Thing is whining how bad USA is is like saying all other countries are perfect, England never does anything wrong, Russia does never do anything wrong. Problem with the world is two things, totalitarianism and mafia religious culture "historically, Catholicism, Orthodoxy "not that it has a bloody history as catholicism but it has establishment as authority so it has a shared history on it, " and sunni islamic religion, i dont know much on shia so i cant comment much on it" Protestantism is more or less not mafia religious culture since its institutions within an institution. But yeah, and totalitarianism. Well historically and present, this is in my view the main reason for war and conflict.

Btw i am theist, but i dont think Abrahamic religions is the right one. Since i think it was made out of spite and not to find the truth. Like i believe in God of obvious good and evil, its a new religious cult i made. Because what if following the abrahamic ones sends you to death? Just in case of thinking black and white about certain issues and group. Its either case why i dont believe it is true.

an empire expands into another country and then falls because of 'immigration'?

how very ironic

Immigration itself is not bad. The problem is if you have open flow and conflicts happens when not intergrated. So here is the thing, i am ok with open flow, no problem.... But the minute conflicts happens, thats when i am for shutting the flow. And work on intergrating people into society, once it has been settled then restart and open flow again. See thats the problem is when you just let people go in without even trying to create a society where people need trust in order to work. If not then chaos happens. Intergration is very important. Just look at countries that just let people in... without even trying to make them a part of that society. It just ends in chaos.

that is all cute and all but doesnt address my observation of irony.

1. conquest of another country to expand.

2. country falls because of 'immigration'

do you see the irony in that? do you see how the two are ironically connected?

please focus on just what I am saying, not what you think I might be implying, your getting off tract.

Conquest is a past thing. They didnt have human rights, UN back then. World today is not the same as it was in the past when people in the past just solved things by conquest. The most important thing for peace to exist is for humans to understand one another, if not that is when wars in general start. I just have a feeling this is just looking for a reason to blame someone and not see the bigger picture of how our world works now compared to in the past

I stopped right there.

we are talking about Rome.

the irony is the success of Rome is because they immigrated into other countries with force.

hello? fucking focus please

why do some try to make something more into what I say then what i say, just stick to what I said, nothing more, I am not even part of this debate, I am just making an observation about the irony, dont put in extra effort to pull me into a debate I am not even a part of for **** sake!

Well. My appologies.

The emperor allowed thousands of refugees fleeing the Huns to enter their empire. Those refugees would later sack Rome and lead to the downfall of their empire.

Probably why they don't teach much history any more. Any American studying Rome would see parallels.

Rome immigrated into other countries by using force.

thus the ironical...derp

So America is currently in the process of immigrating to the Middle East by your definition.

Good to know.

ok sure.

that is what it is, its immigration by force.

hell even Trump is calling the wave of immigrates an 'invasion', I guess its not if its done by white people?

It is absolutely not just bankers, it's an entire group of well-connected individuals in various industries who use government connections in order to enrich themselves. Haliburton is a prime example, a corporation that used political connections in order to push for privatization measures that were in its own best interest, then conveniently won no-bid contracts from that same government. The Iraq war is another prime example. The U.S. dives headfirst into an ill-advised war, and then privatizes almost all of the services performed by the military, including greatly expanding the use of contracted forces, again conveniently giving all of these lucrative contracts to well-connected insiders. Then when the country is in shambles all of the "rebuilding" efforts are undertaken by, you guessed it, firms with government connections. Oh, and whatever resources the state had previously owned are auctioned off for a fraction of what they're worth and bought by, I wonder who? Government insiders. What modern corporatists are doing today is equivalent to Columbus going into the new world and slaughtering natives in order to extract their gold.

In the end, the illuminati world order is pulling the strings i guess of secret organizations. The best way would be to expose it in some way i think

This just comes off as whataboutism. The topic is about America, not about Russia, China, North Korea, religion, etc. These are different unrelated topics. No one is saying other countries are perfect. In fact, that's the opposite of what I was saying earlier:

Because these third-world countries have flawed socio-politico-economic systems, that is exactly what allows America (or another superpower like China, Russia, or the EU) to exploit these countries. If these countries were more industrialised and had robust socio-politico-economic systems in place, with checks and balances, then it would be a lot harder for big superpowers like America to exploit them.

@cashewnuttel asks:

Why do so many people complain about America but no one wants to do anything about it?

Answer: Because they cant

Why?

you try taking on this: