Why is it that 90% of WW2 movies are in some way about the Holocaust?

Just about every movie makes it out to be as thought WW2 was about the holocaust. Why is that?

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification, with the holocaust serving as the perfect means of creating the classic battle between 'good' and 'evil' that is so popular in the 'christian' world.

Could be because it was a big part of it? Not something that can be easily over looked

Also, a lot of the people in the movie business are jewish, so it's obviously an issue for them.

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

DraugenCP

I know, right?

Why don't we ever make any movies about the genocide the jews brought apon other groups of people. Story seems kind of one sided majority of the time.

EMOEVOLUTION

Could be because it was a big part of it? Not something that can be easily over looked

carlandcarl

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

DraugenCP

I'm pretty sure USA entered the war because they got attacked by Japan, not to help the jews or anything. The war was going on for several years before US attacked, the Holocaust even more (well, not at the same level as it was towards the end of the war, but still).

not sure if seriousSquatsAreAwesom

Why not? Never heard of the phrase 'history is written by the victors'?

Also, a lot of the people in the movie business are jewish, so it's obviously an issue for them.

DraugenCP

Correct answer, obviously.

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

XanderKage

I'm pretty sure USA entered the war because they got attacked by Japan, not to help the jews or anything. The war was going on for several years before US attacked, the Holocaust even more (well, not at the same level as it was towards the end of the war, but still).

The reason the USA enters any war is to secure its own position as a world power. I just said that they can use the holocaust to justify their own part in the war to the rest of the world.

Because, like many other events that happened during World War II, the Holocaust was an exceptionally important one?

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

XanderKage

I'm pretty sure USA entered the war because they got attacked by Japan, not to help the jews or anything. The war was going on for several years before US attacked, the Holocaust even more (well, not at the same level as it was towards the end of the war, but still).

In and by itself, there are hundreds and thousands of world war stories. None of which were directly related to the holocaust. Yet somehow the holocaust gets tied into it randomly, as if to rewrite history.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

KcurtorMas

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

Because, like many other events that happened during World War II, the Holocaust was an exceptionally important event?

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

DraugenCP

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

Exactly why your post didn't make sense. US didn't enter the war because of the Holocaust, and their glory had nothing to do with saving the jews or anything. So the emphasis on the Holocaust in WW2 movies has nothing to do with self-glorification.

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"][QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"] This couldnt be more incorrect. The US got into WWII because of the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor. They had no clue of the extermination camps until they pushed way into German territory. Self glorification? Youre kidding yourself.XanderKage

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

Exactly why your post didn't make sense. US didn't enter the war because of the Holocaust, and their glory had nothing to do with saving the jews or anything. So the emphasis on the Holocaust in WW2 movies has nothing to do with self-glorification.

Again, rif.org. I'll explain it one more time.

No, Americans did not enter the war out of humanitarian reasons. Certainly not because of the holocaust.

HOWEVER, and I stress this word, PRESENT-DAY movies treating WW2 are usually made in Hollywood. Hollywood movies work by a certain formula, one that includes such elements as heroism battling against the absolute evil, an idea stemming from christian doctrine that does particularly well in theaters for a reason. In such movies, which are made from an American perspective, the American soldiers will usually be portrayed as the heroes (this is different in some Vietnam-films, but I can't think of a WW2 movie that doesn't do this), so, naturally, there will need to be a certain purpose to the fact that they fight the enemy. There must be a justification for why they do what they do, and why they are hero. This is why the holocaust is often involved in such movies, as the holocaust is THE argument against the German side of the war. Just ask people, what's wrong about national socialism, and in 99% of the answers the holocacust will be mentioned. So showing representations of the holocaust will make the audience feel contempt for the oppontents, and they will identify with the people that fight them, i.e. the heroes, i.e. the Americans. It has everything to do with self-glorification, or at least with the will to create the personification of 'good'. Try creating the contrast good-evil in a WW2 setting without resorting to genocide as an argument, and you have a much harder task.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"] This couldnt be more incorrect. The US got into WWII because of the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor. They had no clue of the extermination camps until they pushed way into German territory. Self glorification? Youre kidding yourself.KcurtorMas

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

I was refering to WW2 movies which portray the war in retrospect.

DraugenCP, you have absolutely no manners what so ever.SquatsAreAwesom

You asked for an answer and I gave you one. If it's not the one you'd have desired, I'm sorry, but I can't change that.

[QUOTE="XanderKage"]

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

DraugenCP

I'm pretty sure USA entered the war because they got attacked by Japan, not to help the jews or anything. The war was going on for several years before US attacked, the Holocaust even more (well, not at the same level as it was towards the end of the war, but still).

The reason the USA enters any war is to secure its own position as a world power. I just said that they can use the holocaust to justify their own part in the war to the rest of the world.

thats funny because I have never heard an American, in historical documents or present day, take credit for liberating the Jews.

get over yourself, hippy. WWII was likely the last "good" war, and the good guys won.

Justification? Damn right the holocaust justifies everything we and our allies have done; if you cant go to war to prevent the extinction of the European Jew, what can you go to war for?

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]DraugenCP, you have absolutely no manners what so ever.DraugenCP

You asked for an answer and I gave you one. If it's not the one you'd have desired, I'm sorry, but I can't change that.

thats funny because I have never heard an American, in historical documents or present day, take credit for liberating the Jews.

get over yourself, hippy. WWII was likely the last "good" war, and the good guys won.

Justification? Damn right the holocaust justifies everything we and our allies have done; if you cant go to war to prevent the extinction of the European Jew, what can you go to war for?

mrbojangles25

Because you didn't go to war to prevent the extinction of the European jews. Nearly all allied nations, including the USA, sent Jewish refugees back to Germany right before the war, while they obviously knew what was happening there. Nations never go to war out of idealistic reasons, but to secure their own position.

And hippie? Haha, I've never been called that before. I guess I can add that term to my little list of words I've been called by clowns who were desperate to put some kind of label on me, in lack of better arguments.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Because, like many other events that happened during World War II, the Holocaust was an exceptionally important event?

GazaAli

I take it you know nothing of the holocaust, it can be the only reason you would ask that :|

In my perspective the holocaust has been made apart of American culture through media, despite the fact that we never inherited that trait. It is actually quite pathetic when you consider how most us Americans seems to get our education from it.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Also, a lot of the people in the movie business are jewish, so it's obviously an issue for them.

lm2f

This is the correct answer. Also

What the hell is that link about? stormfront.org? are you kidding?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

thats funny because I have never heard an American, in historical documents or present day, take credit for liberating the Jews.

get over yourself, hippy. WWII was likely the last "good" war, and the good guys won.

Justification? Damn right the holocaust justifies everything we and our allies have done; if you cant go to war to prevent the extinction of the European Jew, what can you go to war for?

DraugenCP

Because you didn't go to war to prevent the extinction of the European jews. Nearly all allied nations, including the USA, sent Jewish refugees back to Germany right before the war, while they obviously knew what was happening there. Nations never go to war out of idealistic reasons, but to secure their own position.

And hippie? Haha, I've never been called that before. I guess I can add that term to my little list of words I've been called by clowns who were desperate to put some kind of label on me, in lack of better arguments.

I know we did not go to war with the intention of liberating the Jews because we had no idea at the time.

But to accuse the US (and the US alone, mind you) of taking credit and liberating the Jews solely to come off as the good guys and to take world power is ludicrous. Better argument? At leastI have one.

And you make it sound like going to war for practical reasons is a bad thing. Why would any nation risk the lives of its own people over ideals? If youre going to risk something, there must be a reward. There is no shame in that, its simply human nature and the way its been for thousands of years. I dont like it any more than you do, but that is how it is.

ALso, did you ever consider that the Jew immigrating to the US were turned away because they lacked the proper papers/funds? People love to demonize actions, but the simple fact is that the US was essentially an isolationist country up until WWII, and immigration standards were extremely strict. Did the US turn the Jews away because we did not like them, or wanted them to suffer in Europe? No, of course not; we turned them away due to immigration rules.

And yea, I called you a hippie; a mindless anti-American that spits out the first thing that makes sense to them is a hippie, just like a nationalist is a mindless pro-American that does the same. Hippies do not think things through, and you clearly have not thought your argument out.

Btw, why is it always referred to as "the" holocaust? As if there's only been one!

Btw, why is it always referred to as "the" holocaust? As if there's only been one!

Scarebaby

Btw, why is it always referred to as "the" holocaust? As if there's only been one!

Scarebaby

Maybe your referring to mass genocide? I was under the impression there was only one holocaust.

Btw, why is it always referred to as "the" holocaust? As if there's only been one!

Scarebaby

Because it's not lower-cased. It's The Holocaust, which is the formal name we've given to this particular holocaust.

[QUOTE="lm2f"]

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Also, a lot of the people in the movie business are jewish, so it's obviously an issue for them.

joesh89

This is the correct answer. Also

What the hell is that link about? stormfront.org? are you kidding?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Because, like many other events that happened during World War II, the Holocaust was an exceptionally important event?

joesh89

I take it you know nothing of the holocaust, it can be the only reason you would ask that :|

[QUOTE="joesh89"]

[QUOTE="lm2f"]

This is the correct answer. Also

lm2f

What the hell is that link about? stormfront.org? are you kidding?

And do you?

[QUOTE="Scarebaby"]

Btw, why is it always referred to as "the" holocaust? As if there's only been one!

chessmaster1989

Because it's not lower-cased. It's The Holocaust, which is the formal name we've given to this particular holocaust.

It's not upper cased where I come from, so pffft on you.

[QUOTE="XanderKage"]

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

And you fail at reading. I was refering to why American movies emphasize the holocaust, not why American soldiers entered the war.

DraugenCP

Exactly why your post didn't make sense. US didn't enter the war because of the Holocaust, and their glory had nothing to do with saving the jews or anything. So the emphasis on the Holocaust in WW2 movies has nothing to do with self-glorification.

Again, rif.org. I'll explain it one more time.

No, Americans did not enter the war out of humanitarian reasons. Certainly not because of the holocaust.

HOWEVER, and I stress this word, PRESENT-DAY movies treating WW2 are usually made in Hollywood. Hollywood movies work by a certain formula, one that includes such elements as heroism battling against the absolute evil, an idea stemming from christian doctrine that does particularly well in theaters for a reason. In such movies, which are made from an American perspective, the American soldiers will usually be portrayed as the heroes (this is different in some Vietnam-films, but I can't think of a WW2 movie that doesn't do this), so, naturally, there will need to be a certain purpose to the fact that they fight the enemy. There must be a justification for why they do what they do, and why they are hero. This is why the holocaust is often involved in such movies, as the holocaust is THE argument against the German side of the war. Just ask people, what's wrong about national socialism, and in 99% of the answers the holocacust will be mentioned. So showing representations of the holocaust will make the audience feel contempt for the oppontents, and they will identify with the people that fight them, i.e. the heroes, i.e. the Americans. It has everything to do with self-glorification, or at least with the will to create the personification of 'good'. Try creating the contrast good-evil in a WW2 setting without resorting to genocide as an argument, and you have a much harder task.

I can only think of 2 movies that involve the holucaust. All the others never really mentioned it.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]not sure if seriousDraugenCP

Why not? Never heard of the phrase 'history is written by the victors'?

I can only think of 2 movies that involve the holucaust. All the others never really mentioned it.

Morphic

WWII movies in the last 2 years. Valkyrie was the only one in which there wasn't a large plot element dealing with the holocaust. This does not include the list of movies like, The Reader, which are about the WWII period, as opposed to the war.

2008 United States The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas Mark Herman The Holocaust witnessed through the eyes of two eight year old boys. The first, Bruno, son of a Nazi officer and commandant of a death camp. The second, Shmuel, a Jewish boy who is interned there. A truly remarkable story of a forbidden friendship and its devastating consequences

2008 United States Defiance Edward Zwick Bielski partisans

2008 United States Valkyrie Bryan Singer The July 20 Plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler during World War II

2009 United States Inglourious Basterds Quentin Tarantino A group of Jewish-American soldiers sign up for a mission to kill a particular group of Nazis

That isn't true. There are many movies about specific battles with no mention of the holocaust. An all encompassing movie, however, has to address it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Because nearly all WW2 movies are made from an American perspective, and for Americans, the holocaust is the #1 justification of their part in the role.

So it's basically self-glorification.

XanderKage

I'm pretty sure USA entered the war because they got attacked by Japan, not to help the jews or anything. The war was going on for several years before US attacked, the Holocaust even more (well, not at the same level as it was towards the end of the war, but still).

why exactly?GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]why exactly?foxhound_fox

And yet that gets much more attention than the some 20 plus million Russians killed in camps. Like it or not, there is a disproportionate Hollywood focus on the Jewish Holocaust.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]why exactly?foxhound_fox

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