Why is it the more advancements humans make, the "stupider" we get?

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#1 guitarshr3dd3r
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Well I was thinking, back in the 1800's, heck, even way earlier, man had such a complex way of speaking and etiquette, shakespeare type of stuff, but as humans progressed, it seems they kept losing more and more of that type of intelligence (I am speaking as a whole) And another point, back then women were very conservative (clothing-wise), what is it that made conservative women nowadays uncommon? Now I'm not saying I'm not one of the unintellectual people, and not literarly but I'm no where near the intelligence of those of back in the day (I'm sorry idk how to word it, I'm not actually calling anyone stupid) but yea, your thoughts/opinions are welcome!

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#2 TheZ3nMan
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In a hundred years they'll be saying the same thing. "LOL? That's so fancy!"* *Translated from future-speak.
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#3 BiancaDK
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I believe the working/middle class of any time prior to the 19th century disagrees with you. :P
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#4 Snakewiseman
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calculators I mean people dont even need to know basic math really

Also people get alot lazier I remember the episode of futurama where bender wants a beer and a robot arm comes out and starts pouring beer on his shoulder and he has to move his mouth under the beer flow after saying "what is this the stone age" LOL

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#5 guitarshr3dd3r
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calculators I mean people dont even need to know basic math really

Also people get alot lazier I remember the episode of futurama where bender wants a beer and a robot arm comes out and starts pouring beer on his shoulder and he has to move his mouth under the beer flow after saying "what is this the stone age" LOL

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LOL hahaha but yea, I guess technology is the best/worst thing for mankind in a way haha
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#6 cd_rom
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I don't think articulation is a sign of intellect. Humans are not any less intelligent then we were a thousand years ago. Our intelligence has shifted. "Speaking and etiquette" intelligence has been replaced by a massive amount of knowledge and facts.
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Well I was thinking, back in the 1800's, heck, even way earlier, man had such a complex way of speaking and etiquette, shakespeare type of stuff, but as humans progressed, it seems they kept losing more and more of that type of intelligence (I am speaking as a whole) And another point, back then women were very conservative (clothing-wise), what is it that made conservative women nowadays uncommon? Now I'm not saying I'm not one of the unintellectual people, and not literarly but I'm no where near the intelligence of those of back in the day (I'm sorry idk how to word it, I'm not actually calling anyone stupid) but yea, your thoughts/opinions are welcome!

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:lol: Commoners did not speak in iambic pentameter when Shakespeare was around.

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I believe the working/middle class of any time prior to the 19th century disagrees with you. :PBiancaDK
Ya dis. The well off people back in the day might have had more complex speech (which isn't really an indication of intelligence...), but I'm pretty sure the average person back then wasn't using all that etiquette you read in Shakespeare. :P
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#9 one_plum
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Don't know, perhaps maybe because

Too busy working compared to the pre-industrial era (thus not much freedom to explore what's outside)

Materialism is the zeitgeist, not philosophical thinking.

Technology makes us dependent

Prosperity and luxury make us spoiled

TV and movies make us learn new things, but not as much as actually going outside and witness things

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I believe the working/middle class of any time prior to the 19th century disagrees with you. :PBiancaDK
This.
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#11 Rheiken
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Sadly, it's the evolution of the language. Already terms and phrases from the internet are being added to Webster. Then again, who knows? I'm sure a person from the times of Shakespeare probably would have thought that someone from 1776 could have sounded awkward.
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#12 comp_atkins
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asimo would like to disagree with you.

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#13 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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The royals and rich of past centuries may have talked with great etiquette and manners, but look at the peons and working class of those centuries, "Is got a right fancy flyin machin' he does!"
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#14 Theokhoth
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With advancement comes convenience. With convenience comes complacency.
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#15 Diablo112688
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People have always been stupid. That is why they are so easily controlled... there are only a select few that truly shine...
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#16 Lonelynight
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I didn't know that Shakespeare was a representation of the common people of the 1800s.
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#17 Ace_WondersX
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Humans haven't gotten dumber, everything points to us being smarter than ever before. The world literacy rates are higher than they were years ago, more people are attending college than ever before. People just say these things without any real backing. Back in Shakespearian times most people were illiterate.

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#18 Matthew_Kaeser
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It is all about the communication age and how it has connected the world and transformed us through radio, television, Internet, etc...

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#19 Nifty_Shark
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I'm not sure I'd want to hang out with the commoners back then.
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#20 hyrueprince11
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probably because we have discovered speaking in a complex way and etiquette are pretty stupid, especially ettiquette

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#21 guitarshr3dd3r
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I didn't know that Shakespeare was a representation of the common people of the 1800s.Lonelynight
lol sorry I worded it wrong, I was just using him as an example, like the way he wrote "thou thy blah blah you get the idea" I mean like think of it like this, the way the constitution or declaration of independence was written, that type of writing would be rare to see nowadays
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]I didn't know that Shakespeare was a representation of the common people of the 1800s.guitarshr3dd3r
lol sorry I worded it wrong, I was just using him as an example, like the way he wrote "thou thy blah blah you get the idea" I mean like think of it like this, the way the constitution or declaration of independence was written, that type of writing would be rare to see nowadays

That kind of writing would be rare to see back then...

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#23 PeculatorX
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Not much has changed, we have been able to see how all classes work in global scale now because of such advancements.
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#25 Kenny789
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We just get lazier with every step forward in technological advancement but more stupid? I don't think so.
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#26 Atheists_Pwn
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eh, back then only some people were "complex" or whatever. in the 1800s a lot of people were just uneducated farmers or just uneducated wage slaves
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#27 klusps
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I'm pretty sure many commoners or peasants in the past weren't that intellectual compare to us, mainly because of the lack of education to read, racial supremacy, etc. People like Shakepere only represented a small fraction of the whole human population.

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#28 Fizzman
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What does dressing differently or speaking differently have to do with intelligence?

Also id bet that a ten year old today would me much smarter then an adult would be in the 1800s/early 1900's.

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In the 1800's people thought it was ok to enslave other people and treat them as property because they had dark skin. More intelligent?
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#30 Atheists_Pwn
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In the 1800's people thought it was ok to enslave other people and treat them as property because they had dark skin. More intelligent?SteveTabernacle
but they dressed nicer, and spoke with verbosity!! respect it.
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#31 GabuEx
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Shakespeare was an incredibly talented wordsmith; it's not as though everybody in his day went around talking like they did in his plays.

Furthermore, "thee" and "thou" and so forth only sounds refined and distinguished now because we romanticize the past like crazy. That was just the way people talked.

And even furthermore, if you want to apply contemporary standards in one's evaluation of people hundreds of years ago, they were terrible spellers. :P

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[QUOTE="guitarshr3dd3r"]

Well I was thinking, back in the 1800's, heck, even way earlier, man had such a complex way of speaking and etiquette, shakespeare type of stuff, but as humans progressed, it seems they kept losing more and more of that type of intelligence (I am speaking as a whole) And another point, back then women were very conservative (clothing-wise), what is it that made conservative women nowadays uncommon? Now I'm not saying I'm not one of the unintellectual people, and not literarly but I'm no where near the intelligence of those of back in the day (I'm sorry idk how to word it, I'm not actually calling anyone stupid) but yea, your thoughts/opinions are welcome!

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:lol: Commoners did not speak in iambic pentameter when Shakespeare was around.

This. Common people didn't speak like you are describing. They had they're own slang back then too.
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#33 Mr_Leonis
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Hmm, easier life so we don't have to go through the harshness of past life styles....hmm.
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#34 weezyfb
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umm no we are more intellectual now more than ever
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Because it takes longer for us to realize and see it.

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#37 TyrantDragon55
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Complex speech or whatever you want to call it is not a sign of intelligence, the English language is filled with completely unnecessary words that seemingly exist for no other reason then to make people feel like they are somehow superior to others. I also find that the less complex words often carry much more emotional impact than more "eloquent" ones, which just sound far too sanitized and dishonest for my liking.

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#38 dercoo
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What we use our intelligence for is just changing.

Like in Calculus how everything (almost) is taught on a graping calculator.

Current students struggle at non-calculator old school lessons, but can even surpass the teacher in calculator know how and easeof use.

Though I can tell you for a fact average intelligence has increased astronomically sine Renaissance time (and your Shakespeareans)

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#39 Coka_Cola241
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Very few people talked "douche speak" back then. Shakespeare was an exception of many stupid people, same goes with Da Vinci.
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Technically most people back in the days did not speak like Shakespeare. It was the rare few 'intellectuals'/aristocracy/etc that did. The rest of society did not have what you would call 'civil'/'sophisticated' speech.
As for conservative women; it was a trend back then. The non-conservative woman is a trend today.
Back then they considered indigenous peoples savages. Englishmen were considered barbarians by Roman standards. Slaves were seen as half-human or not even that. Clearly under current ideologies that would be considered stupid and non-sensical.

Back then they believed in supernatural beings, with Gods, Titans/etc creating earthquakes, floods/etc. Clearly by today's standards that is considered stupid.

Have we become more stupid than in the past? Clearly not. What you are concentrating on are the smart people of the past; of which there were few. You cannot compare Shakespeare to your average country bumpkin. Nor can you compare a serf in the past to Einstein, or to Stephen Hawking.
Today we have tea-baggers. In the past we had angry mobs with pitchforks.
Today we have the internet, we have books and other sources of information and learning material. In the past, only priests/monks and certain people in aristocracy knew how to read.

On a social level we are much smarter than what society was in the past due to greater access to education, to literature and the like. People simply believe we have become 'stupider' because they concentrate on the smart people of the past, and compare them to the 'dumb' people of the present.

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#41 Jazz_Fan
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I think basic knowledge and education is far more spread in this day and age, back then in the Renaissance a lot of people found those theories absurd and the church accused them of Heresy. But now I think we have come more open to new ideas, though our capacity of knowledge I do not believe has changed...
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#42 Ghost_702
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I think that it's still similar in some respects. Back in the time period you're referring to, people talked like they were very sophisticated, using big words and such. People still do all the time, it's just that the majority don't. I'm sure a good majority didn't back then either. We talk differently now, but not in a more unintelligent sense. Also, just because a person talks like they are intelligent doesn't mean they actually are. Don't feel like an idiot just because you don't use large words most people don't know the definition of in all of your sentences.
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I don't think it's true that we're thicker; our thinking's allowed to be more lax in some areas because: a) the division of labour's more complex than it was in the past, so we're cultivated for more specialised roles and b) we appoint guardians to do a lot of our thinking and deciding for us so that we don't have to understand everything that affects us.
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#44 Rhazakna
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People only seem dumber because of the mass amounts of information we have access to these days. People's every thought and opinion is just a click away, and with more exposure to the inner workings of people's minds, the more we all get exposed to their stupidity. It's like how crime has been on an overall decline, but people think it's worse than ever because of cable news and **** like that. When every horrible crime story is just a button press away, it's hard to think the world is a safer place than it used to be (at least in some ways).
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#45 leviathan91
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As several other posters have already said, the world is getting smarter. More people are able to read, write, attend school, and hold important jobs. Speech is different but I don't think it represents intelligence. I know a lot of people who speak "gangsta" yet are quite intelligent.

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#46 Mochyc
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The commoner of the 1800s did not have a complex way of speaking or etiquette. You do know the commoner was extremely poor and didn't have much of an education, right?
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#47 Bourbons3
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There's always going to be a high proportion of stupid:smart. As the population goes up, it becomes more noticeable. We're smarter than we used to be, but because there are a lot of people who are extremely smart, its easer to see people as stupid, when they're actually a lot smarter than they would have been 50-100 years ago. Its all relative.
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#48 woonsa
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calculators I mean people dont even need to know basic math really

Also people get alot lazier I remember the episode of futurama where bender wants a beer and a robot arm comes out and starts pouring beer on his shoulder and he has to move his mouth under the beer flow after saying "what is this the stone age" LOL

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Exactly. People should use technology responsibly really.