Why is popular music always seen as garbage?

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#1 krunkmastax
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I hear people all the time saying how "underground" music is better simply because not many have heard of it. Just because something is popular doesnt make it atrocious. Music can be bad (and is) whether mainstream or underground. It all depends on taste. Im just wondering why any music mainstream is always ragged on simply because its just that....in the public eye.

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#2 Assassin1349
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Because it sucks.

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99% of music is the same 4 chords. It's simply insane when you start to see it. Same chords, different keys. All in all, same music.
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#4 spazzx625
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Popular music is meant (almost by definition) to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
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cuz dumb people like it and people that arent dumb are scared of being grouped with those people
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#6 HydraRizlim
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Everybody has his/her own taste.

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It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."
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#8 KittenNipples
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Because its "cool" to hate the mainstream and not be like everyone else. Personally I like allot of mainstream music, theirs actually some really good stuff out now.
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#9 Assassin1349
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It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."t3hrubikscube
It was created to appeal to everyone but me it seems. I get annoyed quickly by almost everything I hear on the radio.
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#10 krunkmastax
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Because it sucks.

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Nice rebuttal there.
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It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."t3hrubikscube
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?
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#12 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

Because it sucks.

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Nice rebuttal there.

Thanks, it's pretty much true. There's only a few mainstream acts that I could see as being good.
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cuz dumb people like it and people that arent dumb are scared of being grouped with those peopleMTVjams
Led Zeppelin is popular and mainstream, you calling me dumb for liking them?
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You have the cause and effect backwards. Music that is popular tends to be simple and formulaic because it is simple and formulaic. Just like any other mainstream media, whether it is movies, books, video games, etc., the masses will like the glossy, predictable choice over the choice that is harder to get into and appreciate (regardless of the actual artistic merit contained therein).
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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."KrunkMastaX
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

"good" music is entirely subjective. Having a debate on it is useless.
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99% of music is the same 4 chords. It's simply insane when you start to see it. Same chords, different keys. All in all, same music.MetallicaKings
Popular music is meant (almost by definition) to appeal to the lowest common denominator.spazzx625
cuz dumb people like it and people that arent dumb are scared of being grouped with those peopleMTVjams
Just because its popular does not mean it took/takes no talent to make it. Maybe its popular because its actually good? Not applying this to all mainstream music by the way.
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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."Assassin1349
It was created to appeal to everyone but me it seems. I get annoyed quickly by almost everything I hear on the radio.

I often don't like what I hear on the radio either. The only radio stations I listen to are oldies/classic rock stations, jazz stations, and classical stations. I don't like modern pop music either.
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#18 krunkmastax
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

Because it sucks.

Nice rebuttal there.

Thanks, it's pretty much true. There's only a few mainstream acts that I could see as being good.

So by default all underground music is good then?
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."MetallicaKings
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

"good" music is entirely subjective. Having a debate on it is useless.

I beg to differ.
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#20 Engrish_Major
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So by default all underground music is good then?KrunkMastaX
No, that is not the default conclusion to that argument. Just because A is not B does not mean that all B is not A.
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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."KrunkMastaX
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

I don't think that it's anything special. It's catchy and good to dance to (I don't like to dance, however). I don't understand why people say that he "changed music." He just created more pop hits. I like some of his songs, but I don't think that his music was groundbreaking. He had some talent and was a good dancer, but that's about it.
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"] Nice rebuttal there.KrunkMastaX
Thanks, it's pretty much true. There's only a few mainstream acts that I could see as being good.

So by default all underground music is good then?

No. Do you like putting words into other peoples mouths? Most of the bands I listen to I wouldn't even consider "underground".
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I think that mainstream music is frowned upon because of many reasons. First, it has a negative image for many people. The word "Mainstream" is often associated with Disney, boy bands, and lip-synching. Some people also think that simple music = bad, which is far from the truth. I, myself, don't care about any media labels. If I like how it sounds then I listen to it. It's as simple as that, but some people even abandon their favorite bands if they are exposed to the mainstream audience. To each their own, I guess.

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[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."KrunkMastaX
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

He was flashy and above average but not one of the all time great musicians by any stretch of the imagination.
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In my experience: The majority of society is overwhelmingly dim. Therefore, music that captures the hearts and feeble minds of the majority of society must be questioned on its merits as good music. On the other hand, what is the point in not conforming to popular music, if the act of not conforming changes what you would've done naturally?
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I think that mainstream music is frowned upon because of many reasons. First, it has a negative image for many people. The word "Mainstream" is often associated with Disney, boy bands, and lip-synching. Some people also think that simple music = bad, which is far from the truth. I, myself, don't care about any media labels. If I like how it sounds then I listen to it. It's as simple as that, but some people even abandon their favorite bands if they are exposed to the mainstream audience. To each their own, I guess.

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That last part. Yeah I hate it when people start talking **** about a band after they become popular. But then again some bands change their sound to get popular too, like In Flames and Metallica for example.
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[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"] [QUOTE="spazzx625"]Popular music is meant (almost by definition) to appeal to the lowest common denominator.KrunkMastaX
cuz dumb people like it and people that arent dumb are scared of being grouped with those peopleMTVjams
Just because its popular does not mean it took/takes no talent to make it. Maybe its popular because its actually good? Not applying this to all mainstream music by the way.

sure, this could definitely be true. Just music as a whole has become incredibly simple and redundant the past 50 years. Before that, it was classical music, jazz, etc. Things that take years upon years to master. And doing so, your music palette is expanded and you are able to write great, emotional music. Now a days, after blues came, and the beatles, this repeating of basic chords I-V-IV took to mainstream music. Every pop band and rock band use this, which is still ok. Hell, pretty much the foundation of classical music is this. But....they arent really doing anything with it, other then just strumming some chords. Maybe through in a diatonic cliche melody, but still, it all gets very old, very very fast.

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#28 krunkmastax
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No. Do you like putting words into other peoples mouths? Most of the bands I listen to I wouldn't even consider "underground". Assassin1349

So these bands you listen to. Are they mainstream or not?

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He was flashy and above average but not one of the all time great musicians by any stretch of the imagination.iowastate
This is accurate. He was an incredible entertainer. However, in pushing the boundaries musically and artistically, he didn't bring that much new to the table. His music was fun, but not very complex.
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."t3hrubikscube
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

I don't think that it's anything special. It's catchy and good to dance to (I don't like to dance, however). I don't understand why people say that he "changed music." He just created more pop hits. I like some of his songs, but I don't think that his music was groundbreaking. He had some talent and was a good dancer, but that's about it.

He became a legend for a reason. To each their own I guess.
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's cool to hate mainstream stuff....and popular music is popular because it was created to try to appeal to everyone. It's often simplistic and it's often merely "catchy."iowastate
So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?

He was flashy and above average but not one of the all time great musicians by any stretch of the imagination.

To become an "all time great musician" one has to become "popular" and sell a hell of alot dont you think?
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]No. Do you like putting words into other peoples mouths? Most of the bands I listen to I wouldn't even consider "underground". KrunkMastaX

So these bands you listen to. Are they mainstream or not?

What's your definition of mainstream? Well known?
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Because usually for something to be popular it has to be simple or catchy to the point where many people can enjoy it. If its too original or unique, then only a certain group will like it. Many people on GS at least like originality and complexity. Not songs like Party in the USA or Single Ladies

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Because it usually isn't very good...

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He became a legend for a reason. To each their own I guess.KrunkMastaX
I think he had talent, especially as a kid/young man. He had a good voice and was a good dancer. I just think that he mostly hit the world at the right time and became popular because he was very flashy and sang exciting, catchy songs. I just don't see what's so legendary about that... I suppose that's why I don't understand the appeal of current acts like Lady Gaga.
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[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"] So Michael Jackson's music isnt good you mean?KrunkMastaX
He was flashy and above average but not one of the all time great musicians by any stretch of the imagination.

To become an "all time great musician" one has to become "popular" and sell a hell of alot dont you think?

of course not. any jazz or classical guitarist could destroy any metal lead guitarist. Same goes with drums and bass. Just since its not mainstream, people have absolutely no idea. They are stuck in a bubble.
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sure, this could definitely be true. Just music as a whole has become incredibly simple and redundant the past 50 years. Before that, it was classical music, jazz, etc. Things that take years upon years to master. And doing so, your music palette is expanded and you are able to write great, emotional music. Now a days, after blues came, and the beatles, this repeating of basic chords I-V-IV took to mainstream music. Every pop band and rock band use this, which is still ok. Hell, pretty much the foundation of classical music is this. But....they arent really doing anything with it, other then just strumming some chords. Maybe through in a diatonic cliche melody, but still, it all gets very old, very very fast.

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I can understand your point. You make a good one.

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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="MetallicaKings"]
Popular music is meant (almost by definition) to appeal to the lowest common denominator.spazzx625
cuz dumb people like it and people that arent dumb are scared of being grouped with those peopleMTVjams
Just because its popular does not mean it took/takes no talent to make it. Maybe its popular because its actually good? Not applying this to all mainstream music by the way.

Exactly Krunk! On another note it really irks me when people think popular music is crap and that THEY with no producing experience at all think they can do better. Allot of time and hard work goes into almost every song on the radio, how else do you think they got where they are.
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#39 krunkmastax
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"]

No. Do you like putting words into other peoples mouths? Most of the bands I listen to I wouldn't even consider "underground". Assassin1349

So these bands you listen to. Are they mainstream or not?

What's your definition of mainstream? Well known?

Yes...that would be it.
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"]He became a legend for a reason. To each their own I guess.t3hrubikscube
I think he had talent, especially as a kid/young man. He had a good voice and was a good dancer. I just think that he mostly hit the world at the right time and became popular because he was very flashy and sang exciting, catchy songs. I just don't see what's so legendary about that... I suppose that's why I don't understand the appeal of current acts like Lady Gaga.

In a time where everything has been seen and done no one really needs to revolutionize anything to become a legend. Just give people a good time. And Michael did that.
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of course not. any jazz or classical guitarist could destroy any metal lead guitarist. Same goes with drums and bass. Just since its not mainstream, people have absolutely no idea. They are stuck in a bubble. MetallicaKings

Touche. You win this round. :P

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First, once something becomes popular, about 12,000 songs that sound exactly like that song are released. That tends to make the radio sound rather bland/boring.

Second, 90% (or so) of the copycats aren't written by the artist, but by paid songwriters who do the same thing for a large number of bands on that label (or, at least, that used to be the case). This further produces a ridiculous amount of sameness over a period of time.

Next, you have "updated" remakes of popular music from 15-20 years previously. The only "update" seems to be to make the song sound exactly like the 12,000 other songs that you are currently being bored with on the radio.

Finally, the band is either a.) not a "band" but a bank of synthesizers somewhere in the studio, b.) the same session artists that can be heard on 11,990 of the songs you got bored with on the radio, or c.) rejects from one of the underground bands that everyone loves.

Did I leave anything out? ;)

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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"]

So these bands you listen to. Are they mainstream or not?

KrunkMastaX

What's your definition of mainstream? Well known?

Yes...that would be it.

Slayer, Stratovarius, Tool and Iron Maiden are well known, yet I think they are good bands.. So in conclusion not all popular musical acts are garbage, but majority are.

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In a time where everything has been seen and done no one really needs to revolutionize anything to become a legend. Just give people a good time. And Michael did that.KrunkMastaX
...which is why mainstream items are seen as 'garbage'. When you are not very educated in a particular genre or type of art, people don't need good, or complex, or especially artistic things to have a good time. Hence the popularity of Michael Jackson, Miller Lite, and Transformers films.
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Exactly Krunk! On another note it really irks me when people think popular music is crap and that THEY with no producing experience at all think they can do better. Allot of time and hard work goes into almost every song on the radio, how else do you think they got where they are.KittenNipples

Yeah I mean with so many on here bashing musical artists you'd think they were musicians themselves.

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#46 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"]

Yeah I mean with so many on here bashing musical artists you'd think they were musicians themselves.

There are many musicians here.
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#47 110million
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My problem is, I've seen some music video count downs on TV for like best or most popular songs from last year, there were some common factors, most were pop, none of them used real instruments, only computer generated sound, and I didn't really like any of them, I don't think popular music is bad, I just think whats considered popular these days is.
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#48 realistic44
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Yeah it seems popular music is considered trash but unpopular music is considered really good.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"]

Yeah I mean with so many on here bashing musical artists you'd think they were musicians themselves.

There are many musicians here.

yes, but not trained musicians. Most people here do not music theory. They pick up a guitar and learn some tabs, get a feel for it.
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#50 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="KrunkMastaX"][QUOTE="iowastate"] He was flashy and above average but not one of the all time great musicians by any stretch of the imagination.MetallicaKings
To become an "all time great musician" one has to become "popular" and sell a hell of alot dont you think?

of course not. any jazz or classical guitarist could destroy any metal lead guitarist. Same goes with drums and bass. Just since its not mainstream, people have absolutely no idea. They are stuck in a bubble.

Good luck to them destroying Jason Becker, Chris Impelliteri, Yngwie, Paul Gilbert, Shawn Lane, Petrucci, Rusty Cooley and Michael Angelo Batio..