Why is that if you...

murder a pregnant woman, you get charged with 2 counts of homocide? that stupid fetus isn't a human... yet. i don't get it and i think it's sort of unfair.

I think you're missing the point.

Are you kidding?

well then somebody please explain the point to me because I don't get it.

well then somebody please explain the point to me because I don't get it.

sbtim

well then somebody please explain the point to me because I don't get it.

sbtim

I think you're missing the point.

trust_nobody

It's a valid question.

but fetuses don't count as people when you abort them...

but fetuses don't count as people when you abort them...

sbtim

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

I think you're missing the point.

Oleg_Huzwog

It's a valid question.

no i don't plan on murdering anyone at the moment, I was just reading about the brooke phillips murder and how the guy was charged with 6 counts of murder because 2 of the women were pregnant.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

I think you're missing the point.

trust_nobody

It's a valid question.

please TC just stop

no i don't plan on murdering anyone at the moment, I was just reading about the brooke phillips murder and how the guy was charged with 6 counts of murder because 2 of the women were pregnant.

sbtim

It seems that we arrive at this: Abortions are not homocide, but killing an unborn fetus is homocide.unholymight

I think I'm asking a valid question. The law seems inconsistent here....

It seems that we arrive at this: Abortions are not homocide, but killing an unborn fetus is homocide.unholymight

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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

I think you're missing the point.

trust_nobody

It's a valid question.

He's questioning a blatant inconsistency in our legal system. Allowing a charge of double homicide means the law recognizes the fetus as a human. But if that woman were to go to an abortion clinic, the law suddenly says "nope, nevermind - the fetus is actually a part of the woman's body and not it's own self." If you were to murder a woman before she enters the clinic, you'll face a different set of charges than if you did as she was exiting.

That is an interesting question.. especially in places where abortion is legal.

im not really the murdering type, so no.......

so.. if you're wanted somehow makes that fetus a person? interesting...

so.. if you're wanted somehow makes that fetus a person? interesting...

sbtim

^^^that makes* god damn this lack of an edit button

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

It's a valid question.

Oleg_Huzwog

He's questioning a blatant inconsistency in our legal system. Allowing a charge of double homicide means the law recognizes the fetus as a human. But if that woman were to go to an abortion clinic, the law suddenly says "nope, nevermind - the fetus is actually a part of the woman's body and not it's own self." If you were to murder a woman before she enters the clinic, you'll face a different set of charges than if you did as she was exiting.

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

I think you're missing the point.

trust_nobody

because you are killing 2 people... the fetus in her stomach is also a personCyleM

Are you kidding?

Pirate700

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

sbtim

what in the hell does me liking south park have to do with this topic? im sorry if asking a legit question makes me a troll.

and look up "brooke phillips " or "laci peterson" if you want some examples.

I think murder, in and of itself, is pretty heinous. Does it really matter if you get charged with one or two counts of it, when the penalty is pretty severe?

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

sbtim

but fetuses don't count as people when you abort them...

sbtim

I think murder, in and of itself, is pretty heinous. Does it really matter if you get charged with one or two counts of it, when the penalty is pretty severe?

sonicare

it could be the difference between life in prison and the death sentence... so yea....

[QUOTE="sbtim"]

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

sonicare

So if you punch a pregnant women in the belly and cause her to lose the "fetus", you should not be charged with any crime? Because it's not really anything living?sonicare

If the act is done in a place where abortion is legal... you should be prosecuted for assault, nothing more.

[QUOTE="sbtim"]

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

sonicare

no, thats definitely a crime, but its not murder. you cant murder something thats not really a human being.....

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So if you punch a pregnant women in the belly and cause her to lose the "fetus", you should not be charged with any crime? Because it's not really anything living?Oleg_Huzwog

If the act is done in a place where abortion is legal... you should be prosecuted for assault, nothing more.

yea ^ this, since the only harm being done is to the woman's body.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So if you punch a pregnant women in the belly and cause her to lose the "fetus", you should not be charged with any crime? Because it's not really anything living?Oleg_Huzwog

If the act is done in a place where abortion is legal... you should be prosecuted for assault, nothing more.

Because it WILL be human. What if you killed a man trying to save a man's life?

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sbtim"]

but I don't get how it constitutes a second murder. killing a pregnant woman is the same as killing any other person, since the fetus is simply part of her body. it's like saying you killed her liver.

no, thats definitely a crime, but its not murder. you cant murder something thats not really a human being.....

He's trying to say

"Why is abortion not considered murder by the government, but killing thefetus by killing the pregnant women is?"

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]So if you punch a pregnant women in the belly and cause her to lose the "fetus", you should not be charged with any crime? Because it's not really anything living?sonicare

If the act is done in a place where abortion is legal... you should be prosecuted for assault, nothing more.

[QUOTE="sbtim"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] So if you punch a pregnant women in the belly and cause her to lose the "fetus", you should not be charged with any crime? Because it's not really anything living?sonicare

no, thats definitely a crime, but its not murder. you cant murder something thats not really a human being.....

Double standard.

But anyway, one, you take away the life of the woman and the potential life of another, in this case we'll say she didn't want her baby killed, so it's a double homicide.

Two, It's the mother's decision, and it isn't against the law, in some places. If abortion wasn't legal, I believe it's homicide.