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#1 FMAB_GTO
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Notice I am not offending any religion especially christianity , but I am a little confused actually.First I am a researcher and my last subject was religion, I already studied some religion and now im into catholics.

First we all know that people need a leader but yet this leader should chosen by the people,the pope is chosen by a group of religiouse men that lock themselves inside a house,ok I respect that is the religion's way of choosing but we all know the human heart isn't totally pure so do you think that maybe those men will be bribed (gr & sp) ?

Also isn't the FATHER is the GOD ,then ehy is there another father for us on earth?

ANd before this reasearch I had one about conspiracy theorists, and how the pope is connected and these stuff,I'm not a conspiracy mainiac but a question bout the pope really pissed me , which is why is he able to change whats in the bible and why does he take judgments as if he wants like being a GOD?(notice this information is non official and was posted by a mere user so correct me if I'm wrong)

And finally, would anything change if the pope was not here?

Again this a mere confusion and not an offence ,I know that religion is a very sensitive subject and people hate to talk about it, but if my confusion is gone ,its all thanks to the christians right ?:P

Sorry for the spelling :P.

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I think catholics believe that the pope's choice is influenced by god. The church is not a democracy so the pope is not elected by popular vote. But I am by no means a religous expert so I could be entirely misinformed.

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#3 MetallicaKings
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It's to be thought, that the purest of men are those in the room that vote (college of cardinals). Which, if I was christian, I would feel the same. To get to that level, you usually need to be granted a bishop, which is quite serious.
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#4 FMAB_GTO
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Hmmmm....so the one's that elect him are not just any men eh?Still there is no 100% pure priest anyway but makes sense.
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I think the Pope is supposed to have a special connection to God which is why he has so much power. The group that chooses the new Pope is supposed to have all of our best interests at heart so I think that is why they choose the Pope and why they don't just have a mass voting by Catholics instead. I don't really remember anymore, I used to be Catholic and had all the Sunday school classes but it has been a while

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The position of the Pope is something that existed in the Catholic faith for centuries. That doesn't mean all Christians look at him in the same light. Some denominations of Christianity opposed to Catholics actually say that the Pope is going to Hell too just because of their conflicts with Cathoilc beliefs.

If you look up the Wikipedia article on the Pope it may explain it in more detail why his position exists. Or, you can ask in OT where the vast majority of the people are Atheist and get the popcorn ready for the various responses they will give.

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It's all thanks to the Catholics, not all Christians. Ideally, it's probably how you put it, but there has been corruption in that organization. It's a simple fact.
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#8 FMAB_GTO
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I think the Pope is supposed to have a special connection to God which is why he has so much power. The group that chooses the new Pope is supposed to have all of our best interests at heart so I think that is why they choose the Pope and why they don't just have a mass voting by Catholics instead. I don't really remember anymore, I used to be Catholic and had all the Sunday school classes but it has been a while

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I think the Pope is supposed to have a special connection to God which is why he has so much power. The group that chooses the new Pope is supposed to have all of our best interests at heart so I think that is why they choose the Pope and why they don't just have a mass voting by Catholics instead. I don't really remember anymore, I used to be Catholic and had all the Sunday school classes but it has been a while

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Hmmmm.....ok I got it. Bwt you changed now?

The position of the Pope is something that existed in the Catholic faith for centuries. That doesn't mean all Christians look at him in the same light. Some denominations of Christianity opposed to Catholics actually say that the Pope is going to Hell too just because of their conflicts with Cathoilc beliefs.

If you look up the Wikipedia article on the Pope it may explain it in more detail why his position exists. Or, you can ask in OT where the vast majority of the people are Atheist and get the popcorn ready for the various responses they will give.

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I did check wikipedia and got variouse informations,they did say that not all christians agree with him.
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Well, he's not my father, that's for sure.

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Hmmmm.....ok I got it. Bwt you changed now?

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Yup I consider myself an atheist now but I still enjoy studying religion. I still go to church with my family from time to time, I believe that even if you don't agree with everything the church or a particular religion says, you can still benefit from some of the wisdom religious groups have to offer

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#11 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]

Hmmmm.....ok I got it. Bwt you changed now?

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Yup I consider myself an atheist now but I still enjoy studying religion. I still go to church with my family from time to time, I believe that even if you don't agree with everything the church or a particular religion says, you can still benefit from some of the wisdom religious groups have to offer

You're right, as for me Im in a place full of the religion of science,they agree with everything the atheists say about everything except the existance of GOD.
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I think that the Pope's position, according to Roman Catholics, is established by 1) the interpretation by them via the Bible that Jesus marks Peter as the foundation stone and "leader" of His ministry on Earth; and 2) due to that interpretation of legitimized authority, and through a conduit that they call an "unbroken line" from St. Peter as the first Pope to the current Benedict XVI, they believe the Papacy has through the will and word of Jesus carried with it His authority here on Earth. The history would seem to indicate that whatever you believe about St. Peter, that subsequent Church power located in Rome put forth this dogma in an effort to cement it's position as the centre of the Church, and it's Bishop as the Head of the Bishops. I think this position became contentious, but from the point of view of the Bishop of Rome even more important to his power, as the Pentarchy developed (the vast majority of which were eastern diocese) and political power moved in the Roman Empire from west to east.
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#13 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]I think that the Pope's position, according to Roman Catholics, is established by 1) the interpretation by them via the Bible that Jesus marks Peter as the foundation stone and "leader" of His ministry on Earth; and 2) due to that interpretation of legitimized authority, and through a conduit that they call an "unbroken line" from St. Peter as the first Pope to the current Benedict XVI, they believe the Papacy has through the will and word of Jesus carried with it His authority here on Earth. The history would seem to indicate that whatever you believe about St. Peter, that subsequent Church power located in Rome put forth this dogma in an effort to cement it's position as the centre of the Church, and it's Bishop as the Head of the Bishops. I think this position became contentious, but from the point of view of the Bishop of Rome even more important to his power, as the Pentarchy developed (the vast majority of which were eastern diocese) and political power moved in the Roman Empire from west to east.

Thanks that's informative,and the thing about peter is interesting.
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The head of the church is Jesus Christ, not the pope. By the church, I mean the group of all people worldwide who have repented from their sins and received Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

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Ok so lemme start by saying that the catholic religion is the single most evil and corrupt organization on earth. I know this because I went to catholic school and have had to deal with them all my life. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist or anything like that...just that the church is Satan spawn. So that being said in catholic tradition they believe that the pope is the direct defendant of the apostle Peter who Jesus named as his brother and successor. Therefore according to their crazy logic this makes the pope literally a decendant of god. And that when choosing the pope that it is not the cardinals who do so, but the holy spirit that drives their hand and merely points out the next in line. He is often referred to as "the mouth of god". They believe that every action made by the pope is directly influenced by god and furthermore anything he says while in the "Holy See", which is currently within the Vatican, is the literal "word of god" and therefore infallible. Hopefully this kind of answers your question and if you have any more id be more than happy to answer to the best of my knowledge. I like to think I kind of know my stuff when it comes to Catholics. Pretty much because I was forced to being the only anti-religious person at a school filled with bible thumpers and having to argue with priests/nuns, teachers, and students almost daily.
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Does Orthodox Christians have a pope?
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[QUOTE="DocDelicious"]Ok so lemme start by saying that the catholic religion is the single most evil and corrupt organization on earth. I know this because I went to catholic school and have had to deal with them all my life. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist or anything like that...just that the church is Satan spawn. So that being said in catholic tradition they believe that the pope is the direct defendant of the apostle Peter who Jesus named as his brother and successor. Therefore according to their crazy logic this makes the pope literally a decendant of god. And that when choosing the pope that it is not the cardinals who do so, but the holy spirit that drives their hand and merely points out the next in line. He is often referred to as "the mouth of god". They believe that every action made by the pope is directly influenced by god and furthermore anything he says while in the "Holy See", which is currently within the Vatican, is the literal "word of god" and therefore infallible. Hopefully this kind of answers your question and if you have any more id be more than happy to answer to the best of my knowledge. I like to think I kind of know my stuff when it comes to Catholics. Pretty much because I was forced to being the only anti-religious person at a school filled with bible thumpers and having to argue with priests/nuns, teachers, and students almost daily.

One thing I noticed about Christians is that they really have a problem in differentiating God from humans. I mean Jesus who is a human is supposed to be God on the human form or whatever. Then we have the pope which according to your post is a descendant of God. I don't know why they like to mix God with humans.
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[QUOTE="DocDelicious"]Ok so lemme start by saying that the catholic religion is the single most evil and corrupt organization on earth. I know this because I went to catholic school and have had to deal with them all my life. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist or anything like that...just that the church is Satan spawn. So that being said in catholic tradition they believe that the pope is the direct defendant of the apostle Peter who Jesus named as his brother and successor. Therefore according to their crazy logic this makes the pope literally a decendant of god. And that when choosing the pope that it is not the cardinals who do so, but the holy spirit that drives their hand and merely points out the next in line. He is often referred to as "the mouth of god". They believe that every action made by the pope is directly influenced by god and furthermore anything he says while in the "Holy See", which is currently within the Vatican, is the literal "word of god" and therefore infallible. Hopefully this kind of answers your question and if you have any more id be more than happy to answer to the best of my knowledge. I like to think I kind of know my stuff when it comes to Catholics. Pretty much because I was forced to being the only anti-religious person at a school filled with bible thumpers and having to argue with priests/nuns, teachers, and students almost daily.

Actually that is more than enough , sorry about your school life hehe. Then after all the words of the pope are the words of GOD , this is not what I expected. THANX :D
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I'm a christian, but not really catholic so I don't follow anything the pope says.

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Because without that connection you can then pretty much say that everything in the bible is written by man and therefore open to fallacy. According to them every single book in the bible was written by a human BUT under the direct influence of the Holy Spirit and therefore god. Making it infallible. Long story short they've had hundreds of years to figure out all the little loopholes and cover their asses so that nothing they do is wrong or can even be questioned for that matter. It's all very convoluted and very screwed up. Honestly nothing infuriates me more than the church or their denial of their very evil history. Aka: the wholesale slaughter of non-believers and destruction of anything that contradicts them. You have no idea how much farther along our understanding of the world/science would be if the church never existed. From Greco Roman times to the present the churches way has been paved with blood and fire.
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I'm sorry I follow God not man.

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What about the black pope in Solomons temple?!?!

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its because he has that special magical hat.

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What about the black pope in Solomons temple?!?!

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Wait whats that again ? I thought the temple is buried beneath Kubat Al Sakhra in jerusalem.
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Yea, you really trust uneducated, catholics from around the world to somehow pick a pope that will lead the church? Someone has to lead. That leader must be educated and ready for the job. With 1 billion catholics there would be no way for the people to elect him. Plus the pope has been elected by other bishops since 60 A.D. why change that now?
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Yea, you really trust uneducated, catholics from around the world to somehow pick a pope that will lead the church? Someone has to lead. That leader must be educated and ready for the job. With 1 billion catholics there would be no way for the people to elect him. Plus the pope has been elected by other bishops since 60 A.D. why change that now?ferrari2001
But what about this "descendant of God" thing?
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It has to do with control in the end.. There were three bastions of power historically.. The Nobles, Monarchy and the church.. The catholic church up until recently was a extremely powerful political force.
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It has to do with control in the end.. There were three bastions of power historically.. The Nobles, Monarchy and the church.. The catholic church up until recently was a extremely powerful political force.sSubZerOo
Reminds me of poor scientists who said the earth is round at that time hehe.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="DocDelicious"]Ok so lemme start by saying that the catholic religion is the single most evil and corrupt organization on earth. I know this because I went to catholic school and have had to deal with them all my life. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist or anything like that...just that the church is Satan spawn. So that being said in catholic tradition they believe that the pope is the direct defendant of the apostle Peter who Jesus named as his brother and successor. Therefore according to their crazy logic this makes the pope literally a decendant of god. And that when choosing the pope that it is not the cardinals who do so, but the holy spirit that drives their hand and merely points out the next in line. He is often referred to as "the mouth of god". They believe that every action made by the pope is directly influenced by god and furthermore anything he says while in the "Holy See", which is currently within the Vatican, is the literal "word of god" and therefore infallible. Hopefully this kind of answers your question and if you have any more id be more than happy to answer to the best of my knowledge. I like to think I kind of know my stuff when it comes to Catholics. Pretty much because I was forced to being the only anti-religious person at a school filled with bible thumpers and having to argue with priests/nuns, teachers, and students almost daily.

One thing I noticed about Christians is that they really have a problem in differentiating God from humans. I mean Jesus who is a human is supposed to be God on the human form or whatever. Then we have the pope which according to your post is a descendant of God. I don't know why they like to mix God with humans.

. I would take Doc's description with a grain of salt. Not everything the pope says is infallible nor do any Catholics actually believe that. We believe the Pope is somehow inspired by the Holy Spirit but only when speaking to the universal Church on topics of Faith and Morals (a regular bishop can claim the same thing). The pope cannot proclaim some science theory as fact. Also, Peter was not a descendant of God. Peter was a fisherman called to be an apostle. He eventually became the first pope of the Catholic Church. Each apostle became a Bishop. These bishops made new bishops who made new bishops etc. ect. Down the line. Many bishops can actually trace their lines down to a specific apostle. There have been very in depth records kept. The Pope is simply a man elected among the apostles to lead the Church. He is simply the first among equals.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="DocDelicious"]Ok so lemme start by saying that the catholic religion is the single most evil and corrupt organization on earth. I know this because I went to catholic school and have had to deal with them all my life. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist or anything like that...just that the church is Satan spawn. So that being said in catholic tradition they believe that the pope is the direct defendant of the apostle Peter who Jesus named as his brother and successor. Therefore according to their crazy logic this makes the pope literally a decendant of god. And that when choosing the pope that it is not the cardinals who do so, but the holy spirit that drives their hand and merely points out the next in line. He is often referred to as "the mouth of god". They believe that every action made by the pope is directly influenced by god and furthermore anything he says while in the "Holy See", which is currently within the Vatican, is the literal "word of god" and therefore infallible. Hopefully this kind of answers your question and if you have any more id be more than happy to answer to the best of my knowledge. I like to think I kind of know my stuff when it comes to Catholics. Pretty much because I was forced to being the only anti-religious person at a school filled with bible thumpers and having to argue with priests/nuns, teachers, and students almost daily.ferrari2001
One thing I noticed about Christians is that they really have a problem in differentiating God from humans. I mean Jesus who is a human is supposed to be God on the human form or whatever. Then we have the pope which according to your post is a descendant of God. I don't know why they like to mix God with humans.

. I would take Doc's description with a grain of salt. Not everything the pope says is infallible nor do any Catholics actually believe that. We believe the Pope is somehow inspired by the Holy Spirit but only when speaking to the universal Church on topics of Faith and Morals (a regular bishop can claim the same thing). The pope cannot proclaim some science theory as fact. Also, Peter was not a descendant of God. Peter was a fisherman called to be an apostle. He eventually became the first pope of the Catholic Church. Each apostle became a Bishop. These bishops made new bishops who made new bishops etc. ect. Down the line. Many bishops can actually trace their lines down to a specific apostle. There have been very in depth records kept. The Pope is simply a man elected among the apostles to lead the Church. He is simply the first among equals.

What you describe is modern day nobility by heritage.. Who would support that?

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What about the black pope in Solomons temple?!?!

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Oh man...you just opened pandora's box. The easy answer is that he is the leader of a religion that worships Lucifer. Not Satan...Lucifer which mean "bringer of light" or "truth bearer". They are real life honest to god sorcerers. They are a very powerful organization and the church invented the idea of Satan and attached it to the name lucifer to try and turn people away from them because they supposedly hold knowledge that could bring down the entire church. Do some research, it's incredibly interesting.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] One thing I noticed about Christians is that they really have a problem in differentiating God from humans. I mean Jesus who is a human is supposed to be God on the human form or whatever. Then we have the pope which according to your post is a descendant of God. I don't know why they like to mix God with humans.sSubZerOo

. I would take Doc's description with a grain of salt. Not everything the pope says is infallible nor do any Catholics actually believe that. We believe the Pope is somehow inspired by the Holy Spirit but only when speaking to the universal Church on topics of Faith and Morals (a regular bishop can claim the same thing). The pope cannot proclaim some science theory as fact. Also, Peter was not a descendant of God. Peter was a fisherman called to be an apostle. He eventually became the first pope of the Catholic Church. Each apostle became a Bishop. These bishops made new bishops who made new bishops etc. ect. Down the line. Many bishops can actually trace their lines down to a specific apostle. There have been very in depth records kept. The Pope is simply a man elected among the apostles to lead the Church. He is simply the first among equals.

What you describe is modern day nobility by heritage.. Who would support that?

Nobility by Heritage means you are born into a specific role. No bishop is born into the role of bishop. Bishops come all the way from farmers to business men. They work very hard to become VERY well educated. Only the most educated and most holy are chosen to serve as Bishops. There are many involved in selecting bishops, and it usually takes months to find a bishop who would do a good job. I'd support that over a group of people electing their favorite person to lead, who may or may not be educated.
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most holy :?
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[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"]

What about the black pope in Solomons temple?!?!

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Oh man...you just opened pandora's box. The easy answer is that he is the leader of a religion that worships Lucifer. Not Satan...Lucifer which mean "bringer of light" or "truth bearer". They are real life honest to god sorcerers. They are a very powerful organization and the church invented the idea of Satan and attached it to the name lucifer to try and turn people away from them because they supposedly hold knowledge that could bring down the entire church. Do some research, it's incredibly interesting.

Why do I feel like this is another conspiracy theory , my research of it has ended but never heard of the black pop,I think he has some connection with templers.
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[QUOTE="DocDelicious"][QUOTE="ToppledPillars"]

What about the black pope in Solomons temple?!?!

FMAB_GTO
Oh man...you just opened pandora's box. The easy answer is that he is the leader of a religion that worships Lucifer. Not Satan...Lucifer which mean "bringer of light" or "truth bearer". They are real life honest to god sorcerers. They are a very powerful organization and the church invented the idea of Satan and attached it to the name lucifer to try and turn people away from them because they supposedly hold knowledge that could bring down the entire church. Do some research, it's incredibly interesting.

Why do I feel like this is another conspiracy theory , my research of it has ended but never heard of the black pop,I think he has some connection with templers.

It's a conspiracy. It's about at the level of Terrorists did not blow up the World Trade Centers.
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#36 DocDelicious
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@ferrari2001 What they teach the public and what is actually written down are 2 completely different things. Having attended catholic school like I stated you learn A LOT more about the true meanings/thought processes behind the teachings. Pick up a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. You'll see what I mean. They very very often simplify/truncate things to make them easier for the common man to understand.
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#37 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="DocDelicious"]@ferrari2001 What they teach the public and what is actually written down are 2 completely different things. Having attended catholic school like I stated you learn A LOT more about the true meanings/thought processes behind the teachings. Pick up a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. You'll see what I mean. They very very often simplify/truncate things to make them easier for the common man to understand.

Dude, I've gone to Catholic School since kindergarten, and I'm now currently in the seminary (3rd Year) studying to be a Catholic Priest. I took a year class on the Catechism. Plus lots of philosophy, scripture and Catholic Social thought. I'd say I'm fairly well educated in the subject of Catholic Theology.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="DocDelicious"] Oh man...you just opened pandora's box. The easy answer is that he is the leader of a religion that worships Lucifer. Not Satan...Lucifer which mean "bringer of light" or "truth bearer". They are real life honest to god sorcerers. They are a very powerful organization and the church invented the idea of Satan and attached it to the name lucifer to try and turn people away from them because they supposedly hold knowledge that could bring down the entire church. Do some research, it's incredibly interesting.

Why do I feel like this is another conspiracy theory , my research of it has ended but never heard of the black pop,I think he has some connection with templers.

It's a conspiracy. It's about at the level of Terrorists did not blow up the World Trade Centers.

Actually if you did my research, you will find out that some theories are about that the 911 was just a sacrfice of the illuminati george wbush for lucifer so he can come to earth at 2012 and invade it under the mask of aliens, the theory is waaaay bigger than I said but thats in general.
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#39 DocDelicious
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Why do I feel like this is another conspiracy theory , my research of it has ended but never heard of the black pop,I think he has some connection with templers.

It is a conspiracy in the sense that it is not outright confirmed. But considering the amount of things the church has covered up in the past it's kind of believable. And considering the raping of small children by church authorities is considered a "conspiracy" by the church I'm inclined to believe at least some of it.
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#40 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Why do I feel like this is another conspiracy theory , my research of it has ended but never heard of the black pop,I think he has some connection with templers.

It's a conspiracy. It's about at the level of Terrorists did not blow up the World Trade Centers.

Actually if you did my research, you will find out that some theories are about that the 911 was just a sacrfice of the illuminati george wbush for lucifer so he can come to earth at 2012 and invade it under the mask of aliens, the theory is waaaay bigger than I said but thats in general.

I would advice that you research legitimate things. I can assure you that 911 was not a sacrifice of the illuminati george Bush.
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#41 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] It's a conspiracy. It's about at the level of Terrorists did not blow up the World Trade Centers.

Actually if you did my research, you will find out that some theories are about that the 911 was just a sacrfice of the illuminati george wbush for lucifer so he can come to earth at 2012 and invade it under the mask of aliens, the theory is waaaay bigger than I said but thats in general.

I would advice that you research legitimate things. I can assure you that 911 was not a sacrifice of the illuminati george Bush.

My friend I research everything , after religion im going to robot construction and jet propulsion.
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#42 DocDelicious
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="DocDelicious"]@ferrari2001 What they teach the public and what is actually written down are 2 completely different things. Having attended catholic school like I stated you learn A LOT more about the true meanings/thought processes behind the teachings. Pick up a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. You'll see what I mean. They very very often simplify/truncate things to make them easier for the common man to understand.

Dude, I've gone to Catholic School since kindergarten, and I'm now currently in the seminary (3rd Year) studying to be a Catholic Priest. I took a year class on the Catechism. Plus lots of philosophy, scripture and Catholic Social thought. I'd say I'm fairly well educated in the subject of Catholic Theology.

And clearly very illusioned. Besides I'm sure they taught you circular reasoning just as they did me. So arguing about this with you is pointless and will get us nowhere. Truth has no effect on blind faith. "You can't argue with stupid; and you're wasting your time if you try."
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#43 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="DocDelicious"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="DocDelicious"]@ferrari2001 What they teach the public and what is actually written down are 2 completely different things. Having attended catholic school like I stated you learn A LOT more about the true meanings/thought processes behind the teachings. Pick up a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. You'll see what I mean. They very very often simplify/truncate things to make them easier for the common man to understand.

Dude, I've gone to Catholic School since kindergarten, and I'm now currently in the seminary (3rd Year) studying to be a Catholic Priest. I took a year class on the Catechism. Plus lots of philosophy, scripture and Catholic Social thought. I'd say I'm fairly well educated in the subject of Catholic Theology.

And clearly very illusioned.

And you are not. You are clearly biased against the Catholic Church. Are you saying that in no way changes the way you interpret information about the church? I would say formal college classes (taught by both catholic and non-catholics) as well as the study of philosophy trumps grade school and personal education on the subject.
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#44 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Actually if you did my research, you will find out that some theories are about that the 911 was just a sacrfice of the illuminati george wbush for lucifer so he can come to earth at 2012 and invade it under the mask of aliens, the theory is waaaay bigger than I said but thats in general.

I would advice that you research legitimate things. I can assure you that 911 was not a sacrifice of the illuminati george Bush.

My friend I research everything , after religion im going to robot construction and jet propulsion.

What about Robot Jet Propulsion?
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#45 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I would advice that you research legitimate things. I can assure you that 911 was not a sacrifice of the illuminati george Bush.

My friend I research everything , after religion im going to robot construction and jet propulsion.

What about Robot Jet Propulsion?

ooooooooooo that sounds awsom , but does it exist ?there is always the internet to search.
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#46 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] My friend I research everything , after religion im going to robot construction and jet propulsion.

What about Robot Jet Propulsion?

ooooooooooo that sounds awsom , but does it exist ?there is always the internet to search.

We can only hope that such a rich technology exists. In fact the aliens might have already developed the technology. We just have to steal it from them.
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#47 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] What about Robot Jet Propulsion?

ooooooooooo that sounds awsom , but does it exist ?there is always the internet to search.

We can only hope that such a rich technology exists. In fact the aliens might have already developed the technology. We just have to steal it from them.

Or we can exchange it for video games . I don't believe the aliens would resist a game that crushes humans like aliens vs predator.
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#48 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] ooooooooooo that sounds awsom , but does it exist ?there is always the internet to search.

We can only hope that such a rich technology exists. In fact the aliens might have already developed the technology. We just have to steal it from them.

Or we can exchange it for video games . I don't believe the aliens would resist a game that crushes humans like aliens vs predator.

But do Aliens have TV's? We may have to give them tv's to.
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John paul 2 was cool.I have no faith in the pope though or the vatican.I really doubt God chose these people to lead..someone God chose wouldn't hide pedophiles.
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#50 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] We can only hope that such a rich technology exists. In fact the aliens might have already developed the technology. We just have to steal it from them.

Or we can exchange it for video games . I don't believe the aliens would resist a game that crushes humans like aliens vs predator.

But do Aliens have TV's? We may have to give them tv's to.

MAybe......WAIT!You know too much,I'm starting to suspect that your are an alien send to know about tvs eh? Well not on my planet freak !