Why no female soldiers?

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#1 ryuz4kee
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Something thats always bugged me for some reason was the fact that in America (I dont really know where else) we don't allow females to fight alongside men in battle. I mean, its a proven fact that Females are better shots then men.. especially when it comes to sniping. Thats why Russia used female soldiers in WWII, they might have used them after that but Im not too sure youll have to look it up or something =/.

Anywho, why exactly dont we give females the choice to fight? Im not a feminist, im not even a chick.. I just dont think its right.

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Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

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Something thats always bugged me for some reason was the fact that in America (I dont really know where else) we don't allow females to fight alongside men in battle. I mean, its a proven fact that Females are better shots then men.. especially when it comes to sniping. Thats why Russia used female soldiers in WWII, they might have used them after that but Im not too sure youll have to look it up or something =/.

Anywho, why exactly dont we give females the choice to fight? Im not a feminist, im not even a chick.. I just dont think its right.

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its a proven fact? really...

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[QUOTE="ryuz4kee"]

Something thats always bugged me for some reason was the fact that in America (I dont really know where else) we don't allow females to fight alongside men in battle. I mean, its a proven fact that Females are better shots then men.. especially when it comes to sniping. Thats why Russia used female soldiers in WWII, they might have used them after that but Im not too sure youll have to look it up or something =/.

Anywho, why exactly dont we give females the choice to fight? Im not a feminist, im not even a chick.. I just dont think its right.

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its a proven fact? really...

No it's not.

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

[QUOTE="ryuz4kee"]

Something thats always bugged me for some reason was the fact that in America (I dont really know where else) we don't allow females to fight alongside men in battle. I mean, its a proven fact that Females are better shots then men.. especially when it comes to sniping. Thats why Russia used female soldiers in WWII, they might have used them after that but Im not too sure youll have to look it up or something =/.

Anywho, why exactly dont we give females the choice to fight? Im not a feminist, im not even a chick.. I just dont think its right.

Pirate700

its a proven fact? really...

No it's not.

yeah i was going for sarcasm :P

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#6 chaddk
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We had a guy in my platoon who weighed 260 lbs, with all his gear and his weapon, possibly over 300 lbs. If he got shot and can't walk, how do you expect a woman soldier to help him or bring him to cover? And women aren't better snipers than men, I don't know where you heard that...

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#7 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

its a proven fact? really...

weezyfb

No it's not.

yeah i was going for sarcasm :P

I know. Just clearing it up in case someone actually believed him. :P

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#8 Mr47fitter
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I think it is due to physical implications not emotional...

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I think it depends on the individual as to how good a shot they are and not to gender....
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I find it interesting that women fight in Starship Troopers, Halo, and Gears of War.
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#11 chaddk
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I think it is due to physical implications not emotional...

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Women are different than men, there's no point in trying to make believe that we are all the same. Women are generally more emotional than men, and in combat, you can't let emotions affect your job or jeopardize the mission.
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the USA doesn't have females in the army? I could swear I've seen things about women in the army before...
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#13 lil_speedy_rvd
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We in the Canadian military lost a female soldier in Afghanistan last year, she was even part of my unit. She was just as capable as any man there. Karine Blais was her name, never gonna forget her.

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one reason.....women have their period. thats more supplies and one more thing that needs to be dealt with if they are out on some sort of mission. often causing emotional instabillity.

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#15 Pirate700
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I think it is due to physical implications not emotional...

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It's both. Women are wired completely different than men. They are far too emotional and naturally nurturing to fight in combat. Then there are also the physical limitations but those could be overcome I suppose.

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the USA doesn't have females in the army? I could swear I've seen things about women in the army before...XilePrincess

I think he means no women fighting in the frontlines. Yea title is confusing.

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the USA doesn't have females in the army? I could swear I've seen things about women in the army before...XilePrincess
They are but they can't see combat. They are usually nurses/medics or mechanics.

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the USA doesn't have females in the army? I could swear I've seen things about women in the army before...XilePrincess
Women are allowed in all branches of the US military, but restricted to non-combat jobs, like cooking, supply, driver, etc.
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Something thats always bugged me for some reason was the fact that in America (I dont really know where else) we don't allow females to fight alongside men in battle. I mean, its a proven fact that Females are better shots then men.. especially when it comes to sniping. Thats why Russia used female soldiers in WWII, they might have used them after that but Im not too sure youll have to look it up or something =/.

Anywho, why exactly dont we give females the choice to fight? Im not a feminist, im not even a chick.. I just dont think its right.

ryuz4kee

and here i thought Mihail Ilyich Surkov had the most kills as a sniper in WW2, there were some damn fine female snipers in the red army but they were not the best

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There are woman soldiers in the US Army that fight along side other soldiers.

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#21 UltimoIce
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Lots of issues with women fighting alongside men. In a perfect world, it would work. Our world isn't perfect. There are physical limitations, emotional limitations on both sides (men would be more likely to crack if they saw a woman get blown up than another man), and sexual limitations.

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They squeal when they squeeze off a few rounds and that gives their position away. There are other reasons, but that is the biggest one.
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#23 TheDogout
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They are in the army

They are just too busy making sandwhiches to fight.

Oh yeah.... I went there:lol:

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The same reason that caused woman to be gatherers while the men hunt. And why in history almost all warriors were men.

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They squeal when they squeeze off a few rounds and that gives their position away. There are other reasons, but that is the biggest one.FragStains

i understand that (hopefully) this is sarcasm. But how can anyone make fun of women who are fighting a war to protect your a$$, last time I checked a soldier is a soldier no matter what gender they may be. How can anyone make fun of someone for protecting their own homes and yours?

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[QUOTE="FragStains"]They squeal when they squeeze off a few rounds and that gives their position away. There are other reasons, but that is the biggest one.lil_speedy_rvd

i understand that (hopefully) this is sarcasm. But how can anyone make fun of women who are fighting a war to protect your a$$, last time I checked a soldier is a soldier no matter what gender they may be. How can anyone make fun of someone for protecting their own homes and yours?

Only one person here made fun of them. Chill out.

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Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

Pirate700
Most reasonable answer so far...
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Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

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wait what? link to research?
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I thought women are allowed in the military, it's just that they're not allowed to do certain things, and that's because of historical purposes, not because they're wired differently... I don't think women should fight in wars because in case of a DEFCON 1 disaster. Women are just as capable as men in anything, and I do believe they should be allowed to join the military, but war is a no-no IMO.
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#30 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

comp_atkins

wait what? link to research?

You honestly need me to get a link for you to explain how women differ from men naturally/mentally? That's biology and psychology 101. Find your own link.

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the USA doesn't have females in the army? I could swear I've seen things about women in the army before...XilePrincess
Only in support roles, i think the closest they get to combat is airforce base defense.

Fist there's the muscle mass and red blood cell issues which mean that women would find it much more difficult to have the same strength as men. Also there's the issue of sexual tension within the squad which could mess up coherancy but i think the main one is that it's thought that a man will risk his life much more readily for an injured female comrade than an injured male pottentially putting his whole unit at risk. Oh and they'ld need seperate baracks which isn't an issue at base but could be a problem when out on patrol.

Having female front line soldiers could work if they made all female squads, that would remove pretty much all the possible problems.

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[QUOTE="lil_speedy_rvd"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]They squeal when they squeeze off a few rounds and that gives their position away. There are other reasons, but that is the biggest one.Pirate700

i understand that (hopefully) this is sarcasm. But how can anyone make fun of women who are fighting a war to protect your a$$, last time I checked a soldier is a soldier no matter what gender they may be. How can anyone make fun of someone for protecting their own homes and yours?

Only one person here made fun of them. Chill out.

I am chill, i just wanted to put that person in his place, you wouldnt make fun of a male soldier that way then why would you make fun of female soldiers? They are just as well trained as the male counterparts, yes maybe they cant carry as much, or work for as long, but they are just as willing to lay their lives for the protection of their country, and i would rather have a person with that quality with me on the front lines, then some guy who can carry 200 pounds of equipment but isnt ready to give his life for his country.

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We had a guy in my platoon who weighed 260 lbs, with all his gear and his weapon, possibly over 300 lbs. If he got shot and can't walk, how do you expect a woman soldier to help him or bring him to cover? And women aren't better snipers than men, I don't know where you heard that...

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yeah, that's true. I had a female seargent in my team. But she had problems when we were doing the runs through hurdles
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Yes, a female in a front-line unit full of guys that haven't gotten any for months. That's a SUPERB idea.

And for one, women aren't better shots than men. I don't know how many girls I've gone through qualifications with, but I haven't seen a single one of them shoot expert, whereas I'm hitting 25/30 consistently. Yeah, I'm sure there's the rare case of a woman being an excellent shot...but I haven't seen it.

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#35 The_Last_Ride
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Yes, a female in a front-line unit full of guys that haven't gotten any for months. That's a SUPERB idea.

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:lol:lol, yeah good idea^^
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Why the hell do some people think men and women are the same? WOMEN and MEN are not equally capable of doing anything. Women are better at these tasks, men are better at those tasks, etc. women and men are equal but not the same, we each have strengths in different fields.

Allowing women to go to war in a combat role is disadvantageous for so many reasons. As mentioned above, there is the physical limitations, the emotional, the favouritism it would cause among male soldiers: If a women and a man are injured, who do you think the male medic is gonna save?

My own reason for women not being in war is based on biology. WOMEN ARE MORE VALUABLE THEN MEN. i'm a guy btw. Women can reproduce, men cannot. after the war is over you want your nation, your culture to live on right? win or lose. In order for your people to live on, you must have WOMEN alive after the war, not men. the ability of your nation to continue on after the war is dependent on how many women you still have. you only need a few fertile males alive, and your civilization wil be fine. So if your gonna send someone to die, send the men. Women are too valuable to risk their lives.

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Yes, a female in a front-line unit full of guys that haven't gotten any for months. That's a SUPERB idea.

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Other than combat units women can be deployed toward the front lines.....

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Simple. Women's physical constitution is not on par with that of men. This whole equality crap has lead many people to think that women should be doing the same stuff as men and viceversa when that's completely illogical. Women are more apt than men for some stuff and men are more apt than women for some other stuff. In the end the relationship is complementary like with any other animal species.
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

Pirate700

wait what? link to research?

You honestly need me to get a link for you to explain how women differ from men naturally/mentally? That's biology and psychology 101. Find your own link.

your point was that "women emotionally aren't equipped for war" obviously men and women are different physically and emotionally. i'm asking for specific information on why those emotional differences make women unsuitable for combat.. link please?

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Yes, a female in a front-line unit full of guys that haven't gotten any for months. That's a SUPERB idea.

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They're soldiers. I'm sure they can deal with a smelly woman in army fatigues. :P
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#41 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Other than combat units women can be deployed toward the front lines.....

LJS9502_basic

I meant front-line combat units.

I already know they're in FOBs and part of IBD units. But not in a front-line combat unit.

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My own reason for women not being in war is based on biology. WOMEN ARE MORE VALUABLE THEN MEN. i'm a guy btw. Women can reproduce, men cannot. after the war is over you want your nation, your culture to live on right? win or lose. In order for your people to live on, you must have WOMEN alive after the war, not men. the ability of your nation to continue on after the war is dependent on how many women you still have. you only need a few fertile males alive, and your civilization wil be fine. So if your gonna send someone to die, send the men. Women are too valuable to risk their lives.

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yeah my thoughts exactly

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They're soldiers. I'm sure they can deal with a smelly woman in army fatigues. :PSajo7

Wasn't referring to showers as the thing they weren't getting. :P

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Wars aren't waged in the kitchen, that's why.

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I find it interesting that women fight in Starship Troopers, Halo, and Gears of War.goth_bacon
When have they ever fought in gears of war ?
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#46 grape_of_wrath
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Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

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There are women combatants in the israeli army(that i've met and worked with) as well as in european nations. In the IDF they're allowed to be light infantry,artillery and AA. The problem with most layman individual in regards to the military is that they can only visualize combat soldiers as infantrymen.the problem with women is that they're inferior in regards to physicality(which directly connects to the sniper comment-a sinper is dire physical labour-the most important thing about a sniper is endurance.from experience snipers are usually some muscular viking looking types).
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Isn't it obious? We don't let woman compete with men in almost all physical sports. When we do they tend to lose without a chance of winning. War is all about winning. Men are programmed to be competitive and win at all costs. Would you as a country rather notspend your money(training equipment...) on physically and emotionally more suited recruits? And think about all the rape female war prisonars would have to endure.
Maby if in the future war becomes more like doing groceries we will see much more female soldiers.

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[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Women aren't allowed to fight in any military I know of. One reason is women emotionally aren't equipped for war and to kill the way men are.

Most reasonable answer so far...

That's what training's for.it may be reasonable-but it's false.
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[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]I find it interesting that women fight in Starship Troopers, Halo, and Gears of War.Darksonic666
When have they ever fought in gears of war ?

the first geow book "aspho fields" first introduce a female cog name Bernie. what was her age, i do not know. I'm assumign around 50 years old

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#50 dracos9000
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Women can be fighter pilots in the military can't they?