Why Should God Let You Into Heaven?

Because I opened my heart to a possible delusion of beleiving in a higher power, his holy actions and his underserved death on a perpendicular line wood figure that has a very heavy resemblance to something found in my old homework assignments--that I can't see in trust of him being my very savior someday. Plus, I'd look pretty damn fly with angel wings, talk about a fashion necessity beyond the grave.TecmoGirl

The only way to Heaven is believing in Him with all your heart.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.Engrish_Major

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

It's the completely true word of God. Not just the words of others.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.J-man45

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

It's the completely true word of God. Not just the words of others.

Right...

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Crushmaster

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.J-man45

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

It's the completely true word of God. Not just the words of others.

Yes, because a book written two thousand years ago couldn't possibly have been changed between then and now :roll:

That's for Him to decide.blackngold29

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.J-man45

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

It's the completely true word of God. Not just the words of others.

Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.SolidSnake35

So you're saying you're Jesus?

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

But through his love He sent His son to die so that we could live. :)

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.tycoonmike

Assuming, of course, that Revelation is literally true. To my knowledge, there is no reference to Hell in any book in the Bible, Old or New Testament, as a place of fire and brimstone until Revelation. It mentions Purgatory, I believe, but that is simply a sort of holding cell for souls until the final judgement.

You can take my good person test at the bottom of my post and find out. Most think they are good. Here's a test to find out?

1. Ever lied? Even a white one? (9th commandment)

2. Ever stolen something? No matter how small? (8th commandment)

3. Ever killed? That includes with your words? (Matt. 5-7) (6th commandment)

4. Ever committed adultery which includes looking at someone with lust? (Matt. 5-7) (7th commandment)

5. Ever taken God's name in vain which means to use it mockingly or as a curse word? (3rd commandment)

6. Ever committed idolatry? Which means to put anything above God. (1st commantment)

That is just 6 of them. There are 4 more to go. If God judges by those commandments, which He will, will you go to heaven or hell? Some might say that, "I'd go to hell but God is love so He'll forgive me." Let me prove that doesn't make sense by this illustration. The bible says God is holy, righteous (perfect), and just. If that is true He can't overlook sin. Think about it this way:

maheo30

I answered yes to all of that and I still consider myself a good person.

1. Yes, mostly to get my parents, teachers, etc, off my back (like saying I did my homework when I didn't), it's one of my greatest flaws, but I've been trying hard in recent years to fix it and I'm making good progress.

2. Yes, only small things (pens, pencils, etc), the last time I did it must have been around 8th grade, and I did it VERY rarely, it was not a habit or anything. Now I never do it, and I'm against stealing even such small things, if I found something of yours in the ground I'd give it back.

3. Not literally. I did say some very nasty things to people in the past, but I try not to anymore, I'm actually a nice guy.

4. I've never cheated on my girlfriend, that should be enough. That lust thing is just stupid, you're not doing anything wrong, and we're just humans, what would you have us do?

5. and 6. Yes and yes. How is that wrong? How does it affect others? It doesn't make any sense at all, is god so insecure he can't handle a mere human throwing bs at him?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.STWELCH

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

battlefront23

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

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BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

Engrish_Major

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

I'm not guilt tripping I'm stating fact. I deserve nothing excep to rot in hell for what I've done. BTW I'm not Catholic, I'm Protestant.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.Engrish_Major

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

battlefront23

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

I'm not guilt tripping I'm stating fact. I deserve nothing excep to rot in hell for what I've done. BTW I'm not Catholic, I'm Protestant.

WTF did you do?

There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

Engrish_Major

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Crushmaster

Didn't know god wrote in English and had a printing press.

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There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Hewkii

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Not everyone deserves to burn in hell

Don't get me wrong everyone has done some bad things in their life but there are some people(including me) that does their best to make it to heaven

I don't ever want to go to hell

From what I know its a place where torment never ends

The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

DJ_Novakain

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

See, this is the great problem with the majority of Christian sects.

Doesn't Love thy neighbor as THYSELF say something about self-worth?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

Engrish_Major

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

I'm not guilt tripping I'm stating fact. I deserve nothing excep to rot in hell for what I've done. BTW I'm not Catholic, I'm Protestant.

WTF did you do?

I've sinned against God. You know for how much you guys hate the Bible, it seems you don't read it. How can you make such bold claims about it when you've never read it?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.STWELCH

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why SHOULD I go to heaven? There's hot chicks and booze in Hell.DJ_Novakain

Damn, dude, can you express any opinions on your own, or do you always rely on the words of others?

It's the completely true word of God. Not just the words of others.

Dude, don't you see? The book says it's all true and the word of god, therefore it MUST be true! How could we have been so blind?

:roll:

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The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Engrish_Major

Didn't know god wrote in English and had a printing press.

[QUOTE="DJ_Novakain"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

STWELCH

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

See, this is the great problem with the majority of Christian sects.

Doesn't Love thy neighbor as THYSELF say something about self-worth?

That doesn't make any sense. I know you're going to hell so I'm trying to save you. And I don't love you as myself?

I've sinned against God. You know for how much you guys hate the Bible, it seems you don't read it. How can you make such bold claims about it when you've never read it?

battlefront23

Circular logic there, dude. You buy into the lifelong guilt trip.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Crushmaster

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

anyways, 1000 post, w00t. And with that, imma go to bed. Its like 5 am

This looks like another big argument

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The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Omni-Slash

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Crushmaster

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

I was hoping you would come out of the castle and use logic and reason and some sort of organized philosophy, but so be it. First, the KJV is....bad.

Jesus says that the kingdom of God is "within you." He makes several references to that concept, making it seem that it is a mystical concept, much in the way of say, enlightenment rather than eternal life, which is a seperate concept entirely.

Your Mark verse does not say saved from what, or damned to what. This is the main problem is that denominations use the Bible to enforce their own dogma. For all we know, it could mean what Tillich said it did, that it means saving man from his own existential-ontological ambiguities present in the modern man's dilemma.

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I've sinned against God. You know for how much you guys hate the Bible, it seems you don't read it. How can you make such bold claims about it when you've never read it?

Engrish_Major

Circular logic there, dude. You buy into the lifelong guilt trip.

How is that circular logic? At all?

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Crushmaster

Um, hate to resort to this argument but...

Prove it.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
The Bible is the Word of God, not just a book written by men.Crushmaster

That does not say the Bible is perfect. Inspiration=perfection?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.STWELCH

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

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There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. STWELCH

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="DJ_Novakain"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

BTW He shoudln't let us in, we all deserve to rot in hell.

battlefront23

Forcing the lifelong guilt trip on us is exactly the problem with Catholicism. Screw that...

See, this is the great problem with the majority of Christian sects.

Doesn't Love thy neighbor as THYSELF say something about self-worth?

That doesn't make any sense. I know you're going to hell so I'm trying to save you. And I don't love you as myself?

No, it's the self-affirmation of worth; it's being able to love yourself. Not condemning yourself.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I've sinned against God. You know for how much you guys hate the Bible, it seems you don't read it. How can you make such bold claims about it when you've never read it?

battlefront23

Circular logic there, dude. You buy into the lifelong guilt trip.

How is that circular logic? At all?

We are talking in circles about all deserving to go to hell, just because we exist. I am asking you to explain, which you cannot except by saying "I have sinned against god."

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Silenthps

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

....So God, who understands everything, is Love itself......is much more harder on his standards of man and the criteria they must meet then men who are morally and intellectually defiecent?

(Revelation 20:15) - "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."Crushmaster

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Ah, Revelation...the acid trip book that uses highly symbolic imagery to assure the Christians of their triumph over Roman overlords....