Why Should God Let You Into Heaven?

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.STWELCH

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

....So God, who understands everything, is Love itself......is much more harder on his standards of man and the criteria they must meet then men who are morally and intellectually defiecent?

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Silenthps

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

....So God, who understands everything, is Love itself......is much more harder on his standards of man and the criteria they must meet then men who are morally and intellectually defiecent?

Your missing the point. Wouldn't such a God understand the complexities of human existence, understand each person's search for meaning even if they say, make the mistake of following another religion?

A child is more understanding than that God.

... Yes. Why should God change his standards to the standards of man? Silenthps

...because men shouldn't be more forgiving then the Almighty?

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

balindos

And he only knows how to spout what came in his salesman's handbook, and not much else. Like shopping at Best Buy.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. balindos

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

[QUOTE="balindos"]

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

Engrish_Major

And he only knows how to spout what came in his salesman's handbook, and not much else. Like shopping at Best Buy.

LOL Its the official Best Buy Salesman's Handbook. LOL Good one.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

I hope you realize that due to the way you are conducting this "spreading of the Gospel", most will be even more turned off from Christianity. If your going to preach, beat people on their own ground.

(Mark 16:15) - "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
All I am trying to do is obey my Lord and King.
I fail Him many times, yes - but He can still use me mightily.
Christ has commanded us to spread the Gospel.
That is what I am trying to do - to spread the Truth of God's Word, and tell people what the Lord says.Crushmaster

Your book tells you to increase its popularity... surprise, surprise.

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]Because I opened my heart to a possible delusion of beleiving in a higher power, his holy actions and his underserved death on a perpendicular line wood figure that has a very heavy resemblance to something found in my old homework assignments--that I can't see in trust of him being my very savior someday. Plus, I'd look pretty damn fly with angel wings, talk about a fashion necessity beyond the grave.J-man45

The only way to Heaven is believing in Him with all your heart.

I just hope that's true. I can't really tell sometimes if it's with all of my heart. I never been spiritual but yet, I do pray every now and then--"God" is usually the first name I call on when there is something wrong and I feel like I can't handle it alone--even when things don't really change all that much afterwards and I end up telling myself it's stupid to even pray. I always pray before I eat something.

I feel like even if I say I don't believe in him--he ends up in everything I say when I need help, or if im just feeling incredibly thankful for something and ect ect. Not sure if that means I believe in him with all my heart or if it's a step in the right direction, but I sure hope so. I was always told that you'd have to be "baptised" to make it anywhere near heaven to begin with anyway.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

Quotes, what a surprise. Where is your friend Black Regiment. I dont think you Lord would appreciate your support for war as in your Avatar. Read the bible all you want but man make an opinion about it. I just dont understand how the word of god come from a man.

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]Because I opened my heart to a possible delusion of beleiving in a higher power, his holy actions and his underserved death on a perpendicular line wood figure that has a very heavy resemblance to something found in my old homework assignments--that I can't see in trust of him being my very savior someday. Plus, I'd look pretty damn fly with angel wings, talk about a fashion necessity beyond the grave.TecmoGirl

The only way to Heaven is believing in Him with all your heart.

I just hope that's true. I can't really tell sometimes if it's with all of my heart. I never been spiritual but yet, I do pray every now and then--"God" is usually the first name I call on when there is something wrong and I feel like I can't handle it alone--even when things don't really change all that much afterwards and I end up telling myself it's stupid to even pray. I always pray before I eat something.

I feel like even if I say I don't believe in him--he ends up in everything I say when I need help, or if im just feeling incredibly thankful for something and ect ect. Not sure if that means I believe in him with all my heart or if it's a step in the right direction, but I sure hope so. I was always told that you'd have to be "baptised" to make it anywhere near heaven to begin with anyway.

Baby steps, if your on that road. Best thing to do is find people who you can go with questions, try checking out some books on theology and the like, and read the Bible.

Doubt persists no matter what, but you can learn to deal with it.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.STWELCH

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

....So God, who understands everything, is Love itself......is much more harder on his standards of man and the criteria they must meet then men who are morally and intellectually defiecent?

Your missing the point. Wouldn't such a God understand the complexities of human existence, understand each person's search for meaning even if they say, make the mistake of following another religion?

A child is more understanding than that God.

He understands how hard it is, which is why he sent his son to die for our sins. If we repent and accept Jesus Christ, then we make it into heaven. But if we don't repent, how can he forgive? If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

Silenthps

no one. there is no economy on souls, there won't be a "collapse" if everyone is let in. and (as referenced in another thread) there is apparently no reason to sin in Heaven, so no one would sin.

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="STWELCH"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Because I don't deserve to suffer for all eternity in hell.Silenthps

How does temporal and finite crimes from finite beings translate into infinite and eternal punishment? Add to this a God that is Agape, utter self sacrificing love.

Ready, set, go!

If someone murders someone, goes to jail, serves their time. Aren't they still considered a murderer? They will still always be known as the person who murdered such and such. And this example is only compared to human standards. God's standards are much higher.

....So God, who understands everything, is Love itself......is much more harder on his standards of man and the criteria they must meet then men who are morally and intellectually defiecent?

Your missing the point. Wouldn't such a God understand the complexities of human existence, understand each person's search for meaning even if they say, make the mistake of following another religion?

A child is more understanding than that God.

He understands how hard it is, which is why he sent his son to die for our sins. If we repent and accept Jesus Christ, then we make it into heaven. But if we don't repent, how can he forgive? If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

See, this is the heart of the matter.

What does Jesus's death due. Specifically, what does it due. What's your atonement theology?

[QUOTE="balindos"]

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

Engrish_Major

And he only knows how to spout what came in his salesman's handbook, and not much else. Like shopping at Best Buy.

They can't find God. They don't want to find God. Even if they did they aren't allowed to approach. Read thisfrom Romans,

10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."
13"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know."

18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."

19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Crushmaster knows he has the actual word of God in print. Why would he quote something else? You don't actually expect him to quote something stupid and silly as evolutionary science which is nothing but man's pathetic attempt to get rid of God. As if that actually got rid of Him. Man knows there of the one, true living God. He was written it His laws their hearts. They go around saying He doesn't exist because they love their sin. Here's another quote from Romans,

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

All one has to do is look around to know that is true! Notice it says men suppress the truth about God. How do they do this? Thru their sin! What may be known about God is plain to them, but they don't like that! They love their sin.

Dunno, but I was wondering, what would happen to a pyromaniac who enjoys their own pain? Hell would be like heaven for them, so would they go to heaven instead?rb2610

Pain is limited to your physical body, which has pain receptors. I don't think you would be able to feel pain.

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

SSJ5_Goku-San

Don't tell them that. It just encourages them to make more of these threads.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
There are multiple examples of Hell being a lake of Fire, as shown in Matthew 13:41-42. Crushmaster

a furnace is not a lake.

And considering the word "Hell" was borrowed from the concept of the pagan underworld "Hel", and that Jesus never actually said it (He used the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna).

Why do you continue to troll around spreading your faith? If they want to find God they know how to and dont need your help. Cant you be happy with it on your own and leave others alone? Are you looking for others approval in your faith so you wouldnt be alone in it? It seems like yoiu are a door to door sales man of christianity but the only thing is that you will not be paid any commissions are the end of the transaction. Just let people be and dont scare them by telling them they are going to hell. This should be added to the bible and all religious books "KEEP RELIGION TO THY SELF"

That is what I am trying to do - to spread the Truth of God's Word, and tell people what the Lord says.

Lol, wow dude your full of it.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

Hewkii

no one. there is no economy on souls, there won't be a "collapse" if everyone is let in. and (as referenced in another thread) there is apparently no reason to sin in Heaven, so no one would sin.

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

SSJ5_Goku-San

One can't convince you. The bible says that even if God Himself appeared to you you still wouldn't believe. The bible says in Psalm 2 you would try to kill Him. I could argue all day and say I won every argument thrown at me. You still wouldn't believe. God has to open your eyes. Otherwise you have no hope. You won't believe unless God allows it. You have no say in the matter.

I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. Silenthps

who says there has to be punishment?

[QUOTE="SSJ5_Goku-San"]

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

maheo30

One can't convince you. The bible says that even if God Himself appeared to you you still wouldn't believe. The bible says in Psalm 2 you would try to kill Him. I could argue all day and say I won every argument thrown at me. You still wouldn't believe. God has to open your eyes. Otherwise you have no hope. You won't believe unless God allows it. You have no say in the matter.

That's why your union attacks people in groups like a pack of hellhounds.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

Silenthps

no one. there is no economy on souls, there won't be a "collapse" if everyone is let in. and (as referenced in another thread) there is apparently no reason to sin in Heaven, so no one would sin.

Who the hell cares about him? Hes dead, nothing more.

The meek will inherit the earth, not heaven. Therefore, there's no reason for us to be there.dog64

LOL! That is the most twisted use of Matthew 5 I have ever seen. I'm going to assume to are mocking.

[QUOTE="rb2610"]Dunno, but I was wondering, what would happen to a pyromaniac who enjoys their own pain? Hell would be like heaven for them, so would they go to heaven instead?Shad0ki11

Pain is limited to your physical body, which has pain receptors. I don't think you would be able to feel pain.

That would make hell a futile concept if you can't feel pain :?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

Silenthps

no one. there is no economy on souls, there won't be a "collapse" if everyone is let in. and (as referenced in another thread) there is apparently no reason to sin in Heaven, so no one would sin.

Why is punishment....needed?

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="rb2610"]Dunno, but I was wondering, what would happen to a pyromaniac who enjoys their own pain? Hell would be like heaven for them, so would they go to heaven instead?rb2610

Pain is limited to your physical body, which has pain receptors. I don't think you would be able to feel pain.

That would make hell a futile concept if you can't feel pain :?

Yeah.

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="SSJ5_Goku-San"]

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

Shad0ki11

One can't convince you. The bible says that even if God Himself appeared to you you still wouldn't believe. The bible says in Psalm 2 you would try to kill Him. I could argue all day and say I won every argument thrown at me. You still wouldn't believe. God has to open your eyes. Otherwise you have no hope. You won't believe unless God allows it. You have no say in the matter.

That's why your union attacks people in groups like a pack of hellhounds.

What do you find offensive about :

Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie)?

Thou shalt not kill (Includes with words)?

Honor you father and mother?

Thou shalt not covet? (Want what doesn't belong to you)

I could go on. What is wrong with God saying not to do those thing? Nothing, if you are honest! The problem here isn't a holy, just, roghteous, good, and loving God.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

If we dont accept Jesus, who's gonna pay the price for our sins?

Silenthps

no one. there is no economy on souls, there won't be a "collapse" if everyone is let in. and (as referenced in another thread) there is apparently no reason to sin in Heaven, so no one would sin.

Your punished by your sins with or without the acceptance of god. The punishment for a sin is death and you will die no matter what and I guarantee it. Its a book of laws and a way to frighten people. The bible has good teaching but also very devilish things.

[QUOTE="dog64"]The meek will inherit the earth, not heaven. Therefore, there's no reason for us to be there.maheo30

LOL! That is the most twisted use of Matthew 5 I have ever seen. I'm going to assume to are mocking.

God made earth to be our home. Heaven is god's home. Why should we be there?

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"][QUOTE="J-man45"]

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]Because I opened my heart to a possible delusion of beleiving in a higher power, his holy actions and his underserved death on a perpendicular line wood figure that has a very heavy resemblance to something found in my old homework assignments--that I can't see in trust of him being my very savior someday. Plus, I'd look pretty damn fly with angel wings, talk about a fashion necessity beyond the grave.STWELCH

The only way to Heaven is believing in Him with all your heart.

I just hope that's true. I can't really tell sometimes if it's with all of my heart. I never been spiritual but yet, I do pray every now and then--"God" is usually the first name I call on when there is something wrong and I feel like I can't handle it alone--even when things don't really change all that much afterwards and I end up telling myself it's stupid to even pray. I always pray before I eat something.

I feel like even if I say I don't believe in him--he ends up in everything I say when I need help, or if im just feeling incredibly thankful for something and ect ect. Not sure if that means I believe in him with all my heart or if it's a step in the right direction, but I sure hope so. I was always told that you'd have to be "baptised" to make it anywhere near heaven to begin with anyway.

Baby steps, if your on that road. Best thing to do is find people who you can go with questions, try checking out some books on theology and the like, and read the Bible.

Doubt persists no matter what, but you can learn to deal with it.

I guess it does make sense to take baby steps--I tried reading the "Bible" before though, but I could never really understand anything that's being said(favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised?) That's just kinda confusing to me I guess. God is love, so why should I fear him?--assuming that's even what's it's saying. I hope the theology books aren't like that--I just wish it was simpler ways for everything to be said so I can understand without asking a million questions.

[QUOTE="SSJ5_Goku-San"]

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

maheo30

One can't convince you. The bible says that even if God Himself appeared to you you still wouldn't believe. The bible says in Psalm 2 you would try to kill Him. I could argue all day and say I won every argument thrown at me. You still wouldn't believe. God has to open your eyes. Otherwise you have no hope. You won't believe unless God allows it. You have no say in the matter.

WOW JUST WOW.

See, this is the heart of the matter.

What does Jesus's death due. Specifically, what does it due. What's your atonement theology?

STWELCH

Here's how I like to think of it. Jesus never sinned, so he has eternal life. The thing about infinity is, No matter how much you add, subtract, multiply and divide by infinity.. It's still infinity. So if one man who is allowed to have eternal life, sacrifices himself so that all can have it, Its like dividing infinity up with all of humanity while still keeping his infinity.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="SSJ5_Goku-San"]

I've read 6 pages of this thread and i'm still not conviced of why i should convert to christianity unless you show me proof that everything happened in the bible....And please don't say "everything has happened in the bible because it is god's word"

That's getting kinda old eh?

maheo30

One can't convince you. The bible says that even if God Himself appeared to you you still wouldn't believe. The bible says in Psalm 2 you would try to kill Him. I could argue all day and say I won every argument thrown at me. You still wouldn't believe. God has to open your eyes. Otherwise you have no hope. You won't believe unless God allows it. You have no say in the matter.

That's why your union attacks people in groups like a pack of hellhounds.

What do you find offensive about :

Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie)?

Thou shalt not kill (Includes with words)?

Honor you father and mother?

Thou shalt not covet? (Want what doesn't belong to you)

I could go on. What is wrong with God saying not to do those thing? Nothing, if you are honest! The problem here isn't a holy, just, roghteous, good, and loving God.

Nothing is offensive, it's just very annoying and repetitive.

I don't have a problem with God. I have a problem with your union of automatons.

God made earth to be our home. Heaven is god's home. Why should we be there?

dog64

that's actually rather similar to Jewish beliefs, I think.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. Hewkii

who says there has to be punishment?

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="dog64"]The meek will inherit the earth, not heaven. Therefore, there's no reason for us to be there.dog64

LOL! That is the most twisted use of Matthew 5 I have ever seen. I'm going to assume to are mocking.

God made earth to be our home. Heaven is god's home. Why should we be there?

The point is that God will blend the 2. Sin caused the division. When that is done away heaven will be here on a newly reformed earth. Read Revelation 21. Also read the major and minor prophets.

If he didn't punish people for their sins, he wouldn't be a just God. Silenthps

just to who?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. Silenthps

who says there has to be punishment?

Why does he have to be just...he's God.

[QUOTE="dog64"][QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="dog64"]The meek will inherit the earth, not heaven. Therefore, there's no reason for us to be there.maheo30

LOL! That is the most twisted use of Matthew 5 I have ever seen. I'm going to assume to are mocking.

God made earth to be our home. Heaven is god's home. Why should we be there?

The point is that God will blend the 2. Sin caused the division. When that is done away heaven will be here on a newly reformed earth. Read Revelation 21. Also read the major and minor prophets.

You guys are just making stuff up just like the bible. Go on your merry way and believe in what you want to believe. Continue believing in a God that asks Men to kill their first Son to proove their belief in him. Continue living scared.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. Silenthps

who says there has to be punishment?

:/

There's a difference between punishing for the sake of punishing (eternal Hell) and punishing for correctional purposes (Which is far more in line with the keeping of divine love)

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. ice144

who says there has to be punishment?

Why does he have to be just...he's God.

Because it's in his nature to be just. Thats like saying why does he have to not sin. It's just something that he doesn't do. Silenthps

so...God doesn't have freedom of choice. I suppose that says something about it if the perfect one doesn't have it.

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God made earth to be our home. Heaven is god's home. Why should we be there?

Hewkii

that's actually rather similar to Jewish beliefs, I think.

That would make sense, since Jesus himself was Jewish.

The point is that God will blend the 2. Sin caused the division. When that is done away heaven will be here on a newly reformed earth. Read Revelation 21. Also read the major and minor prophets.

maheo30

Then why do I always hear "I'm going to be in heaven forever". Earth is not heaven. Earth and heaven are different places. A newly reformed earth makes sense, but it couldn't be heaven, since flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm not talking about heaven. Im talking about the Sin's in this world. If we dont accept that Jesus died for our sins, then we are the ones who has to take the punishment for our sins. STWELCH

who says there has to be punishment?

:/

There's a difference between punishing for the sake of punishing (eternal Hell) and punishing for correctional purposes (Which is far more in line with the keeping of divine love)

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Because it's in his nature to be just. Thats like saying why does he have to not sin. It's just something that he doesn't do. Hewkii

so...God doesn't have freedom of choice. I suppose that says something about it if the perfect one doesn't have it.

Your thinking as if God is human writ large, when he transcends such categories of classification.