Why Should God Let You Into Heaven?

Cos me and Ted melvinned death in order to let us in. And I know that the meaning of life is that every rose has it's thorn.

So good works are a requirement?

lilburtonboy748

given that it's out of the Bible I would say yes.

[QUOTE="Qooroo"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]Go ahead, answer EVERY question:

So good works are a requirement?If that's the case, then the man i mention who becomes saved right before he dies isn't saved?A person cannot be saved on their death bed?

If good works are a requirement to get to heaven, then I guess those people are out of luck.

Quick question, how many good works must one perform?

lilburtonboy748

no, it's more about using logic. just think about it. it doesn't make sense if good works are a requirement for getting to heaven. If that's the case, then no one can be saved right before dying.

How about this:

The man on the cross next to Jesus. He was an evil man. He repented on the cross with Jesus. Jesus told him he will be going to heaven. He was an awful man who had not done good works. This clearly shows it is not a requirement.

It doesn't take interpretive reading, just a brain.

Dude, you are arguing against the Bible. I don't know how to tell you this. I don't need to answer any of your questions because I'm not making an argument; I'm simply showing you what the Bible says. You're basically arguing that something in the Bible doesn't make logical sense, which is something I would sooner expect from an atheist. :P

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

black_cat19

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

So good works are a requirement?If that's the case, then the man i mention who becomes saved right before he dies isn't saved?A person cannot be saved on their death bed?

If good works are a requirement to get to heaven, then I guess those people are out of luck.

Quick question, how many good works must one perform?

GabuEx

I hate to tell you this, but you're arguing against the Bible, not me. This is what Jesus said that God would tell people within that passage:

"Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. .... I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."

Translation: "You did good things for other people, so you did them for me, thus you may now go to heaven." This is not me saying what I would like to be the case; this is me directly quoting the Bible.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

Silenthps

Religious discussion belongs here in the OT, preaching belongs in that Christian Witness Union of yours...

This whole topic is one big cluster****.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Hold on just a minute. When Jesus said this, He was referring to Christians. Look at this verse:
(Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: {9} Not of works, lest any man should boast."
It is not by anything we have done - we don't deserve God's saving power.
But, if we accept His son into our hearts and repent of our sins, we will be saved!
(John 14:6) - "Jesus saith unto him; I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: No man cometh to the father (by what?) but by me."
Also, there is the verse thats "excepts a man be born again, he shall not see the kingdom of God" (or heaven).
And, how are we born again? By accepting Christ into our hearts and repenting of our sins.:)
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."Qooroo

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

So good works are a requirement?

Hewkii

given that it's out of the Bible I would say yes.

No, that's not what I mean.:) It was talking about that, when we become Christians, when we help other people and serve other people it as unto the Lord.:)Crushmaster

Hold on just a minute. When Jesus said this, He was referring to Christians. Look at this verse:
(Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: {9} Not of works, lest any man should boast."
It is not by anything we have done - we don't deserve God's saving power.
But, if we accept His son into our hearts and repent of our sins, we will be saved!
(John 14:6) - "Jesus saith unto him; I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: No man cometh to the father (by what?) but by me."
Also, there is the verse thats "excepts a man be born again, he shall not see the kingdom of God" (or heaven).
And, how are we born again? By accepting Christ into our hearts and repenting of our sins.:)
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."Crushmaster

What Biblical basis do you have to present that he was referring to Christians? This is the direct quote from what he said:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." (emph. added)

Nowhere does he say "Christians" - he quite clearly says that everyone will be gathered and divided into two groups. He then goes on to say that the group that goes to heaven is the group that has performed good works for other people. No reference is made whatsoever to faith at all.

God gathers everyone around and sends those who performed good works to heaven. Quite frankly it doesn't get any more clear-cut than what's found in the verses that I quoted.

If "god" let me in, I'd probably have to slap him for being stupid.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

black_cat19

Religious discussion belongs here in the OT, preaching belongs in that Christian Witness Union of yours...

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Hold on just a minute. When Jesus said this, He was referring to Christians. Look at this verse:
(Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: {9} Not of works, lest any man should boast."
It is not by anything we have done - we don't deserve God's saving power.
But, if we accept His son into our hearts and repent of our sins, we will be saved!
(John 14:6) - "Jesus saith unto him; I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: No man cometh to the father (by what?) but by me."
Also, there is the verse thats "excepts a man be born again, he shall not see the kingdom of God" (or heaven).
And, how are we born again? By accepting Christ into our hearts and repenting of our sins.:)
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."GabuEx

What Biblical basis do you have to present that he was referring to Christians? This is the direct quote from what he said:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." (emph. added)

Nowhere does he say "Christians" - he quite clearly says that everyone will be gathered and divided into two groups. He then goes on to say that the group that goes to heaven is the group that has performed good works for other people. No reference is made whatsoever to faith at all.

God gathers everyone around and sends those who performed good works to heaven. Quite frankly it doesn't get any more clear-cut than what's found in the verses that I quoted.

Christians, many times, are referred to as sheep in the Bible, which is why God is called "The Great Shepherd". Thus, if sheep are the Christians, the only thing the goats could be are non-Christians.
(Matthew 25:33-34) - "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. {34} Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."Crushmaster

And then he goes on to say that the people he's talking about are the ones who did good works for other people, and that the people going to hell are those who did not do good works for other people.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

Silenthps

Religious discussion belongs here in the OT, preaching belongs in that Christian Witness Union of yours...

I didn't read through all of the topic... But that's not the point, it became very apparent from early on you people only wanted to shove this stuff down everyone else's throats, what do you hope to achieve, maybe convert a non-believer or two? Whatever it is this is not the place...

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Hold on just a minute. When Jesus said this, He was referring to Christians. Look at this verse:
(Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: {9} Not of works, lest any man should boast."
It is not by anything we have done - we don't deserve God's saving power.
But, if we accept His son into our hearts and repent of our sins, we will be saved!
(John 14:6) - "Jesus saith unto him; I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: No man cometh to the father (by what?) but by me."
Also, there is the verse thats "excepts a man be born again, he shall not see the kingdom of God" (or heaven).
And, how are we born again? By accepting Christ into our hearts and repenting of our sins.:)
(Romans 10:8-10) - "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; {9} That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. {10} For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."Crushmaster

What Biblical basis do you have to present that he was referring to Christians? This is the direct quote from what he said:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." (emph. added)

Nowhere does he say "Christians" - he quite clearly says that everyone will be gathered and divided into two groups. He then goes on to say that the group that goes to heaven is the group that has performed good works for other people. No reference is made whatsoever to faith at all.

God gathers everyone around and sends those who performed good works to heaven. Quite frankly it doesn't get any more clear-cut than what's found in the verses that I quoted.

I know I said that this topic is one big cluster****, but I feel I need to respond to your inane comment. You cannot lump all Christians together...there is no such thing as a perfect Christian. You're also making sweeping generalizations. That Matthew quote does not say, "And he shall set the sheep, Christians, on his right hand, but the goats, non-Christians, on the left".

Let me ask you something. Why do you think that the only people capable of doing something good are Christians?

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

black_cat19

Religious discussion belongs here in the OT, preaching belongs in that Christian Witness Union of yours...

I didn't read through all of the topic... But that's not the point, it became very apparent from early on you people only wanted to shove this stuff down everyone else's throats, what do you hope to achieve, maybe convert a non-believer or two? Whatever it is this is not the place...

Why? because I'm a mushroom cloud laying m****f***, m****f****.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

This whole thread is about crushmaster and his henchmen trying to preach us all to dead, they just won't stop throwing bible quotes around, and their only argument is "I'm right and you're wrong because the bible says so!".

There's a reason many of us don't go to church every sunday, and it's because we don't believe in this things and don't want them to be shoved down our throats until we start puking them left and right, oh sorry, I meant "preaching"...

Just let it die...

Silenthps

Religious discussion belongs here in the OT, preaching belongs in that Christian Witness Union of yours...

I didn't read through all of the topic... But that's not the point, it became very apparent from early on you people only wanted to shove this stuff down everyone else's throats, what do you hope to achieve, maybe convert a non-believer or two? Whatever it is this is not the place...

Well aren't you a smart ***? I just said I didn't read all of it...

wow this thread. i was just watching videos about doomsday before i seen this thread.. 1012 doomsday. 21 Dec
check these videos out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99f6BBLX8e0 thats bible stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQsLLOYC7Q heres science stuff, worlds aligning

war? may be world war 3 start? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keoQcPkGVfc also adding the US vs iraq wariamshivy

He predicted that on 8-8-08 would be the date Russia starts some kind of conflict that would lead to WW3. The vid was posted on 7-7-07

I believe God should let me into heaven because I live my life following his commandments and I am one of the very few genuinely nice people in this world. I have never gotten into a physical fight, I never turned anyone away from God, and I try to live life the best I can so that the world could be a better place. I also never cause people any pain, physically or mentally for my own enjoyment and I always forgive all the people who have done me wrong.

All I can hope for is that God is proud of me and that he accepts and loves me even with my imperfections.

Because I slit my wrists for the sins of man.KrisG7

that raises the question, if one should kill babies, would they count as a "sinless" sacrifice?

[QUOTE="KrisG7"]Because I slit my wrists for the sins of man.Hewkii

that raises the question, if one should kill babies, would they count as a "sinless" sacrifice?

"[Talking about an eleven year old girl who was raped and then buried alive]

god was sacrificing this child as a way to show others the light. much as he did his own child. what a beautiful gift he has given us. "

Well, the fundies seem to think so.... :|

Whats with this trend of the christians on this board having a martyr complex?

"I don't deserve to go to heaven, I have sinned against God."

I would have said that you have serious self esteem problems, but the more I see it, The more I've come to realise that actually you hold yourself in incredibly high regard and by saying that, you are trying to score brownie points with the other posters, trying to make them think "gosh, he's brave."

As to the whole repenting on the deathbed topic....

It's cowardice. It is you saying that you regret all of your life. It's the very last gamble in your life, just on the off chance that the bible is true. The final throw of the dice, a win-win situation. It's plain out cowardice and I think that sticking to my values is more important that appeasing a deity that may or may not exist.

Im Muslim and yes i believe in heaven so i go with other

Well if you don't get into Heaven, you go to a place full of fire, smoke, anguish, and torture where you will be sent to suffer, cry, and scream forever... But God loves you.

5 internet dollars for whoever figures out who says that one.
Lord_Omikron666

George Carlin - Religion is ********.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]Well if you don't get into Heaven, you go to a place full of fire, smoke, anguish, and torture where you will be sent to suffer, cry, and scream forever... But God loves you.

5 internet dollars for whoever figures out who says that one.
jim1029

George Carlin - Religion is ********.

Im Muslim and yes i believe in heaven so i go with other

freshgman

Just because you believe in heaven, doesnt mean you are justified, the only way you are justified is through jesus christ, believing in his words, and faith in jesus christ alone. The muslim faith is unbiblical, you are following the broad way to hell.

You say that he was just a man, but he surely claimed that he was the son of god, if he wasnt, he would be a heretic, not just a prophet. If you deny his son, he will deny you.

The thing is allah isnt really god, allah is the pagan moon god http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm, allah does not mean god, it means allah, which is another god.

I am not trying to offend muslims, but to inform on the fact that allah isnt really god, he is a false god, muhammed is a false prophet.

People send themselves to hell, god isnt going to force you to love him, so if you dont though, then you will be guilty of sin. There is nothing cowardly about admitting that you are a sinner, and trusting your life to jesus. That is a rediculous arguement, no one has to go to hell, people go there, but that is their fault. That is gods wrath, because they never repented, they hated god in their hearts, and so they chose ultimately death. But, all you really have to do is acknowledge your sins, accept jesus, and you will be granted eternal life. Also freedom from your sins, all you have to do is believe. No rituals, no traditions, just faith alone.

The only reason why god should let you in heaven is if you followed his way which is through jesus christ, loving god, and repenting of your sins. You also have to turn away from sins, by then you have been justified through jesus christ, he won't see any evidence of your sins because jesus christ took your sins away, and he will want you in to his kingdom, which he wants everyone to inherit.

Aint so bad at all is it?)

[QUOTE="freshgman"]

Im Muslim and yes i believe in heaven so i go with other

SegaGenesisfan

Just because you believe in heaven, doesnt mean you are justified, the only way you are justified is through jesus christ, believing in his words, and faith in jesus christ alone. The muslim faith is unbiblical, you are following the broad way to hell.

You say that he was just a man, but he surely claimed that he was the son of god, if he wasnt, he would be a heretic, not just a prophet. If you deny his son, he will deny you.

The thing is allah isnt really god, allah is the pagan moon god http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm, allah does not mean god, it means allah, which is another god.

I am not trying to offend muslims, but to inform on the fact that allah isnt really god, he is a false god, muhammed is a false prophet.

People send themselves to hell, god isnt going to force you to love him, so if you dont though, then you will be guilty of sin. There is nothing cowardly about admitting that you are a sinner, and trusting your life to jesus. That is a rediculous arguement, no one has to go to hell, people go there, but that is their fault. That is gods wrath, because they never repented, they hated god in their hearts, and so they chose ultimately death. But, all you really have to do is acknowledge your sins, accept jesus, and you will be granted eternal life. Also freedom from your sins, all you have to do is believe. No rituals, no traditions, just faith alone.

The only reason why god should let you in heaven is if you followed his way which is through jesus christ, loving god, and repenting of your sins. You also have to turn away from sins, by then you have been justified through jesus christ, he won't see any evidence of your sins because jesus christ took your sins away, and he will want you in to his kingdom, which he wants everyone to inherit.

Aint so bad at all is it?)

Give it a rest. It's belief, mate. I too am a muslim and just as you find Islam wrong, I find Chrisianity wrong. You are judging Islam in the light of Bible, not realising that according to Islamic Belief Bible has been corrupted.

Anyways, the pagan moon god and Allah claim has been refuted countless times by me(just search the forums). To answer in 2 lines, the very name Allah refutes your claim. Allah is a word derived from Al-Ilah, which means "The One God".

Oh and Btw, just stick to the topic and please don't try to make this a Christian versus Muslim thread. A piece of advice: stop believing everything on the internet (obviius from you posting of anti-islamic site, and forwarding that claim without research).

And to TC, I am not sure wther I would go to heaven. But if I do, it may be because I donot do good for greed of heaven but rather for the sake of good itself.

The thing is allah isnt really god, allah is the pagan moon god http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm, allah does not mean god, it means allah, which is another god.

SegaGenesisfan

how do you say "God" in Arabic, then?

[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

The thing is allah isnt really god, allah is the pagan moon god http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm, allah does not mean god, it means allah, which is another god.

Hewkii

how do you say "God" in Arabic, then?

Infact even the coptic christians and christians in Arabia (of Arabic Descent) call God, Allah.

[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]I am not trying to offend muslims, but to inform on the fact that allah isnt really god, he is a false god, muhammed is a false prophet. Qooroo

Yeah. A poor excuse for a Christian. lol