Why Should I Vote for Obama?

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="halfirishhomer"]Hospitals are going bankrupt in California because of the 14 million illegals who get free health care. Now imagine if all 300 million americans had free health care. Theokhoth

what!?! first of all you have to qualify, and one of the key factors is being an american citizen so what you said doesnt make ANY sense.

Illegal Immigrants cannot be denied health care.

Why not?

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

no one said you had too...but his first act as President would sign for free health care, which is something the US really needs.

-Austin-

That "free" health care would be paid for with the money of the rich, who already pay the vast majority of the nation's taxes.

Yeah, the rich is really hurting for cash. God forbid a small portion of their money helps people who can't afford health insurance.

Their money ALREADY GOES to paying the taxes of many people. Do you have any idea how high taxes would go if the rich were no longer taxed as much as they are?

And it's not "a little of their money," but a good chunk of their paycheck. That they earned, with the sweat off their backs.

Sweat off their backs? Who says the upper class works any harder than the lower class?

I work in a factory..purely blue collar. I understand how much effort it takes to get the education that most of the successful in this country have worked through. I won't be pandered to by the left. I know that my job is a measure of the effort I've made in life. I take responsibility for myself and don't think the rich should give me their money. They got the education and had that drive for success in life. It's their money. They earned it.

Some people are born poor and can't afford the education needed to be rich.

Opportunity is there for all.

Absolutley false.

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="halfirishhomer"]Hospitals are going bankrupt in California because of the 14 million illegals who get free health care. Now imagine if all 300 million americans had free health care. -Austin-

what!?! first of all you have to qualify, and one of the key factors is being an american citizen so what you said doesnt make ANY sense.

Illegal Immigrants cannot be denied health care.

Why not?

Damned if I know.

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

Trashface

Congratulations to your accomplishments, but I don't see how that means opportunity is there for "all".

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

no one said you had too...but his first act as President would sign for free health care, which is something the US really needs.

Trashface

That "free" health care would be paid for with the money of the rich, who already pay the vast majority of the nation's taxes.

Yeah, the rich is really hurting for cash. God forbid a small portion of their money helps people who can't afford health insurance.

Their money ALREADY GOES to paying the taxes of many people. Do you have any idea how high taxes would go if the rich were no longer taxed as much as they are?

And it's not "a little of their money," but a good chunk of their paycheck. That they earned, with the sweat off their backs.

Sweat off their backs? Who says the upper class works any harder than the lower class?

I work in a factory..purely blue collar. I understand how much effort it takes to get the education that most of the successful in this country have worked through. I won't be pandered to by the left. I know that my job is a measure of the effort I've made in life. I take responsibility for myself and don't think the rich should give me their money. They got the education and had that drive for success in life. It's their money. They earned it.

Some people are born poor and can't afford the education needed to be rich.

Opportunity is there for all.

Absolutley false.

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

Do you have any idea what the public schools in inner-cities look like?

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

tbone29

Congratulations to your accomplishments, but I don't see how that means opportunity is there for "all".

Barack Obama himself should be proof that there is opportunity for all. He was born and raised in a dirt-poor part of society and yet he's now running for the first black president after becoming a Senator of Illinois.

Everyone should be treated as equals.

Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve their goals.

Not just the select few that make over 250k a year.

All of us.

Obama will...(listen now) CUT TAXES for 95% of working middle class families.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="halfirishhomer"]Hospitals are going bankrupt in California because of the 14 million illegals who get free health care. Now imagine if all 300 million americans had free health care. Theokhoth

what!?! first of all you have to qualify, and one of the key factors is being an american citizen so what you said doesnt make ANY sense.

Illegal Immigrants cannot be denied health care.

Why not?

Damned if I know.

We should just build a fence. It will pay off in the long run.

We should just build a fence. It will pay off in the long run.

-Austin-

'Tis a shame Obama opposes the idea.:D

Anyway, we should kick illegal immigrants out, give the ones with children an opportunity to stay, build a large wall across the border, and try to fix up the qualifications for coming to this country. Not just handing out a free pass to criminals.

Everyone should be treated as equals.

Socialism opposes this. Taxing the rich more money just because htey make more money is not treating them as equals.

Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve their goals.

And they do. But they have to work for it.

Not just the select few that make over 250k a year.

I don't make over 250K a year, yet I can achieve some of my goals.

All of us.

Obama will...(listen now) CUT TAXES for 95% of working middle ****families.

Suuuuure.

Rikusaki

Great post Theokhoth.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

on the contrary, there is absolutely no policy reason to vote for mccain. he get most of his votes because he is a white pro life christian.

and i really hate it when people whine about the rich paying more taxes. it's for the greater good. yes sometimes federal money is abused but for the most part it goes to a good cause like schools or national defense.

rich people SHOULD have to pay more taxes. there's no reason why they should get tax cuts over the middle ****

mistervengeance

Rich people already pay a large amount of their money for taxes. They pay almost 80% of the country's taxes. Now Obama wants to take their earned money, a violation of human rights, and give it to someone else.

... lol. if you honestly believe that. i really have no hope left for america

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Constitution say I have the right to property?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Everyone should be treated as equals.

Socialism opposes this. Taxing the rich more money just because htey make more money is not treating them as equals.

At least it's more fair than taxing the poor more than the rich.

Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve their goals.

And they do. But they have to work for it.

Of course they do! But some people can't pull themselves up with their bootstraps if they don't even hove boots to begin with. (education)

Not just the select few that make over 250k a year.

I don't make over 250K a year, yet I can achieve some of my goals.

I was talking about tax cuts and Preimium Heath Care.

All of us.

Obama will...(listen now) CUT TAXES for 95% of working middle ****families.

Suuuuure.

Do you seriously think Obama is LYING about this? It's in his policy books. I suggest you read it. NOW.

Theokhoth

While I certainly don't support Obama I do admire his strong pro-choice stance on abortion. I see no reason why we should be forcing hospitals to care for infants who survive abortions, especially if said hospitals are private.espoac

That stance is sick and inhuman.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Everyone should be treated as equals.

Socialism opposes this. Taxing the rich more money just because htey make more money is not treating them as equals.

At least it's more fair than taxing the poor more than the rich.

The rich pay more taxes than the poor.

Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve their goals.

And they do. But they have to work for it.

Of course they do! But some people can't pull themselves up with their bootstraps if they don't even hove boots to begin with. (education)

Then they'd better get an education.

Not just the select few that make over 250k a year.

I don't make over 250K a year, yet I can achieve some of my goals.

I was talking about tax cuts and Preimium Heath Care.

So was I.

All of us.

Obama will...(listen now) CUT TAXES for 95% of working middle ****families.

Suuuuure.

Do you seriously think Obama is LYING about this? It's in his policy books. I suggest you read it. NOW.

Outline his policies for me, with sources. I'm not reading a book to find out the policies of a damn presidential candidate.

Rikusaki

you shouldntH8sMikeMoore

Thanks for the input....

I commend you, good sir. That post was excellent. Little to no opinion, many facts, and proof to back all of them up. You deserve a giant cookie. *hands TC a giant cookie*.

How anyone could put their complete faith in Obama after reading that is beyond me.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

no one said you had too...but his first act as President would sign for free health care, which is something the US really needs.

-Austin-

That "free" health care would be paid for with the money of the rich, who already pay the vast majority of the nation's taxes.

Yeah, the rich is really hurting for cash. God forbid a small portion of their money helps people who can't afford health insurance.

Their money ALREADY GOES to paying the taxes of many people. Do you have any idea how high taxes would go if the rich were no longer taxed as much as they are?

And it's not "a little of their money," but a good chunk of their paycheck. That they earned, with the sweat off their backs.

Sweat off their backs? Who says the upper class works any harder than the lower class?

I work in a factory..purely blue collar. I understand how much effort it takes to get the education that most of the successful in this country have worked through. I won't be pandered to by the left. I know that my job is a measure of the effort I've made in life. I take responsibility for myself and don't think the rich should give me their money. They got the education and had that drive for success in life. It's their money. They earned it.

Some people are born poor and can't afford the education needed to be rich.

Opportunity is there for all.

Absolutley false.

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

Do you have any idea what the public schools in inner-cities look like?

Whats that matter? I was a hoodlum in constant trouble. I got suspended. I dropped out of high school. I got my GED and a grant and went to college. Opportunity is there for all.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

tbone29

Congratulations to your accomplishments, but I don't see how that means opportunity is there for "all".

Because I did not come from money. I was a very troubled kid. Still, I put forth the effort and got a grant. The people who don't succeed don't put forth the effort. You just eat the leftist propaganda.

You keep pulling the tax card. You know what tax is right? Its money you pay to live here in america, think of it like paying rent. your not forced to pay for free healthcare and to advance public schooling they are. Why should the "rich" pay more then the poor? well its because they can afford to. For example lets say We have joe and Jane living in america, and lets say joe makes $50 a year while jane makes $100. Then lets say tax for both is $30(yes the numbers are a bit extreme but its to get a point across) this means Joe will only have $20 to live off of while Jane has $70. as you can see, Joe is poorly accomidated and is forced to struggle.However lets say The tax for joe was only $15 while it was still $30 for Jane, they would both only loose 30% of their paycheck and they both have money to spare and keep afloat as apposed to an umbalance like before. Now your probablly thinking, why should Joe be acomidated while Jane stays the same, Jane earned her money why should she spend more. Well the theory behind this one is due to money situations in the past and not being able to afford collage Joe is stuck. Now if Jane helps Joe then Joe and Jane can(in later generations) help Jim. See where Im getting at with this?

'

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

no one said you had too...but his first act as President would sign for free health care, which is something the US really needs.

Trashface

That "free" health care would be paid for with the money of the rich, who already pay the vast majority of the nation's taxes.

Yeah, the rich is really hurting for cash. God forbid a small portion of their money helps people who can't afford health insurance.

Their money ALREADY GOES to paying the taxes of many people. Do you have any idea how high taxes would go if the rich were no longer taxed as much as they are?

And it's not "a little of their money," but a good chunk of their paycheck. That they earned, with the sweat off their backs.

Sweat off their backs? Who says the upper class works any harder than the lower class?

I work in a factory..purely blue collar. I understand how much effort it takes to get the education that most of the successful in this country have worked through. I won't be pandered to by the left. I know that my job is a measure of the effort I've made in life. I take responsibility for myself and don't think the rich should give me their money. They got the education and had that drive for success in life. It's their money. They earned it.

Some people are born poor and can't afford the education needed to be rich.

Opportunity is there for all.

Absolutley false.

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

Do you have any idea what the public schools in inner-cities look like?

Whats that matter? I was a hoodlum in constant trouble. I got suspended. I dropped out of high school. I got my GED and a grant and went to college. Opportunity is there for all.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Why not quote the rest? As I said, I was not born into money and yet when I put forth the effort, I got a grant and went to college. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR ALL

tbone29

Congratulations to your accomplishments, but I don't see how that means opportunity is there for "all".

Because I did not come from money. I was a very troubled kid. Still, I put forth the effort and got a grant. The people who don't succeed don't put forth the effort. You just eat the leftist propaganda.

Leftist propaganda? Yeah, we are out to steal all your money....

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Everyone should be treated as equals.

Socialism opposes this. Taxing the rich more money just because htey make more money is not treating them as equals.

At least it's more fair than taxing the poor more than the rich.

The rich pay more taxes than the poor.

Proof? I heard that the Rich are getting tax cuts.

Everyone should have the opportunity to achieve their goals.

And they do. But they have to work for it.

Of course they do! But some people can't pull themselves up with their bootstraps if they don't even hove boots to begin with. (education)

Then they'd better get an education.

How can they if they can't afford it.

Not just the select few that make over 250k a year.

I don't make over 250K a year, yet I can achieve some of my goals.

I was talking about tax cuts and Preimium Heath Care.

So was I.

Some people can't achieve their goals because they can't afford education.

If you are born into poverty, tough luck.

Can't afford healthcare? Tough.

Mothers dying of cancer with no coverage? Ah, just let her die.

All of us.

Obama will...(listen now) CUT TAXES for 95% of working middle ****families.

Suuuuure.

Do you seriously think Obama is LYING about this? It's in his policy books. I suggest you read it. NOW.

Outline his policies for me, with sources. I'm not reading a book to find out the policies of a damn presidential candidate.

He said it in his speech at the convention:

"I will cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle ****" he said.

SOURCE

Theokhoth

You keep pulling the tax card. You know what tax is right? Its money you pay to live here in america, think of it like paying rent. your not forced to pay for free healthcare and to advance public schooling they are. Why should the "rich" pay more then the poor? well its because they can afford to. For example lets say We have joe and Jane living in america, and lets say joe makes $50 a year while jane makes $100. Then lets say tax for both is $30(yes the numbers are a bit extreme but its to get a point across) this means Joe will only have $20 to live off of while Jane has $70. as you can see, Joe is poorly accomidated and is forced to struggle.However lets say The tax for joe was only $15 while it was still $30 for Jane, they would both only loose 30% of their paycheck and they both have money to spare and keep afloat as apposed to an umbalance like before. Now your probablly thinking, why should Joe be acomidated while Jane stays the same, Jane earned her money why should she spend more. Well the theory behind this one is due to money situations in the past and not being able to afford collage Joe is stuck. Now if Jane helps Joe then Joe and Jane can(in later generations) help Jim. See where Im getting at with this?

sparkypants

The second example is how taxes actually work, The rich get taxed higher percentage rates than the poor.

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

Because I did not come from money. I was a very troubled kid. Still, I put forth the effort and got a grant. The people who don't succeed don't put forth the effort. You just eat the leftist propaganda.

Trashface

My ass. I see first hand this so-called "leftist propaganda" and know this opportunity for all nonsense sprouts simply from being naive.

Some people pour just as much, if not more, into this country as do those who are well off and still don't make it. Then the ones that do, can only manage to live paycheck to paycheck to support a family.

You keep pulling the tax card. You know what tax is right? Its money you pay to live here in america, think of it like paying rent. your not forced to pay for free healthcare and to advance public schooling they are. Why should the "rich" pay more then the poor? well its because they can afford to. For example lets say We have joe and Jane living in america, and lets say joe makes $50 a year while jane makes $100. Then lets say tax for both is $30(yes the numbers are a bit extreme but its to get a point across) this means Joe will only have $20 to live off of while Jane has $70. as you can see, Joe is poorly accomidated and is forced to struggle.However lets say The tax for joe was only $15 while it was still $30 for Jane, they would both only loose 30% of their paycheck and they both have money to spare and keep afloat as apposed to an umbalance like before. Now your probablly thinking, why should Joe be acomidated while Jane stays the same, Jane earned her money why should she spend more. Well the theory behind this one is due to money situations in the past and not being able to afford collage Joe is stuck. Now if Jane helps Joe then Joe and Jane can(in later generations) help Jim. See where Im getting at with this?

'

sparkypants

Actually you're wrong. Tax is paying for services. Not rent. The government does NOT own the land. The government is supposed to be us, not another entity that rules the country over the citizens.

Proof? I heard that the Rich are getting tax cuts.

They are. They still pay 80% of the country's taxes. This is addressed in the OP.

How can they if they can't afford it.

They can always afford it. It is legally required to get one, up until college (you can get a job even as a high school dropout). They can even homeschool, for crying out loud.

Some people can't achieve their goals because they can't afford education.

Yes they can.

If you are born into poverty, tough luck.

Obama was born into poverty. Look at him now.

Can't afford healthcare? Tough.

Make healthcare cheaper, then.

Mothers dying of cancer with no coverage? Ah, just let her die.

Strawman.

He said it in his speech at the convention:

"I will cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle ****" he said.

SOURCE

Good. Now show me how this is feasible in the real world.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="espoac"]While I certainly don't support Obama I do admire his strong pro-choice stance on abortion. I see no reason why we should be forcing hospitals to care for infants who survive abortions, especially if said hospitals are private.Theokhoth

That stance is sick and inhuman.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="espoac"]While I certainly don't support Obama I do admire his strong pro-choice stance on abortion. I see no reason why we should be forcing hospitals to care for infants who survive abortions, especially if said hospitals are private.espoac

That stance is sick and inhuman.

You have misunderstood. Live Birth Abortions allow to die BORN babies.

Even by a legal sense, it is infanticide.

On unborn babies, I see a reason to give them the Right to Life: because no man, woman, child or court has the right to limit what is and what is not a human based on preconceived philosophy.

You keep pulling the tax card. You know what tax is right? Its money you pay to live here in america, think of it like paying rent. your not forced to pay for free healthcare and to advance public schooling they are. Why should the "rich" pay more then the poor? well its because they can afford to. For example lets say We have joe and Jane living in america, and lets say joe makes $50 a year while jane makes $100. Then lets say tax for both is $30(yes the numbers are a bit extreme but its to get a point across) this means Joe will only have $20 to live off of while Jane has $70. as you can see, Joe is poorly accomidated and is forced to struggle.However lets say The tax for joe was only $15 while it was still $30 for Jane, they would both only loose 30% of their paycheck and they both have money to spare and keep afloat as apposed to an umbalance like before. Now your probablly thinking, why should Joe be acomidated while Jane stays the same, Jane earned her money why should she spend more. Well the theory behind this one is due to money situations in the past and not being able to afford collage Joe is stuck. Now if Jane helps Joe then Joe and Jane can(in later generations) help Jim. See where Im getting at with this?

sparkypants

I have an even BETTER idea: Don't tax their incomes, just have a sales tax.

Joe: Makes $50. He has enough to buy food and pay house rent. Food is not taxed and his house is barely taxed. He gets along fine.

Jane: Makes $100. He has plenty to buy food and housing, so he buys a boat. But, when he does so, he pays $20 (exagerated, of course) sales tax.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Proof? I heard that the Rich are getting tax cuts.

They are. They still pay 80% of the country's taxes. This is addressed in the OP.

How can they if they can't afford it.

They can always afford it. It is legally required to get one, up until college (you can get a job even as a high school dropout). They can even homeschool, for crying out loud.

Some people can't achieve their goals because they can't afford education.

Yes they can.

What if their goals requires a Colledge Education? >_> Some ppl dream big.

If you are born into poverty, tough luck.

Obama was born into poverty. Look at him now.

That's because he was lucky. Not everyone can be like him.

Can't afford healthcare? Tough.

Make healthcare cheaper, then.

Exactly. Affordable quality healtcare accessible to all.

Mothers dying of cancer with no coverage? Ah, just let her die.

Strawman.

?_? i dont get that lol.

He said it in his speech at the convention:

"I will cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle ****" he said.

SOURCE

Good. Now show me how this is feasible in the real world.

It's fair.

Theokhoth

What if their goals requires a Colledge Education? >_> Some ppl dream big.

Then they should get a job so they can afford college education. Look for scholarship grants. FAFSA.

That's because he was lucky. Not everyone can be like him.

Obama himself would tell you luck had nothing to do with it, and he would probably be insulted by the statement. He worked hard. Everyone can work hard. Some of them choose not to.

Exactly. Affordable quality healtcare accessible to all.

But not socialist healthcare.

?_? i dont get that lol.

I never said I supported that.

It's fair.

Not to the rich. And the real world tends to not be very fair.

Rikusaki

i agree entirely and wholeheartedly with Theokhoth. A human is technically "born" when it is originally concieved, not when it leaves the womb. it is already alive! There are a few meager reasons to go pro-abortion, but regular common-sense overrides these. It is a sick stance to take, giving some people the power over another's right to exist.

Look at how the nazis would euthanize cripples and retards because they just didn't want to care for them. America has been based off of the exact opposite ideals (amongst many other morals): that everyone desserves a chance. THat's one of the reasons they have adoption agencies and places for those unwanted babies to go - so that they don't have to die!

That's because he was lucky. Not everyone can be like him.

Rikusaki

How does luck play a role into making money. Did he win some lottery that I am not aware of?

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

You keep pulling the tax card. You know what tax is right? Its money you pay to live here in america, think of it like paying rent. your not forced to pay for free healthcare and to advance public schooling they are. Why should the "rich" pay more then the poor? well its because they can afford to. For example lets say We have joe and Jane living in america, and lets say joe makes $50 a year while jane makes $100. Then lets say tax for both is $30(yes the numbers are a bit extreme but its to get a point across) this means Joe will only have $20 to live off of while Jane has $70. as you can see, Joe is poorly accomidated and is forced to struggle.However lets say The tax for joe was only $15 while it was still $30 for Jane, they would both only loose 30% of their paycheck and they both have money to spare and keep afloat as apposed to an umbalance like before. Now your probablly thinking, why should Joe be acomidated while Jane stays the same, Jane earned her money why should she spend more. Well the theory behind this one is due to money situations in the past and not being able to afford collage Joe is stuck. Now if Jane helps Joe then Joe and Jane can(in later generations) help Jim. See where Im getting at with this?

DOS4dinner

I have an even BETTER idea: Don't tax their incomes, just have a sales tax.

Joe: Makes $50. He has enough to buy food and pay house rent. Food is not taxed and his house is barely taxed. He gets along fine.

Jane: Makes $100. He has plenty to buy food and housing, so he buys a boat. But, when he does so, he pays $20 (exagerated, of course) sales tax.

Makes perfect sense to me.

There are sales taxes as well and I agree with you, but no one that I know of is proposing this(just sales tax alone) :( its a shame too because it makes perfect sense

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="espoac"]While I certainly don't support Obama I do admire his strong pro-choice stance on abortion. I see no reason why we should be forcing hospitals to care for infants who survive abortions, especially if said hospitals are private.Theokhoth

That stance is sick and inhuman.

You have misunderstood. Live Birth Abortions allow to die BORN babies.

Even by a legal sense, it is infanticide.

On unborn babies, I see a reason to give them the Right to Life: because no man, woman, child or court has the right to limit what is and what is not a human based on preconceived philosophy.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

As I understand it the Born Alive Infant Protection Act only applies to infants have been subject to failed abortions. If abortion is legal and we view it as a medical procedure then I see no reason why if this particular procedure fails we can't go back and properly carry it out.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

espoac

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act supports keeping alive babies born, even though their mothers attempted an abortion. It used to be that they were left to die.

I don't know what thread you're talking about. Sorry. And school has started recently, so I'm not on as much anymore.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

That's because he was lucky. Not everyone can be like him.

Xx_CYC756_xX

How does luck play a role into making money. Did he win some lottery that I am not aware of?

yep!

this magical thing helped him cuz he was so freaking hawt.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

Because I did not come from money. I was a very troubled kid. Still, I put forth the effort and got a grant. The people who don't succeed don't put forth the effort. You just eat the leftist propaganda.

tbone29

My ass. I see first hand this so-called "leftist propaganda" and know this opportunity for all nonsense sprouts simply from being naive.

Some people pour just as much, if not more, into this country as do those who are well off and still don't make it. Then the ones that do, can only manage to live paycheck to paycheck to support a family.

I live paycheck to paycheck. As I said, I was a drop out. I got my GED. I got a grant. I finished some semesters. I know if I wanted, I could get another grant just like everyone else can. I don't put forth the effort, so I live paycheck to paycheck. The naive are the ones fooled into thinking they need the government to succeed. I'm talking from experience as the middle/ lower class.

[QUOTE="Xx_CYC756_xX"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

That's because he was lucky. Not everyone can be like him.

Rikusaki

How does luck play a role into making money. Did he win some lottery that I am not aware of?

yep!

this magical thing helped him cuz he was so freaking hawt.

You've just crossed the threshold from "obsessed" into "scary.":|

As I understand it the Born Alive Infant Protection Act only applies to infants have been subject to failed abortions. If abortion is legal and we view it as a medical procedure then I see no reason why if this particular procedure fails we can't go back and properly carry it out.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

espoac

[QUOTE="espoac"]As I understand it the Born Alive Infant Protection Act only applies to infants have been subject to failed abortions. If abortion is legal and we view it as a medical procedure then I see no reason why if this particular procedure fails we can't go back and properly carry it out.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

Trashface

[QUOTE="espoac"]As I understand it the Born Alive Infant Protection Act only applies to infants have been subject to failed abortions. If abortion is legal and we view it as a medical procedure then I see no reason why if this particular procedure fails we can't go back and properly carry it out.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

Theokhoth

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act supports keeping alive babies born, even though their mothers attempted an abortion. It used to be that they were left to die.

I don't know what thread you're talking about. Sorry. And school has started recently, so I'm not on as much anymore.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="espoac"]As I understand it the Born Alive Infant Protection Act only applies to infants have been subject to failed abortions. If abortion is legal and we view it as a medical procedure then I see no reason why if this particular procedure fails we can't go back and properly carry it out.

And where did I say anything about limiting what is and isn't human? I don't deny that the sperm and egg cell joined together is human, I merely contest as to whether it deserves the rights that we all enjoy.

By the way, Theo, you never did respond to me in that thread on atheism a few days back.

espoac

I thought the pro abortion argument was that a fetus was not alive. If a babt is actually born, there is no doubt that it is alive, therefore nullifying the defense of abortion. Killing a born baby is nothing less than sick, cold hearted infanticide.

The law does not deem it worthless. The law says a woman has the right to abort a fetus since it doesnt view the fetus as being alive. There is no doubt that a born baby is alive. In a way, you're right. It's sick and horrible that the law views life as worthless. Hopefully, the right president will change that.

Theokhoth, you have earned your place beside H8sMikeMoore as the other most politically knowledgable individual on Gamespot. I salute you, and if I were a woman, I'd have your babies.:DZentrenius

Correction. If men were able to have babies and you also felt that way then he'd have your babies.

[QUOTE="Zentrenius"]Theokhoth, you have earned your place beside H8sMikeMoore as the other most politically knowledgable individual on Gamespot. I salute you, and if I were a woman, I'd have your babies.:Dedgewalker16

Correction. If men were able to have babies and you also felt that way then he'd have your babies.

No way in hell would I ever have babies.:| He can have my babies or he can get the Pill.

Best...topic...ever.famicommander

Agreed. All of Obama's fanboys won't know WTH to do with all those links! :D Good job Theo. :)