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#1 99RanchMarket
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Why support communism/socialism when it will never ever work.  My school even created a club for it -.-.  I don't see how people can support that crap.
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#2 proctorsurf
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why do you support capitalism?
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#3 ericgold3k
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I don't like them commiess....
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#4 Happyphilter
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they are dumb forms of government dont worry about it. they probabaly support it becasue they dont know better.
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#5 leandra12
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I like communism, because people are so afraid of it. Fear=power ;)

But I guess people are getting tired of a capitalist society...

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#6 deactivated-58e533ed44b01
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some people are idealistic.

 

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#7 Hexum-311
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Why support the republican party?

People believe in causes. 

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#8 cpo335
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why do you support capitalism?proctorsurf
Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.
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#9 Chloroformality
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why do you support capitalism?proctorsurf

I like owning what I actually own, not sharing its ownership with the government. 

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#10 Sharvie
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I like communism, because people are so afraid of it. Fear=power ;)

But I guess people are getting tired of a capitalist society...

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Intriguing logic. :P 

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#11 Happyphilter
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i support democracy becsaue it gives everyone a chance, although some do have to work harder.

Communism is a failed idea. if a doctor is paid as much as a painter nobodys gonna want to be a doctor(atleast not try to be a good one) pure communism works great in theory but not in practice. and socialism? you gotta be joking.

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#12 Hexum-311
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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?cpo335
Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it. 

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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Hexum-311

Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it. 

Yeah, until you get killed. And trust me, if someone doesn't like your pinion, they will probably kill you.
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#14 Hexum-311
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i support democracy becsaue it gives everyone a chance, although some do have to work harder.

Communism is a failed idea. if a doctor is paid as much as a painter nobodys gonna want to be a doctor(atleast not try to be a good one) pure communism works great in theory but not in practice. and socialism? you gotta be joking.

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In other words, monetary rewards are greater than the rewards of benefitting the life of an individual. 

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#15 Hexum-311
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[QUOTE="Hexum-311"]

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?cpo335

Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it.

Yeah, until you get killed. And trust me, if someone doesn't like your pinion, they will probably kill you.

I'd like to see them try :) 

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I support socialism. Socialist economic programs can be used to help with many problems within socioty that other wise go ignored an a continued problem......most importantly, crime and poverty.....

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#17 _Colossus_
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Communism sounds good on paper, the only flaw is the human. So-called communist states has never been anywhere near true communism. Not the Soviet Union, not China, not N. Korea, not Vietnam and not Cuba. Nobody....

Nothing closer then social-democracy is safe. Which I'm a supporter of.
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Communism works... but only if it is not run by a dictatorship...
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#19 Chloroformality
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Communism and Socialism are two different things.

Communism shares the common wealth with everyone in the society, Socialism shares the publicly owned economy with the government.

 

A lot of people don't realize that Japan is a Socialist government. Their trades, exports, imports, and small business are overseen by the government, restricting certain free-minded ideas among cerain business, mainly entertainment and technological.

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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hexum-311"]

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Hexum-311

Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it.

Yeah, until you get killed. And trust me, if someone doesn't like your pinion, they will probably kill you.

I'd like to see them try :) 

I could do it. Seriously, I could if I really wanted to. Imagine, when the gov't goes, so do all the laws. People will grab whatever weapon and kill/injuir(sp) anyone they hate. And I'm guessing people hate you, not everyone is reserved as me or you.
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#21 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Chloroformality

I like owning what I actually own, not sharing its ownership with the government. 

universal ownership is more or less a myth......no communist or socialist would ever support a flat pay or system of sharing if they have an understading of the social and economics involved....
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#22 yoshi-lnex
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i support democracy becsaue it gives everyone a chance, although some do have to work harder.

Communism is a failed idea. if a doctor is paid as much as a painter nobodys gonna want to be a doctor(atleast not try to be a good one) pure communism works great in theory but not in practice. and socialism? you gotta be joking.

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I don't think you understand what socialism or communism are, neither one contradicts the idea of democracy, people just get this misconception becouse china and the ussr under stalanism did not support universal suffrege, and no communist or socialist I know supports a flat pay system, it's just propaganda used as an attack,
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#23 Childish_Spot
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why do you support capitalism?proctorsurf

 

because it works. 

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GG12ism ensures that I have complete and total power. Oh yes, and nobody's happy.
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#25 Sandro909
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Don't bunch them together like that. Communism > Socialism.
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#26 Hexum-311
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[QUOTE="Hexum-311"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hexum-311"]

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?cpo335

Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it.

Yeah, until you get killed. And trust me, if someone doesn't like your pinion, they will probably kill you.

I'd like to see them try :)

I could do it. Seriously, I could if I really wanted to. Imagine, when the gov't goes, so do all the laws. People will grab whatever weapon and kill/injuir(sp) anyone they hate. And I'm guessing people hate you, not everyone is reserved as me or you.

My brothers on my commune would watch over me as I would watch over them. 

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#27 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Childish_Spot

 

because it works. 

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers
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[QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

Cry me a river.

My dad's from Costa Rica and he's successful. 

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#29 quiglythegreat
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Why support communism/socialism when it will never ever work. My school even created a club for it -.-. I don't see how people can support that crap.99RanchMarket
Well, we kind of live in a socialism anyway. Communism does exist quite succesfully in Israel.
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hexum-311"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hexum-311"]

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Hexum-311

Okay, you can live in anarchy and see how you like it.

I would love it.

Yeah, until you get killed. And trust me, if someone doesn't like your pinion, they will probably kill you.

I'd like to see them try :)

I could do it. Seriously, I could if I really wanted to. Imagine, when the gov't goes, so do all the laws. People will grab whatever weapon and kill/injuir(sp) anyone they hate. And I'm guessing people hate you, not everyone is reserved as me or you.

My brothers on my commune would watch over me as I would watch over them. 

Good thing there's such things as cults and rifles/rockets/snipers/etc. Because otherwise Idk how'd I'd get ya. If you had that many peopel watching over you (conisdering it's a lot) all I need is a god amount of people and I'm fine. you wouldn't imahine how many things would go wrong in a state of Anarchy.
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[QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works. 

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

however society as a whole prospers.  With communism you everyone lacks motivation and therefore society as  whole goes nowhere.

 

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Chloroformality

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

Cry me a river.

My dad's from Costa Rica and he's successful. 

Most legal immigrants have good educations, which is why they are able to get in, 2nd and 3rd generations are generally not as successful. But when a system would improve life not only for those in poverty, but for socioty in general, the system just makes sence to me.
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[QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

 

maybe then, the nonwhites should try a little harder dont you think?

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#34 chip_money
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because it looks great on paper
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[QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

What about rich minorities?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Eadara

 

because it works. 

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

however society as a whole prospers.  With communism you everyone lacks motivation and therefore society as  whole goes nowhere.

 

No, the rich prosper, The rest of socioty could do much better under a system that supported them and allowed to get their ideas, business, and labor in a productive job out there, but they are hindered, as a result crime, poverty and other problems within socioty arise.

and how exactly does communism not promote motivation? I'm sure you'll say communism gives everybody an equal share regardless of occupation, but, I hate to tell you this, but that's nothing but a myth.

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Ehhh... I prefer capitalism using the socalist Social Security Program. However, I'd prefer less government enterprises such as postal and library, if I want to read a book I'll buy my own private membership to some place, not pay taxes.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?quiglythegreat

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

What about rich minorities?

I should probably have said specific minoritys.
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#39 quiglythegreat
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I should probably have said specific minoritys.yoshi-lnex
....What? Every race has some rich people.
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#40 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?Childish_Spot

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

 

maybe then, the nonwhites should try a little harder dont you think?

It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I should probably have said specific minoritys.quiglythegreat
....What? Every race has some rich people.

individuals cannot be representitive of the avarage income or proprosperity of the entirty of any group.
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It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do not.yoshi-lnex
No, if you are smart and get educated (and this IS possible with public libraries, so don't bring that up) and work your ass off, then you absolutely can make it. No matter where you are from society. To say it's impossible is an insult to the poverty-stricken.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do not.quiglythegreat
No, if you are smart and get educated (and this IS possible with public libraries, so don't bring that up) and work your ass off, then you absolutely can make it. No matter where you are from society. To say it's impossible is an insult to the poverty-stricken.

Not everybody is born with the nessasary intelligence or strenth that this requires.

many people are born into a level of desperation in which the idea that they cannot advance no matter what they do is driven into them over and over again for the span of their early years, and that idea sticks with them.

In combination with poverty, poor parents, poor schools and the idea that socioty does not want to succeed, most people within this situation are doomed for failure.

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I should probably have said specific minoritys.yoshi-lnex
....What? Every race has some rich people.

individuals cannot be representitive of the avarage income or proprosperity of the entirty of any group.

Yes. Nor can rich white people be that. Look, Asians have an average income almost exactly equal to the average European's in America.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do not.yoshi-lnex
No, if you are smart and get educated (and this IS possible with public libraries, so don't bring that up) and work your ass off, then you absolutely can make it. No matter where you are from society. To say it's impossible is an insult to the poverty-stricken.

Not everybody is born with the nessasary intelligence or strenth that this requires.

Well, strength isn't a part of it, but your argument is racist in the purest form of the word. All races obviously have an innately equal intelligence. There's positively no reason there should be any variation.
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[QUOTE="Eadara"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works. 

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

however society as a whole prospers.  With communism you everyone lacks motivation and therefore society as  whole goes nowhere.

 

No, the rich prosper, The rest of socioty could do much better under a system that supported them and allowed to get their ideas, business, and labor in a productive job out there, but they are hindered, as a result crime, poverty and other problems within socioty arise.

and how exactly does communism not promote motivation? I'm sure you'll say communism gives everybody an equal share regardless of occupation, but, I hate to tell you this, but that's nothing but a myth.

No one would work more than they had to if they didn't think they could get ahead.

No one would do anything if they didn't have to, from seekign higher education to working overtime.

And personally I wouldn't want to be in a market system that would put the works of albert einstein on the same level paris hilton.

Please take your idiotic marxist propaganda elsewhere.

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[QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Childish_Spot"]

[QUOTE="proctorsurf"]why do you support capitalism?yoshi-lnex

 

because it works.

For the rich and for whites.....the rest of socioty suffers

Cry me a river.

My dad's from Costa Rica and he's successful.

Most legal immigrants have good educations, which is why they are able to get in, 2nd and 3rd generations are generally not as successful. But when a system would improve life not only for those in poverty, but for socioty in general, the system just makes sence to me.

Sometimes that's too difficult to do. 

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do not.quiglythegreat
No, if you are smart and get educated (and this IS possible with public libraries, so don't bring that up) and work your ass off, then you absolutely can make it. No matter where you are from society. To say it's impossible is an insult to the poverty-stricken.

Internet is more efficient.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I should probably have said specific minoritys.quiglythegreat
....What? Every race has some rich people.

individuals cannot be representitive of the avarage income or proprosperity of the entirty of any group.

Yes. Nor can rich white people be that. Look, Asians have an average income almost exactly equal to the average European's in America.

so that means that we should forget about everybody else?
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It's not a matter of working harder when you are never given the oppertunity to advance that others do not.wemhim
No, if you are smart and get educated (and this IS possible with public libraries, so don't bring that up) and work your ass off, then you absolutely can make it. No matter where you are from society. To say it's impossible is an insult to the poverty-stricken.

Internet is more efficient.

Which is usually accessible through public libraries, which are free.