Why the US Involvement in Iraq Makes Sense (Please Read)

Today I came to the realization that America's foreign policy does make sense. However if my theory is true then the World's disaproving judgement of the US is well deserved.

The reason why the US gets tangled up in petty conflicts in Iraq, Afgahnistan, Kosovo, etc. is because of an utter fear of a super power in Eurasia. This policy has dominated American politics for the past 60 years and will continue to. Even though the US is going through a recession the US still has the world's most powerful economy. This reason is because of our location and military capabilites. The US is located in North America, and has access to both oceans. No other continent in the world has that advantage. This is why for now on the world power will be located in North or South America (but this is an argument for another day). The US is the dominant power in these two regions so they are the world power.

However if Eurasia ever became consumed by one or two powerful Empires the US's interests would be deeply threatened. And this is why the US never tries to win wars, they just try to eliminate threats and cause trouble. For example to prevent Russia from gaining access to the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and the Indian Ocean (which leads directly to the Pacific Ocean) the US supplied arms to Afgahnistan to halt Russia's armies. Another example would be the war in Iraq. It is obvious that the US can not win this war. But that wasn't their goal. The US's goal was to stop the creation of a unified Islamic State in the middle east by splitting the middle east up. Even with the US gone in a year there will be too much turmoil and chaos in the middle east for them to unite.

You will see throughout the century dozens of tiny conflicts like Iraq happen over what seems to be trival reasons. But in reality they are going to be part of the big picture. There will be tons of conflicts in Eastern Europe. Not once will you see American troops deploy, but they will provide arms to Eastern European countries to help halt Russia's advancement into Europe. All to stop the creation of a major Eurasian power. Russia will not be able to succed with a declining population and inferior technology. Japan will also become a threat later. They have the world's second largest economy and militaristic roots. They will not remain pacificst for long. They will do anything to protect their economic interests, which the US will soon threaten with their new space technology (another thread that will be made where I shall explain what I mean).

I plan on making more posts later on my theories on how the 21st century will play out.

sorry I am against imperialism.gobo212

So am I.

I'm not saying that their actions make sense for the good of people, I am saying their actions have a purpose. They aren't just randomly attacking countries.

You are not making any sense stewart. And if you don't care then don't post.

sorry I am against imperialism.gobo212

[QUOTE="gobo212"]sorry I am against imperialism.DivergeUnify

Yeah, that wasn't the point of the post at all.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="gobo212"]sorry I am against imperialism.StrawberryHill

Yeah, that wasn't the point of the post at all.

ok dont want to start any trouble kinda new to the internet . Iam again new to the internet i just dont understand why people in this world cant jusst get along thats all so i will go for nowchiefstewart

Blame it on that darned rock-n-roll! ;)

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] He didn't talk about imperialism at all. Good jobDivergeUnify

Yeah, that wasn't the point of the post at all.

I know what imperialism means. You are missing the point of the post. Did you read it?

So you think the US is going to attack Japan because of how technologically advanced they are becoming in the space industry :?

The US, Japan, Canada and Russia (As well as a couple countries in Europe) all have an interest in the International Space Station. I don't see any attacks coming from the US because it would slow the advancement of their technology and enable those third world powers to come even closer technologywise making the advanatage the US has over it's enemies become less and less advantageous.

I think the war is going to go on for along time.

Well, It's either that or our actions are religiously focused. Bush did mention that God told him to invade Iraq. Perhaps he feels he's fulfilling Prophecy. I'm only Half Joking.Locke562

I feel that is a cover up. Everything has made too much sense for him to blindly attack Iraq for a foolish reason like that. I think the President doesn't get too much say in that matter honestly.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

Yeah, that wasn't the point of the post at all.

StrawberryHill

I know what imperialism means. You are missing the point of the post. Did you read it?

So you think the US is going to attack Japan because of how technologically advanced they are becoming in the space industry :?

The US, Japan, Canada and Russia (As well as a couple countries in Europe) all have an interest in the International Space Station. I don't see any attacks coming from the US because it would slow the advancement of their technology and enable those third world powers to come even closer technologywise making the advanatage the US has over it's enemies become less and less advantageous.

BumFluff122

I think Japan will attack the US 50 years from now because of space tecnhnology. War is going to change a lot by then. Armies will be much smaller to accommodate the declining populations. Most wars will be fought with hydrosonic missles launched from orbit or controlled from orbit.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

So you think the US is going to attack Japan because of how technologically advanced they are becoming in the space industry :?

The US, Japan, Canada and Russia (As well as a couple countries in Europe) all have an interest in the International Space Station. I don't see any attacks coming from the US because it would slow the advancement of their technology and enable those third world powers to come even closer technologywise making the advanatage the US has over it's enemies become less and less advantageous.

stupid4

I think Japan will attack the US 50 years from now because of space tecnhnology. War is going to change a lot by then. Armies will be much smaller to accommodate the declining populations. Most wars will be fought with hydrosonic missles launched from orbit or controlled from orbit.

However Japan realizes that a full brunt conflict with the US is suicide and this will be a last resort answer.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

So you think the US is going to attack Japan because of how technologically advanced they are becoming in the space industry :?

The US, Japan, Canada and Russia (As well as a couple countries in Europe) all have an interest in the International Space Station. I don't see any attacks coming from the US because it would slow the advancement of their technology and enable those third world powers to come even closer technologywise making the advanatage the US has over it's enemies become less and less advantageous.

stupid4

I think Japan will attack the US 50 years from now because of space tecnhnology. War is going to change a lot by then. Armies will be much smaller to accommodate the declining populations. Most wars will be fought with hydrosonic missles launched from orbit or controlled from orbit.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

So you think the US is going to attack Japan because of how technologically advanced they are becoming in the space industry :?

The US, Japan, Canada and Russia (As well as a couple countries in Europe) all have an interest in the International Space Station. I don't see any attacks coming from the US because it would slow the advancement of their technology and enable those third world powers to come even closer technologywise making the advanatage the US has over it's enemies become less and less advantageous.

BumFluff122

I think Japan will attack the US 50 years from now because of space tecnhnology. War is going to change a lot by then. Armies will be much smaller to accommodate the declining populations. Most wars will be fought with hydrosonic missles launched from orbit or controlled from orbit.

The reason why the US has any allies at all is because of our complete dominace of the globe. If we wanted to we could completly cut off Japan from trade in the pacific. Eventually once Japan starts to grow too big and venture into China for labor due to the population decline the US will cut them off. This will be the begining of a bad, tension filled relationship between Japan and the US.

I was really hoping this thread would get more attention....

I was really hoping this thread would get more attention....

stupid4

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

I was really hoping this thread would get more attention....

DivergeUnify

But that wasn't the goal. The goal was to make them not trust eah other, which is now very true.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="stupid4"]

I was really hoping this thread would get more attention....

stupid4

But that wasn't the goal. The goal was to make them not trust eah other, which is now very true.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] In a way I kind of disagree with the reasoning behind Iraq. If anything, invading the region has stirred anti-US sentiment, uniting them if anything. Before the invasion of Iraq, Iraq and Iran were enemies. Of course, now Iraq is on the side of the US( for now at least), but the rest of the region doesn't really like us anymore than before.DivergeUnify

But that wasn't the goal. The goal was to make them not trust eah other, which is now very true.

But there was a threat of Al-Qaeda uniting them (very slim chance). As long as the threat was there the US had to take it out. I can't see a super power coming out of the middle east for at least another century now.

...To make sure something like 9/11 never happens again.

-correct answer

But there was a threat of Al-Qaeda uniting themstupid4

[QUOTE="stupid4"]But there was a threat of Al-Qaeda uniting them-Sun_Tzu-

I'm not, but there was a chance. If Al-Qaeda made good with a regional power who knows what would have happened? Probably nothing but the US is a young, barbaric, warrior country that is not going to take a chance.

Today I came to the realization that America's foreign policy does make sense. However if my theory is true then the World's disaproving judgement of the US is well deserved.

The reason why the US gets tangled up in petty conflicts in Iraq, Afgahnistan, Kosovo, etc. is because of an utter fear of a super power in Eurasia. This policy has dominated American politics for the past 60 years and will continue to. Even though the US is going through a recession the US still has the world's most powerful economy. This reason is because of our location and military capabilites. The US is located in North America, and has access to both oceans. No other continent in the world has that advantage. This is why for now on the world power will be located in North or South America (but this is an argument for another day). The US is the dominant power in these two regions so they are the world power.

However if Eurasia ever became consumed by one or two powerful Empires the US's interests would be deeply threatened. And this is why the US never tries to win wars, they just try to eliminate threats and cause trouble. For example to prevent Russia from gaining access to the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and the Indian Ocean (which leads directly to the Pacific Ocean) the US supplied arms to Afgahnistan to halt Russia's armies. Another example would be the war in Iraq. It is obvious that the US can not win this war. But that wasn't their goal. The US's goal was to stop the creation of a unified Islamic State in the middle east by splitting the middle east up. Even with the US gone in a year there will be too much turmoil and chaos in the middle east for them to unite.

You will see throughout the century dozens of tiny conflicts like Iraq happen over what seems to be trival reasons. But in reality they are going to be part of the big picture. There will be tons of conflicts in Eastern Europe. Not once will you see American troops deploy, but they will provide arms to Eastern European countries to help halt Russia's advancement into Europe. All to stop the creation of a major Eurasian power. Russia will not be able to succed with a declining population and inferior technology. Japan will also become a threat later. They have the world's second largest economy and militaristic roots. They will not remain pacificst for long. They will do anything to protect their economic interests, which the US will soon threaten with their new space technology (another thread that will be made where I shall explain what I mean).

I plan on making more posts later on my theories on how the 21st century will play out.

stupid4

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="stupid4"]But there was a threat of Al-Qaeda uniting themstupid4

I'm not, but there was a chance. If Al-Qaeda made good with a regional power who knows what would have happened? Probably nothing but the US is a young, barbaric, warrior country that is not going to take a chance.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You are seriously overestimating the influence and power of Al-Qaeda. There was no chance that Al-Qaeda or any other fringe organization would unite a region that has been divided since basically the beginning of time.-Sun_Tzu-

I'm not, but there was a chance. If Al-Qaeda made good with a regional power who knows what would have happened? Probably nothing but the US is a young, barbaric, warrior country that is not going to take a chance.

The only argument left is the principle of keeping Eurasia divided and to have complete chaos going on.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="stupid4"]

I'm not, but there was a chance. If Al-Qaeda made good with a regional power who knows what would have happened? Probably nothing but the US is a young, barbaric, warrior country that is not going to take a chance.

stupid4

The only argument left is the principle of keeping Eurasia divided and to have complete chaos going on.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

Today I came to the realization that America's foreign policy does make sense. However if my theory is true then the World's disaproving judgement of the US is well deserved.

The reason why the US gets tangled up in petty conflicts in Iraq, Afgahnistan, Kosovo, etc. is because of an utter fear of a super power in Eurasia. This policy has dominated American politics for the past 60 years and will continue to. Even though the US is going through a recession the US still has the world's most powerful economy. This reason is because of our location and military capabilites. The US is located in North America, and has access to both oceans. No other continent in the world has that advantage. This is why for now on the world power will be located in North or South America (but this is an argument for another day). The US is the dominant power in these two regions so they are the world power.

However if Eurasia ever became consumed by one or two powerful Empires the US's interests would be deeply threatened. And this is why the US never tries to win wars, they just try to eliminate threats and cause trouble. For example to prevent Russia from gaining access to the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and the Indian Ocean (which leads directly to the Pacific Ocean) the US supplied arms to Afgahnistan to halt Russia's armies. Another example would be the war in Iraq. It is obvious that the US can not win this war. But that wasn't their goal. The US's goal was to stop the creation of a unified Islamic State in the middle east by splitting the middle east up. Even with the US gone in a year there will be too much turmoil and chaos in the middle east for them to unite.

You will see throughout the century dozens of tiny conflicts like Iraq happen over what seems to be trival reasons. But in reality they are going to be part of the big picture. There will be tons of conflicts in Eastern Europe. Not once will you see American troops deploy, but they will provide arms to Eastern European countries to help halt Russia's advancement into Europe. All to stop the creation of a major Eurasian power. Russia will not be able to succed with a declining population and inferior technology. Japan will also become a threat later. They have the world's second largest economy and militaristic roots. They will not remain pacificst for long. They will do anything to protect their economic interests, which the US will soon threaten with their new space technology (another thread that will be made where I shall explain what I mean).

I plan on making more posts later on my theories on how the 21st century will play out.

muscleserge

It is a widely known fact that the US has the best weapons. Russia hardly has an army anymore that can compete with the US, just like in the cold war days. Russia will try to avoid direct conflict with the US. The US is the true military power of the world. The only reason people bring up China is because of its sheer size, but China would never fight the US. Besides China will collapse in a decade. People only bring up Russia because of their skirmish with Georgia, but that is like comparing apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There was never a chance of that happening. Al-Qaeda isn't even really that powerful or influential an organization. The only thing it's got going for it is the deep pockets of Bin Laden. It's not that big and it certainly doesn't have enough political capital to buddy up with a regional power, and if it did, so what? It wouldn't be that big of a threat, because the regional power that it would of buddied up with would undoubtedly already not have a good relationship with the U.S. -Sun_Tzu-

The only argument left is the principle of keeping Eurasia divided and to have complete chaos going on.

Revenge for what? What did Iraq do to the United States? Do not bring up the WMD bull crap, because those are never going to be used in conventional warfare anymore.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="stupid4"]

The only argument left is the principle of keeping Eurasia divided and to have complete chaos going on.

stupid4

Revenge for what? What did Iraq do to the United States? Do not bring up the WMD bull crap, because those are never going to be used in conventional warfare anymore.

Alright stupid4, about this theory. If all we were trying to do in Eurasia is disrupt things, why the extended occupation of Iraq? Why didn't we just call it a job well done after Shock and Awe and leave the country to anarchy?fidosim

Alright stupid4, about this theory. If all we were trying to do in Eurasia is disrupt things, why the extended occupation of Iraq? Why didn't we just call it a job well done after Shock and Awe and leave the country to anarchy?fidosim

Because Iran would spread their influence. Iran would only gain from that.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="stupid4"]

Today I came to the realization that America's foreign policy does make sense. However if my theory is true then the World's disaproving judgement of the US is well deserved.

The reason why the US gets tangled up in petty conflicts in Iraq, Afgahnistan, Kosovo, etc. is because of an utter fear of a super power in Eurasia. This policy has dominated American politics for the past 60 years and will continue to. Even though the US is going through a recession the US still has the world's most powerful economy. This reason is because of our location and military capabilites. The US is located in North America, and has access to both oceans. No other continent in the world has that advantage. This is why for now on the world power will be located in North or South America (but this is an argument for another day). The US is the dominant power in these two regions so they are the world power.

However if Eurasia ever became consumed by one or two powerful Empires the US's interests would be deeply threatened. And this is why the US never tries to win wars, they just try to eliminate threats and cause trouble. For example to prevent Russia from gaining access to the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and the Indian Ocean (which leads directly to the Pacific Ocean) the US supplied arms to Afgahnistan to halt Russia's armies. Another example would be the war in Iraq. It is obvious that the US can not win this war. But that wasn't their goal. The US's goal was to stop the creation of a unified Islamic State in the middle east by splitting the middle east up. Even with the US gone in a year there will be too much turmoil and chaos in the middle east for them to unite.

You will see throughout the century dozens of tiny conflicts like Iraq happen over what seems to be trival reasons. But in reality they are going to be part of the big picture. There will be tons of conflicts in Eastern Europe. Not once will you see American troops deploy, but they will provide arms to Eastern European countries to help halt Russia's advancement into Europe. All to stop the creation of a major Eurasian power. Russia will not be able to succed with a declining population and inferior technology. Japan will also become a threat later. They have the world's second largest economy and militaristic roots. They will not remain pacificst for long. They will do anything to protect their economic interests, which the US will soon threaten with their new space technology (another thread that will be made where I shall explain what I mean).

I plan on making more posts later on my theories on how the 21st century will play out.

stupid4

It is a widely known fact that the US has the best weapons. Russia hardly has an army anymore that can compete with the US, just like in the cold war days. Russia will try to avoid direct conflict with the US. The US is the true military power of the world. The only reason people bring up China is because of its sheer size, but China would never fight the US. Besides China will collapse in a decade. People only bring up Russia because of their skirmish with Georgia, but that is like comparing apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="stupid4"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] Proof of said inferior Russian Tech? muscleserge

It is a widely known fact that the US has the best weapons. Russia hardly has an army anymore that can compete with the US, just like in the cold war days. Russia will try to avoid direct conflict with the US. The US is the true military power of the world. The only reason people bring up China is because of its sheer size, but China would never fight the US. Besides China will collapse in a decade. People only bring up Russia because of their skirmish with Georgia, but that is like comparing apples and oranges.

You haven't read any of my posts. The future of conventional warfare is different. Russia does not have any hydrosonic missles. Right now only the US has those. Does Russia have any battle stars in devolpment? No. They are going to be left behind in technology.

Also nobody is ever going to use nukes. Those are pretty much worthless.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="stupid4"]

It is a widely known fact that the US has the best weapons. Russia hardly has an army anymore that can compete with the US, just like in the cold war days. Russia will try to avoid direct conflict with the US. The US is the true military power of the world. The only reason people bring up China is because of its sheer size, but China would never fight the US. Besides China will collapse in a decade. People only bring up Russia because of their skirmish with Georgia, but that is like comparing apples and oranges.

stupid4

You haven't read any of my posts. The future of conventional warfare is different. Russia does not have any hydrosonic missles. Right now only the US has those. Does Russia have any battle stars in devolpment? No. They are going to be left behind in technology.