Why was Episode 3 titled 'Revenge of the Sith'

Kotor?Hewkii

Jeez these guys hold a grudge huh?!

The sith a mentioned as being wiped out in the first film or atleast got rid of.

Their just evil, its not realy revenge its just war.

realy its just a interesting nme that sounds like more will happen than actually does.smiggy4000

haha okay no.

The Sith pretty much wiped themselves out as a result of their own greed and lust for power. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two, meaning that for the insurance of the survival of the Sith, there should only be one Master and one Apprentice at any one time, with very few exceptions. That's pretty much how it went, down the line, through thousands of years, until Darth Sidious (Palpatine) came along. Sidious was a ridiculously powerful and crafty Sith Lord. He planned and manipulated the entire Clone Wars in an attempt to eventually eradicate the Jedi Order AND the Old Republic.

The film is called "Revenge of the Sith" because after 1000s of years of seemingly being completely out of the picture, they appeared again and Sidious did all the things he did during the prequel era to make what happens right at the end of the Clone Wars happen. He took out the Jedi Order. He removed the Old Republic from power. He became the Emperor of the entire flippin' universe. And that means that a Sith was in charge of everything, having essentially destroyed all opposition.

I apologize if this was a bit long, but the question required an explanatory answer.

Cudos to you for your star wars knowledge

[QUOTE="smiggy4000"]realy its just a interesting nme that sounds like more will happen than actually does.drummer131

haha okay no.

The Sith pretty much wiped themselves out as a result of their own greed and lust for power. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two, meaning that for the insurance of the survival of the Sith, there should only be one Master and one Apprentice at any one time, with very few exceptions. That's pretty much how it went, down the line, through thousands of years, until Darth Sidious (Palpatine) came along. Sidious was a ridiculously powerful and crafty Sith Lord. He planned and manipulated the entire Clone Wars in an attempt to eventually eradicate the Jedi Order AND the Old Republic.

The film is called "Revenge of the Sith" because after 1000s of years of seemingly being completely out of the picture, they appeared again and Sidious did all the things he did during the prequel era to make what happens right at the end of the Clone Wars happen. He took out the Jedi Order. He removed the Old Republic from power. He became the Emperor of the entire flippin' universe. And that means that a Sith was in charge of everything, having essentially destroyed all opposition.

I apologize if this was a bit long, but the question required an explanatory answer.

So due to their own greed they destroyed themselves. So the revenge they seek is on...themselves? Sorry this explanation isn't much of a justification either.

No. They blame the jedi for their lust and gree, I think.smiggy4000

Haha. The Sith are silly billys!

I do actually wish they'd put more of the comics' plots in novels, simply because I think the books would be more accessible. There's a whole lot of EU in the comics that most people only find out when they're browsing Wookieepedia or something of the sort. And I know they don't consistently sell all the SW comics all the time, so it's got to be really hard to find certain ones these days. It's really unfortunate.

Luckily though, people like me have Wookieepedia and encyclopedia books and such to help us fill in the gaps.

Cause of what Anakin did to Panda Bear or whatever the hell her name is. You know, the whole sex thing.

I do actually wish they'd put more of the comics' plots in novels, simply because I think the books would be more accessible. There's a whole lot of EU in the comics that most people only find out when they're browsing Wookieepedia or something of the sort. And I know they don't consistently sell all the SW comics all the time, so it's got to be really hard to find certain ones these days. It's really unfortunate.

Luckily though, people like me have Wookieepedia and encyclopedia books and such to help us fill in the gaps.

drummer131

Please no. The EU has repeatedly left me with a disgusting taste in my mouth as a result of one bad experience after another with its stupid plot telling devices and and ill-concieved story lines. The Mandolorians are a warrior race. GEE where have we seen THAT ONE before? Or how about the Hyperspace Wars? LOL huge melee assaults and sail ships in SPACE? Why do the EU authors always insist on taking Star Wars and perverting it into their own drug induced vision of what they think Star Wars "should" be? Even when many of them seem to not care about Lucas's story telling intentions or, at worst, totally ignore the movies out right. (Hint: The ZOMG X-Wings have shields and TIE Fighters don't myth was created by the EU, with events in the movies actually contradicting it. To give you an example.)

Not to mention blatent self-righteous wank on the part of the authors. The EU authors are constantly trying to "outdo" one another or worse, out wank Lucas himself. The end result looks something like a drugged up attempt to bring Dragonball Z into Star Wars.

Another thing, why must *every* story in the EU pertain to the Jedi and the Sith? I'm getting tired of all these side stories always being about "Zomg must find Ancient Sith Longjohns of doom!" or something.

[QUOTE="drummer131"]

I do actually wish they'd put more of the comics' plots in novels, simply because I think the books would be more accessible. There's a whole lot of EU in the comics that most people only find out when they're browsing Wookieepedia or something of the sort. And I know they don't consistently sell all the SW comics all the time, so it's got to be really hard to find certain ones these days. It's really unfortunate.

Luckily though, people like me have Wookieepedia and encyclopedia books and such to help us fill in the gaps.

CaptHawkeye

Please no. The EU has repeatedly left me with a disgusting taste in my mouth as a result of one bad experience after another with its stupid plot telling devices and and ill-concieved story lines. The Mandolorians are a warrior race. GEE where have we seen THAT ONE before? Or how about the Hyperspace Wars? LOL huge melee assaults and sail ships in SPACE? Why do the EU authors always insist on taking Star Wars and perverting it into their own drug induced vision of what they think Star Wars "should" be? Even when many of them seem to not care about Lucas's story telling intentions or, at worst, totally ignore the movies out right. (Hint: The ZOMG X-Wings have shields and TIE Fighters don't myth was created by the EU, with events in the movies actually contradicting it. To give you an example.)

Not to mention blatent self-righteous wank on the part of the authors. The EU authors are constantly trying to "outdo" one another or worse, out wank Lucas himself. The end result looks something like a drugged up attempt to bring Dragonball Z into Star Wars.

Another thing, why must *every* story in the EU pertain to the Jedi and the Sith? I'm getting tired of all these side stories always being about "Zomg must find Ancient Sith Longjohns of doom!" or something.

I don't get that impression at all, but that might be because I haven't read that many EU books. It sounds like you've read way more than me.

[QUOTE="smiggy4000"]realy its just a interesting nme that sounds like more will happen than actually does.drummer131

haha okay no.

The Sith pretty much wiped themselves out as a result of their own greed and lust for power. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two, meaning that for the insurance of the survival of the Sith, there should only be one Master and one Apprentice at any one time, with very few exceptions. That's pretty much how it went, down the line, through thousands of years, until Darth Sidious (Palpatine) came along. Sidious was a ridiculously powerful and crafty Sith Lord. He planned and manipulated the entire Clone Wars in an attempt to eventually eradicate the Jedi Order AND the Old Republic.

The film is called "Revenge of the Sith" because after 1000s of years of seemingly being completely out of the picture, they appeared again and Sidious did all the things he did during the prequel era to make what happens right at the end of the Clone Wars happen. He took out the Jedi Order. He removed the Old Republic from power. He became the Emperor of the entire flippin' universe. And that means that a Sith was in charge of everything, having essentially destroyed all opposition.

I apologize if this was a bit long, but the question required an explanatory answer.

Good job mate, you get a cookie for that. Couldn't have explained it better.

As for an elaboration, think of it as a religious battle for power.

The Jedi are one religion, believing in defense, personal sacrifice, and helping others for no personal gain. The "force" to them is a binding energy that allows them abilities to help others.

The Sith are the other religion, believing in offense, genocide, and helping others only for a much greater personal gain than the person they are helping. The "force" to them is a tool to overpower the weak.

It all culminated in what was known as the "New Sith Wars", a millenium long struggle for rule over the "Galactic Republic".

When it finally ended (1000 years before SW Episode IV), the Jedi overpowered the Sith because of all the infighting within the Sith ranks, and in effect the Sith were almost wiped out from all the bickering (only 2 remained). The Republic was restructured at this time to remove power from the individual "Supreme Chancellor" and give power to the democractic body that was known as "The Senate". The Sith set out on a long plan to destroy the Jedi and rule over the "Galaxy" once again. It was their own "Revenge" for losing everything they had in this conflict.

So Darth Bane instituted the "Rule of Two" (only 1 master and 1 apprentice at any time), much like the Jedi's philosophy of "Master and Padawan" since it was effective and "correct".

Around 1000 years later, the Sith have kept to the shadows, but reveal themselves when the time is ripe (Sidious was already in practical control of the senate, he had an army under his direct command, he had found "The Chosen One" in Anakin and felt he was ready to be turned to the dark side, and the jedi numbers were thinned from the Clone Wars.)

So their "Revenge" is carried out, and we get to the original SW trilogy.

What you have to understand is that there is a quintessential problem with the Sith, in that their arrogance with power is ALWAYS their ultimate downfall. It might be easy to get an apprentice for the Dark Side (an angry child, a disillusioned adult, make them more angry, undermine them, shatter them and you get them stronger etc.) as opposed to a padawan for the Jedi Order (an infant, taken from early on in life, trained specially in Jedi ways, restriction upon restriction to shape them appropriately).

The Sith are blinded by the idea that the Jedi are wiping them out, however, the jedi are only finishing the job that they begin on themselves.

History repeats itself with "Return of the Jedi", since Sidious had the "final" Jedi in his presence. He had absolute power, and in his arrogance in trying to kill Luke, he was defeated by his own apprentice (I know that Sidious comes back in EU, but we'll deal with the movies).

[QUOTE="smiggy4000"]realy its just a interesting nme that sounds like more will happen than actually does.drummer131

haha okay no.

The Sith pretty much wiped themselves out as a result of their own greed and lust for power. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two, meaning that for the insurance of the survival of the Sith, there should only be one Master and one Apprentice at any one time, with very few exceptions. That's pretty much how it went, down the line, through thousands of years, until Darth Sidious (Palpatine) came along. Sidious was a ridiculously powerful and crafty Sith Lord. He planned and manipulated the entire Clone Wars in an attempt to eventually eradicate the Jedi Order AND the Old Republic.

The film is called "Revenge of the Sith" because after 1000s of years of seemingly being completely out of the picture, they appeared again and Sidious did all the things he did during the prequel era to make what happens right at the end of the Clone Wars happen. He took out the Jedi Order. He removed the Old Republic from power. He became the Emperor of the entire flippin' universe. And that means that a Sith was in charge of everything, having essentially destroyed all opposition.

I apologize if this was a bit long, but the question required an explanatory answer.

Wow...I didn't get a word of that...:|

[QUOTE="drummer131"]

I do actually wish they'd put more of the comics' plots in novels, simply because I think the books would be more accessible. There's a whole lot of EU in the comics that most people only find out when they're browsing Wookieepedia or something of the sort. And I know they don't consistently sell all the SW comics all the time, so it's got to be really hard to find certain ones these days. It's really unfortunate.

Luckily though, people like me have Wookieepedia and encyclopedia books and such to help us fill in the gaps.

CaptHawkeye

Please no. The EU has repeatedly left me with a disgusting taste in my mouth as a result of one bad experience after another with its stupid plot telling devices and and ill-concieved story lines. The Mandolorians are a warrior race. GEE where have we seen THAT ONE before? Or how about the Hyperspace Wars? LOL huge melee assaults and sail ships in SPACE? Why do the EU authors always insist on taking Star Wars and perverting it into their own drug induced vision of what they think Star Wars "should" be? Even when many of them seem to not care about Lucas's story telling intentions or, at worst, totally ignore the movies out right. (Hint: The ZOMG X-Wings have shields and TIE Fighters don't myth was created by the EU, with events in the movies actually contradicting it. To give you an example.)

Not to mention blatent self-righteous wank on the part of the authors. The EU authors are constantly trying to "outdo" one another or worse, out wank Lucas himself. The end result looks something like a drugged up attempt to bring Dragonball Z into Star Wars.

Another thing, why must *every* story in the EU pertain to the Jedi and the Sith? I'm getting tired of all these side stories always being about "Zomg must find Ancient Sith Longjohns of doom!" or something.

it sounds to me like you're reading the books that take place before episode 4. i've never cared for those books, because i've never really cared what happens to those characters. i generally stick to the books that take place after ROTJ.dooly420

Actually, I consider pre Episode 4 EU matieral to be the lesser of two evils. Most the post ROTJ EU is what REALLY makes me sick. Who in the name of christ thought the Yuuzhan Vong were a good idea? Star Wars Legacy started out promising, but then turned into "yet another save the galaxy quest".

The only EU i've ever liked was the "Rebel Dawn" trilogy.

[QUOTE="dooly420"] it sounds to me like you're reading the books that take place before episode 4. i've never cared for those books, because i've never really cared what happens to those characters. i generally stick to the books that take place after ROTJ.CaptHawkeye

Actually, I consider pre Episode 4 EU matieral to be the lesser of two evils. Most the post ROTJ EU is what REALLY makes me sick. Who in the name of christ thought the Yuuzhan Vong were a good idea? Star Wars Legacy started out promising, but then turned into "yet another save the galaxy quest".

The only EU i've ever liked was the "Rebel Dawn" trilogy.

If you think about it, the death of the Jedi order may have more or less been a good thing for the galaxy. The Jedi have become essential religious fanatics over the many thousands of years they have been in power. They suffered from extreme arrogance, blind perception, naive beliefs, and most of this seems to have come straight from Yoda himself. The Episode 3 novel indicates that once Yoda had become a prominent member of the council, he more or less modeled the Jedi order after himself. My problem with Yoda is that he is so faithfully loyal to his own idea of the Jedi Code, he can't see the forest for the trees. Note that the Jedi are not as interested in protecting the innocent as they are interested in protecting the Republic. In other words, the Jedi had more or less become pawns of the corrupt Old Republic, thanks in no small part to Yoda. What's worse, Yoda didn't allow anyone to dissent or even disagree with him. Take Qui Gon for example, the guy had been at odds with Yoda for his entire career. And as a result, he was never allowed on the Council. He wasn't a "Yoda Yes Man".

I actually think this was a point Lucas was trying to establish in the movies. After all, the Prophecy said the chosen one would "Bring balance to the Force" but the Jedi, being as arrogant as they are, automatically interprited it as "Oh so he'll kill all the Sith! Yay!" They translated it into what they WANTED to hear. And no one ever thought to question it. They paid for this arrogance in blood.

The end result was what we got at the end of the movies. Both the old Jedi Order and the Old Sith were totally wiped out via direct or indirect action of Anakin Skywalker. When he died, Luke was the last true Force Adept in the galaxy. The impression I got from that, was that Luke was basically allowed to totally recreate the concept of the Force in the galaxy. He wasn't a Sith, but he wasn't a "Jedi" per se either. Essentially, a middle ground. Something the Sith and Jedi could never understand in their endless years of brutal war.

[QUOTE="drummer131"]

[QUOTE="smiggy4000"]realy its just a interesting nme that sounds like more will happen than actually does.Judza

haha okay no.

The Sith pretty much wiped themselves out as a result of their own greed and lust for power. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two, meaning that for the insurance of the survival of the Sith, there should only be one Master and one Apprentice at any one time, with very few exceptions. That's pretty much how it went, down the line, through thousands of years, until Darth Sidious (Palpatine) came along. Sidious was a ridiculously powerful and crafty Sith Lord. He planned and manipulated the entire Clone Wars in an attempt to eventually eradicate the Jedi Order AND the Old Republic.

The film is called "Revenge of the Sith" because after 1000s of years of seemingly being completely out of the picture, they appeared again and Sidious did all the things he did during the prequel era to make what happens right at the end of the Clone Wars happen. He took out the Jedi Order. He removed the Old Republic from power. He became the Emperor of the entire flippin' universe. And that means that a Sith was in charge of everything, having essentially destroyed all opposition.

I apologize if this was a bit long, but the question required an explanatory answer.

Good job mate, you get a cookie for that. Couldn't have explained it better.

As for an elaboration, think of it as a religious battle for power.

The Jedi are one religion, believing in defense, personal sacrifice, and helping others for no personal gain. The "force" to them is a binding energy that allows them abilities to help others.

The Sith are the other religion, believing in offense, genocide, and helping others only for a much greater personal gain than the person they are helping. The "force" to them is a tool to overpower the weak.

It all culminated in what was known as the "New Sith Wars", a millenium long struggle for rule over the "Galactic Republic".

When it finally ended (1000 years before SW Episode IV), the Jedi overpowered the Sith because of all the infighting within the Sith ranks, and in effect the Sith were almost wiped out from all the bickering (only 2 remained). The Republic was restructured at this time to remove power from the individual "Supreme Chancellor" and give power to the democractic body that was known as "The Senate". The Sith set out on a long plan to destroy the Jedi and rule over the "Galaxy" once again. It was their own "Revenge" for losing everything they had in this conflict.

So Darth Bane instituted the "Rule of Two" (only 1 master and 1 apprentice at any time), much like the Jedi's philosophy of "Master and Padawan" since it was effective and "correct".

Around 1000 years later, the Sith have kept to the shadows, but reveal themselves when the time is ripe (Sidious was already in practical control of the senate, he had an army under his direct command, he had found "The Chosen One" in Anakin and felt he was ready to be turned to the dark side, and the jedi numbers were thinned from the Clone Wars.)

So their "Revenge" is carried out, and we get to the original SW trilogy.

What you have to understand is that there is a quintessential problem with the Sith, in that their arrogance with power is ALWAYS their ultimate downfall. It might be easy to get an apprentice for the Dark Side (an angry child, a disillusioned adult, make them more angry, undermine them, shatter them and you get them stronger etc.) as opposed to a padawan for the Jedi Order (an infant, taken from early on in life, trained specially in Jedi ways, restriction upon restriction to shape them appropriately).

The Sith are blinded by the idea that the Jedi are wiping them out, however, the jedi are only finishing the job that they begin on themselves.

History repeats itself with "Return of the Jedi", since Sidious had the "final" Jedi in his presence. He had absolute power, and in his arrogance in trying to kill Luke, he was defeated by his own apprentice (I know that Sidious comes back in EU, but we'll deal with the movies).

mmm, I like cookies. :)

If you think about it, the death of the Jedi order may have more or less been a good thing for the galaxy. The Jedi have become essential religious fanatics over the many thousands of years they have been in power. They suffered from extreme arrogance, blind perception, naive beliefs, and most of this seems to have come straight from Yoda himself. The Episode 3 novel indicates that once Yoda had become a prominent member of the council, he more or less modeled the Jedi order after himself. My problem with Yoda is that he is so faithfully loyal to his own idea of the Jedi Code, he can't see the forest for the trees. Note that the Jedi are not as interested in protecting the innocent as they are interested in protecting the Republic. In other words, the Jedi had more or less become pawns of the corrupt Old Republic, thanks in no small part to Yoda. What's worse, Yoda didn't allow anyone to dissent or even disagree with him. Take Qui Gon for example, the guy had been at odds with Yoda for his entire career. And as a result, he was never allowed on the Council. He wasn't a "Yoda Yes Man".

I actually think this was a point Lucas was trying to establish in the movies. After all, the Prophecy said the chosen one would "Bring balance to the Force" but the Jedi, being as arrogant as they are, automatically interprited it as "Oh so he'll kill all the Sith! Yay!" They translated it into what they WANTED to hear. And no one ever thought to question it. They paid for this arrogance in blood.

The end result was what we got at the end of the movies. Both the old Jedi Order and the Old Sith were totally wiped out via direct or indirect action of Anakin Skywalker. When he died, Luke was the last true Force Adept in the galaxy. The impression I got from that, was that Luke was basically allowed to totally recreate the concept of the Force in the galaxy. He wasn't a Sith, but he wasn't a "Jedi" per se either. Essentially, a middle ground. Something the Sith and Jedi could never understand in their endless years of brutal war.

CaptHawkeye

Hmm, you make an interesting point in your last paragraph.

Anything with "Revenge of the" in the title is an insta-fail.Sandro909

you're the one that fails, sir.

Cause of what Anakin did to Panda Bear or whatever the hell her name is. You know, the whole sex thing.

Wilfred_Owen

That would be the reason. :lol:

Panda Bear

Quadrifoglio

Padme. Nice try, though. -_-