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I personally think public opinion would become the new regulatory force. Not to mention people suing the companies using short cuts that harm health. Then we have an issue of monopolies be a lot harder to start businesses and heightened prices
So yes a completely privatized would succeed.
Why do we have these regulations in the first place? Would the US ( or the world) be a better place if we had regulation from the 19th century?
Corporations are there to make money. Bottom line. If that mean more mercury in your food because it was easier to dump it than to dispose of it properly then so be it. Don't worry the public won't find out because the big companies can just pay off or buy the media.
Another example, why should there be a regulation on how much pollutant I pour into a river? Is there a common thought that corporations are evil and will always find shortcuts that may jeopardize your safety? Don't all these regulations hinder businesses from performing the way they want to perform? Does the government have a right to say, "you don't know what you're doing so we made these laws so that we can protect everyone? Why wouldn't a business do that on their own? My belief is that, yes, a private market would eventually fix all problems and we do not need knee-jerk responses to accidents.ZumaJones07Have you ever heard of Erin Brockovich? There's a movie about her that shows her finding out that a private company did the very thing you're saying wouldn't happen. It would be great if everyone looked out for one another, but that doesn't happen very much.
unrestrained greed.
considering the heights of power, and influence companies can have on a country. A company failing can be catastrophic it in more ways then just simply shareholders.
I mean a lot of companies have more profit then some countries have in their treasuries.
unrestrained greed combined with scale changes thing.
Cause the government is needed for certain things like building codes and creating laws against products that can hurt people....
lol... i still get a kick out of that. from your comments on the other thread about libertarian islands. "certain things like building codes" :lol:Cause the government is needed for certain things like building codes and creating laws against products that can hurt people....
CaveJohnson1
The less regulation is generally better. You have to draw the line when companies put lead in their toothpaste (I'm looking at you China) - but otherwise most of the regulations and rules are just hindrances to the economy.
it's better to have rules and regulations to follow for the common good.brandontwbBut is it right for someone else to tell you how to run your business? Sure it makes sense to impose rules that stretch across the map, but all you're doing is saying that I don't know how to run my business. For instance, I don't want to pay for smoke detectors or exit signs in my building, but I would be forced to have them even if I do not need them. I think that common sense would work more effectively. If the guy I'm working for isn't treating me right or not paying me enough, then I leave and find a better company and the place I leave eventually dissolves because there is no benefit to working there. Without regulation, I think competition would weed out the evil corporations.
[QUOTE="brandontwb"]it's better to have rules and regulations to follow for the common good.ZumaJones07But is it right for someone else to tell you how to run your business? Sure it makes sense to impose rules that stretch across the map, but all you're doing is saying that I don't know how to run my business. For instance, I don't want to pay for smoke detectors or exit signs in my building, but I would be forced to have them even if I do not need them. I think that common sense would work more effectively. If the guy I'm working for isn't treating me right or not paying me enough, then I leave and find a better company and the place I leave eventually dissolves because there is no benefit to working there. Without regulation, I think competition would weed out the evil corporations.I think it's much too complicated to even assume what might happen... there are too many variables to consider and you can't oversimplify it. If you want a lack of regulations you should look to 3rd world countries and see how they're doing.
The market is not as free as people would like. There are often barriers to entry for many companies and products. Plus, consumer health and safety need to be regulated. We can not rely on the altruism of corporations to safeguard people's safety.
You shut up :x Ron Paul will lead us into a glorious new world!Sure, that could work
cybrcatter
.. if externalities, public goods, or monopolies never occurred.
Another example, why should there be a regulation on how much pollutant I poor into a river?
topiccreator
why should one person, or business by allowed to contiminate water supplies? They aren't the only people who use water.
business regulations have merit behind them and aren't being imposed on business owners in an attempt to annoy the business owners
No we should privatize fire fighting!Because not everything can be run for profit. If you doubt this, imagine a world without the police, fire department, libraries, interstate highway system, etc. etc. .
donalbane
Because not everything can be run for profit. If you doubt this, imagine a world without the police, fire department, libraries, interstate highway system, etc. etc. .
No we should privatize fire fighting! Yeah, then the poor people could just die horribly when they couldn't afford to pay for the help. Honestly, the whole 'rising tides' argument is always seen in reverse... the more we help the poor, the better the society. The more we help the rich,.. well, just look outside and I think you'lll see what I mean. We're on the brink of collapse, man.[QUOTE="donalbane"]No we should privatize fire fighting!Because not everything can be run for profit. If you doubt this, imagine a world without the police, fire department, libraries, interstate highway system, etc. etc. .
xaos
Hey. It happened.
I remember this. I can also recall numerous calls from the local police force back in TN. It was a message that sounded like a pseudo-invoice. They didn't ask, nor was it called a donation.Hey. It happened.
BrianB0422
I'm struggling for a good way to articulate the dramatic irony of the fact that so many people online are using a medium developed by a government agency for non-commercial purposes to express their dissatisfaction with government agencies, and how market forces could totally fill any gaps left by public services.xaosDon't bite the hand the feeds you?
We can never really know, because government is so far into every aspect of business and personal life that the chance to actually see if it would work is long past.
No we should privatize fire fighting![QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="donalbane"]
Because not everything can be run for profit. If you doubt this, imagine a world without the police, fire department, libraries, interstate highway system, etc. etc. .
BrianB0422
Hey. It happened.
I don't really have a problem with that, it really is just like insurance in that case. The reason the fire service is public though is because that a private system dosn't work in urban environments where if one house is on fire then the next will catch fire too and there's a huge mess if dealing with a high rise or multiple tenant property.No we should privatize fire fighting!xaos
Hey. It happened.
I don't really have a problem with that, it really is just like insurance in that case. The reason the fire service is public though is because that a private system dosn't work in urban environments where if one house is on fire then the next will catch fire too and there's a huge mess if dealing with a high rise or multiple tenant property. I hope your house catches on fire and you forgot to pay your "fee". Disgusting...There are some very big members only libraries around.Ebooks have allowed more to pop up recently ie safari. Lots of free collections around too. Also what about private uni libraries?libraries
donalbane
Im guessing it would end up being like the businesses in the early 20th century USA, it would suck hard for anyone who was not rich.
[QUOTE="BrianB0422"] I hope your house catches on fire and you forgot to pay your "fee". Disgusting...markop2003Eh? Your car won't be protected if you don't pay its insurance, your house won't be covered if you don't pay house insurance ect, i fail to see how this is any different Because certain things should just be covered. It blows my mind how completely backwards America is sometimes. You are mentally bankrupt.
I firmly believe that the less government is involved with something, the more efficient it becomes.savebatteryI second this statement.
[QUOTE="savebattery"]I firmly believe that the less government is involved with something, the more efficient it becomes.bbkkristianI second this statement. Enron likes this.
[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="savebattery"]I firmly believe that the less government is involved with something, the more efficient it becomes.cybrcatterI second this statement. Enron likes this. Well they were...
[QUOTE="BrianB0422"] I hope your house catches on fire and you forgot to pay your "fee". Disgusting...markop2003Eh? Your car won't be protected if you don't pay its insurance, your house won't be covered if you don't pay house insurance ect, i fail to see how this is any differentHalf the country wouldn't be able to afford fire or police insurance....that would have good results.
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] I second this statement.xaosEnron likes this. Well they were...
Succeed. Less government the better.KC_HokieYeah, let's make things like this legal.
I usually understand where conservatives are coming from, even if I don't agree, but this kind of thinking is deluded at best.
In theory all markets are self correcting.
The problem with theory is that it leaps to the end conclusion and omits everything in-between.
Hooray for markets self correcting in the long term.
Double hooray for the unbelievable pain and suffering that society has to go through before the corrections occur.
I am sure you will feel comforted that when your family dies from lack of environmental regulation you will at least be proud that they will be part of the dead poster children that eventually leads to market self correction.
I'd also like to see you pay 80% of your wages to the electricity company. But don't worry, when someone builds a new powerplant in the next couple of years you will eventually have lights and whatnot again.
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