Why Would a Person Become a Satanist?

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#1 TheMadGamer
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I don't understand why anyone would want to worship Satan. He's the very personification of evil. People who choose to become Satanists completely baffle me. Its like someone worshipping Adolf Hitler of Saddam Hussien.

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#2 Mumbles527
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Satanists don't worship Satan!
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#3 Def_Jef88
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Your post shows how little you really know about it.... :|
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#4 -Makaveli-
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As a Satanist, we don't worship a literal, horned figure called Satan. He's a metaphor- for the carnal nature of man which the church has tried (and failed) to suppress for millenia. Satanism is more liberating than you can imagine.
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#5 schoeffmaster
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No, they really worship cookie, made from the deepest dungeons of Avoesn and served from the fresh fields of Milwakee...:D...sorry its a little random...
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#6 DejaVu72
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There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...
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#7 matrix_hiei
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satanists don't worship satan, and they don't believe in christian ideologies. therefore satanists don't even believe in satan (or at least the same figure that you are thinking of), so your argument is inaccurate.
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There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...DejaVu72
Actually, I think it makes more sense than Christianity.
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#9 XFull_MetalX
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Teanage Confusion, that's why.
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There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...DejaVu72

Yeah, thats the type of Satanism I'm talking about... not the kind that is simply a rejection of religion in general.

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#11 DeeJayInphinity
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Some worship the satan portayed by the general media.. evil, greedy, deceitful.. others don't worship that satan. I don't understand why some would worhip the literal satan, I guess they want to be cool and go against the crowd.
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There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...DejaVu72
Actually, no one in my real life knows about it. And you certainly would never guess looking at me. I wear Abercrombie, am on my high school baseball, tennis, and wrestling team, and am going into the army- not exactly the stereotypical satanist profile. Most of us choose to keep it secret for personal reasons.
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#13 DejaVu72
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[QUOTE="DejaVu72"]There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...needled24-7
Actually, I think it makes more sense than Christianity.

Okay. But I think that sometimes people are really attracted to the "perk" I mentioned.

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#14 tomxizor
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Satanists don't worship Satan, for the 50th frickin' time. :| Do a little research before you post about religion.
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#15 -Makaveli-
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Teanage Confusion, that's why.XFull_MetalX
You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?
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boredom?
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[QUOTE="DejaVu72"]There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...-Makaveli-
Actually, no one in my real life knows about it. And you certainly would never guess looking at me. I wear Abercrombie, am on my high school baseball, tennis, and wrestling team, and am going into the army- not exactly the stereotypical satanist profile. Most of us choose to keep it secret for personal reasons.

I'm not Satanist, but I like some of its concepts. But I don't really tell a lot of people that I like the religion, because it's too hard explaining to idiots that most Satanists don't worship Satan.
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[QUOTE="DejaVu72"]There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...-Makaveli-
Actually, no one in my real life knows about it. And you certainly would never guess looking at me. I wear Abercrombie, am on my high school baseball, tennis, and wrestling team, and am going into the army- not exactly the stereotypical satanist profile. Most of us choose to keep it secret for personal reasons.

I was just saying that I think some people are like that. That's why I think sometimes people of that Religion often associate themselves with dark subjects.
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#19 tomxizor
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[QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teanage Confusion, that's why.-Makaveli-
You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Satanism is technically living life at what you see fit, and not following the rules of some ancient scripture.:| I actually agree with a decent amount of the Satanic Bible, but some of it is just "WTF?":D

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Most likely because they have personal leanings to existentialism or the pursuit of pleasure philosophy (less likely the latter unless they're n00bs).
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What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="DejaVu72"]There are two types of Satanists. And I think that sometimes, people ar tempted to become the LaVeyan Satanist simply because the religion associates itself with darkness, evil-looking, rebllious images, thus making some people think it's "cool"...DejaVu72

Actually, I think it makes more sense than Christianity.

Okay. But I think that sometimes people are really attracted to the "perk" I mentioned.

Yeah, I see people at my school like that. I don't really know them that much because I don't talk to them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they called themselves Satanist.
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#23 -Makaveli-
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teanage Confusion, that's why.tomxizor

You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Satanism is technically living life at what you see fit, and not following the rules of some ancient scripture.:| I actually agree with a decent amount of the Satanic Bible, but some of it is just "WTF?":D

Yeah, the whole ceremonial stuff is kind of retarded. It's really only supposed to function as a motivational factor to achieve whatever ends you please.
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[QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teenage Confusion, that's why.-Makaveli-
You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Oh sorry...

Confusion/Rebellion

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What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.guynamedbilly

Because Atheism means not believing in a god while Satanism means a lot more then that. Satanism comes with a set of ideologies attatched to it. That's like saying that Christians should call themselves theists instead of Christian. :|

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What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.guynamedbilly
As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.
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#27 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teanage Confusion, that's why.tomxizor

You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Satanism is technically living life at what you see fit, and not following the rules of some ancient scripture.:| I actually agree with a decent amount of the Satanic Bible, but some of it is just "WTF?":D

Yeah, like some of the Satanic Rules"

9. Do not harm little children (I just thought this one was funny :P)

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. :lol:

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#28 DejaVu72
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What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.guynamedbilly
I think some satanists like the controversy...mainly the ones that flaunt themselves. I'm Christian, and like Jesus states, I don't believe you should flaunt yourReligious or moral values(Ex. like praying out loud, or "bragging" about good deeds you've done, which the latter is seen often times in hollywood)
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teenage Confusion, that's why.XFull_MetalX

You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Oh sorry...

Confusion/Rebellion

Well, Satanism, by definition, is a rebellious religion. So, I'll take that.
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#30 Lilac_Benjie
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LaVeyan Satanism

I suggest that you read all of it before jumping to any conclusions. I myself am not a Satanist, although I hold great respect for it as a philosophy and do take influence from it on occasion.

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.-Makaveli-
As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.

Comformity and giving into other's wishes is against the rules in Satanism. :|

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[QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]

[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teenage Confusion, that's why.-Makaveli-

You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Oh sorry...

Confusion/Rebellion

Well, Satanism, by definition, is a rebellious religion. So, I'll take that.

I wouldn't want it any other way. Are you a Satanist?
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.DeeJayInphinity

As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.

Comformity and giving into other's wishes is against the rules in Satanism. :|

How could you ever have true friends that didn't believe the exact same as you then? Sounds kind of like fundamentalist christian to me.

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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]What I don't understand is why a person would call himself a satanist when he could just as easily call himself an atheist and not be constant source of controversy.DeeJayInphinity

As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.

Comformity and giving into other's wishes is against the rules in Satanism. :|

But lying isn't. LaVey, himself, said people should probably do as such in their own lives. And also, there are no real "rules" in Satanism. Suggestions, yes. But rules would be hypocritical.
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#35 -Makaveli-
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]

[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="XFull_MetalX"]Teenage Confusion, that's why.XFull_MetalX

You honestly think that's the only motivating factor behind our members?

Oh sorry...

Confusion/Rebellion

Well, Satanism, by definition, is a rebellious religion. So, I'll take that.

I wouldn't want it any other way. Are you a Satanist?

Yes.
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As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.-Makaveli-

I'm a bit insulted by that. I have yet to see a Satanist present his or herself as an atheist or a Christian (the former could be explained as their approach to gods, but wouldn't be their religion or lack thereof). Furthermore a true Satanist would not mask their beliefs unless it was going to hurt their job opportunity. I also disagree that we "know what we are at heart" because your actions define you as a Satanist or not, and therefore Christians may be Satanists in the way that they truly act and truly feel, with the exception of Sunday mornings.
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But lying isn't. LaVey, himself, said people should probably do as such in their own lives. And also, there are no real "rules" in Satanism. Suggestions, yes. But rules would be hypocritical.-Makaveli-

Of course he supports lying. His past is very often disputed.

Why follow something if you're going to go against its "suggestions"?

And yes they are "rules." They're rules in the way that if you don't follow those outlines, you're not a true satanist.

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boredom people boredom!
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Why couldn't they have just named it something else than? How effin stupid is that? We are called Satanism, but don't Worship Satan... Oxymoron FTW.
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#40 -Makaveli-
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]As I said before, many of us convey ourselves in public as aetheists (or even Christian), but at heart, we know what we are.CptJSparrow

I'm a bit insulted by that. I have yet to see a Satanist present his or herself as an atheist or a Christian (the former could be explained as their approach to gods, but wouldn't be their religion or lack thereof). Furthermore a true Satanist would not mask their beliefs unless it was going to hurt their job opportunity. I also disagree that we "know what we are at heart" because your actions define you as a Satanist or not, and therefore Christians may be Satanists in the way that they truly act and truly feel, with the exception of Sunday mornings.

It always affects something. And, there's a clear difference between acting as you please and saying you are something. I say I'm an atheist, because I'm quite aware if I exposed my beliefs, I would lose friendships and have much more difficulty with the fairer sex. I'm happy with my position, and that, by definition, is all that matters.
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For the same reason anyone chooses to follow any religion. And it seems you know very little about the subject.
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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]But lying isn't. LaVey, himself, said people should probably do as such in their own lives. And also, there are no real "rules" in Satanism. Suggestions, yes. But rules would be hypocritical.DeeJayInphinity

Of course he supports lying. His past is very often disputed.

Why follow something if you're going to go against its "suggestions"?

And yes they are "rules." They're rules in the way that if you don't follow those outlines, you're not a true satanist.

And then, he immediately after stipulates that they aren't really rules. He specifically says, that some rules may not fit with your own personal belief system, and as such you should strike them out. To do otherwise is to bind yourself to another man's code, which in the eyes of a Satanist, is wrong.
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Why couldn't they have just named it something else than? How effin stupid is that? We are called Satanism, but don't Worship Satan... Oxymoron FTW.THEDJXL

Satan has a specific meaning to it. It was used to describe anyone that wasn't Christian back in the days.

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Why couldn't they have just named it something else than? How effin stupid is that? We are called Satanism, but don't Worship Satan... Oxymoron FTW.THEDJXL

It's a metaphor. :|

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[QUOTE="THEDJXL"]Why couldn't they have just named it something else than? How effin stupid is that? We are called Satanism, but don't Worship Satan... Oxymoron FTW.DeeJayInphinity

Satan has a specific meaning to it. It was used to describe anyone that wasn't Christian back in the days.

Where were these "Days". Christianity wasn't always the major religeon, and in some places in Asia ETC you can still be killed for being one.

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[QUOTE="THEDJXL"]Why couldn't they have just named it something else than? How effin stupid is that? We are called Satanism, but don't Worship Satan... Oxymoron FTW.DeeJayInphinity

Satan has a specific meaning to it. It was used to describe anyone that wasn't Christian back in the days.

Using that logic one could also say that Jews are satanic...

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Satanism is actually very well structured and has a clear moral and individual backing. Although i'd fit it moreso along the lines of a philosophy since the rituals themselves dont have any real merit outside of those within the Church of Satan.

Ultimately though it is a good means to making people realize their self-worth. I really have to hand it to LaVey.

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[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]But lying isn't. LaVey, himself, said people should probably do as such in their own lives. And also, there are no real "rules" in Satanism. Suggestions, yes. But rules would be hypocritical.DeeJayInphinity

Of course he supports lying. His past is very often disputed.

Why follow something if you're going to go against its "suggestions"?

And yes they are "rules." They're rules in the way that if you don't follow those outlines, you're not a true satanist.

They aren't rules as in commandments or laws. What matters is how you make them work in your life.
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"]But lying isn't. LaVey, himself, said people should probably do as such in their own lives. And also, there are no real "rules" in Satanism. Suggestions, yes. But rules would be hypocritical.-Makaveli-

Of course he supports lying. His past is very often disputed.

Why follow something if you're going to go against its "suggestions"?

And yes they are "rules." They're rules in the way that if you don't follow those outlines, you're not a true satanist.

And then, he immediately after stipulates that they aren't really rules. He specifically says, that some rules may not fit with your own personal belief system, and as such you should strike them out. To do otherwise is to bind yourself to another man's code, which in the eyes of a Satanist, is wrong.

He specifies that it's ok to bend the rules if it benefits you. That's obviously up to you but I'm not sure if aligning yourself with bigots benefits you some how.

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#50 CptJSparrow
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Satanism is actually very well structured and has a clear moral and individual backing. Although i'd fit it moreso along the lines of a philosophy since the rituals themselves dont have any real merit outside of those within the Church of Satan.

Ultimately though it is a good means to making people realize their self-worth. I really have to hand it to LaVey.

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He ripped big time from Nietzsche, Crowley, and Ragnar Redbeard.