Why would electing a new President change anything?

... when the congress is the real problem? Their approval rating has hit 9% (.To put that in perspective, thats lower than the approval rating of porn, polygamy, BP during the disaster. This is embarrasing to say the least. And all the while they're making jokes about it. Are you fricken kidding me?

But the problem is that we put those clowns in office. And they can joke about it all they want, because they have their retirement benefits. They are out there sitting on their hands, playing games with our lives, while we suffer the consequences. All the while, they are and we are pointing our fingers at the president, saying he hasn't down anything. The congressmen are at blame just as much if not greater than the president. This is the true problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/congress-approval-rating-jokes_n_1035478.html

... when the congress is the real problem? Their approval rating has hit 9% (.To put that in perspective, thats lower than the approval rating of porn, polygamy, BP during the disaster. This is embarrasing to say the least. And all the while they're making jokes about it. Are you fricken kidding me?

But the problem is that we put those clowns in office. And they can joke about it all they want, because they have their retirement benefits. They are out there sitting on their hands, playing games with our lives, while we suffer the consequences. All the while, they are and we are pointing our fingers at the president, saying he hasn't down anything. The congressmen are at blame just as much if not greater than the president. This is the true problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/congress-approval-rating-jokes_n_1035478.html

pl4yer_f0und

How do you know they all get retirement benefits? I think it's silly to assume some freshman representative gets the same benefits as someone who has been a representative for 20 years.

Secondly, a new president is vital for a Republican controlled government. That's why we need a new President, and need to regain the majority in the Senate.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

... when the congress is the real problem? Their approval rating has hit 9% (.To put that in perspective, thats lower than the approval rating of porn, polygamy, BP during the disaster. This is embarrasing to say the least. And all the while they're making jokes about it. Are you fricken kidding me?

But the problem is that we put those clowns in office. And they can joke about it all they want, because they have their retirement benefits. They are out there sitting on their hands, playing games with our lives, while we suffer the consequences. All the while, they are and we are pointing our fingers at the president, saying he hasn't down anything. The congressmen are at blame just as much if not greater than the president. This is the true problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/congress-approval-rating-jokes_n_1035478.html

ristactionjakso

Thats not how anything gets done. It's congress's fault for not taking action. We don't need anymore vetoes, we need things getting donepl4yer_f0und

I disagree. The power to veto is very important. And we need the right things getting done, not just anything.

How do you know they all get retirement benefits? I think it's silly to assume some freshman representative gets the same benefits as someone who has been a representative for 20 years.

Secondly, a new president is vital for a Republican controlled government. That's why we need a new President, and need to regain the majority in the Senate.

airshocker

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

... when the congress is the real problem? Their approval rating has hit 9% (.To put that in perspective, thats lower than the approval rating of porn, polygamy, BP during the disaster. This is embarrasing to say the least. And all the while they're making jokes about it. Are you fricken kidding me?

But the problem is that we put those clowns in office. And they can joke about it all they want, because they have their retirement benefits. They are out there sitting on their hands, playing games with our lives, while we suffer the consequences. All the while, they are and we are pointing our fingers at the president, saying he hasn't down anything. The congressmen are at blame just as much if not greater than the president. This is the true problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/congress-approval-rating-jokes_n_1035478.html

pl4yer_f0und

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Well congress is a big problem, but the president has the power to veto any bill put before him. So Obama has failed on not vetoing b.s. bills from congress.

ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]Thats not how anything gets done. It's congress's fault for not taking action. We don't need anymore vetoes, we need things getting doneairshocker

I disagree. The power to veto is very important. And we need the right things getting done, not just anything.

The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.pl4yer_f0und

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Well congress is a big problem, but the president has the power to veto any bill put before him. So Obama has failed on not vetoing b.s. bills from congress.

ristactionjakso

I'm not saying that the president shouldn't veto, all I'm saying is that president should not veto, I'm trying to say that we shouldn't be killing so many bills right now. The congress should be helping him more.pl4yer_f0und

I disagree. President Obama very rarely makes good policy. I'm perfectly fine with the Congress preventing him from anything else that wull hurt us.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.airshocker

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]I'm not saying that the president shouldn't veto, all I'm saying is that president should not veto, I'm trying to say that we shouldn't be killing so many bills right now. The congress should be helping him more.airshocker

I disagree. President Obama very rarely makes good policy. I'm perfectly fine with the Congress preventing him from anything else that wull hurt us.

This isn't about Obama's policies, this is about the congress. Do you WANT congressmen playing with your lives like its a game. Do you WANT them to sit around doing nothing. All I'm saying is that we should make them more liable for their performance.pl4yer_f0und

You were JUST talking about Congress helping Obama. They're not playing with anybodys lives. They're doing their job as elected representatives. They're already accountable for their actions. They can be voted out.

Are you also fine that those congressmen lower our credit rating for the sake of the congressmen getting what they want, and not what we want? Or are you also fine that they wasted the past 3 years by not taking actions? I get that your republican. I too think that Keynesian Model is not working. But can you truly sit there and justify what the Congress is doing?pl4yer_f0und

They didn't lower my credit rating. S&P did. I wanted them to stand tough on the budget. I'm perfectly fine with them holding it hostage in order to force Democrats to do what they want. Republicans have been in control for a year, Democrats have had control since Obama was elected. That's more a case for throwing the Dems out than the Republicans.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.airshocker

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

So you, a conservative, want the same folks and same policies that have contributed to our problems?

So you, a conservative, want the same folks and same policies that have contributed to our problems?

worlock77

No. I want liberals thrown out. :)

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]Are you also fine that those congressmen lower our credit rating for the sake of the congressmen getting what they want, and not what we want? Or are you also fine that they wasted the past 3 years by not taking actions? I get that your republican. I too think that Keynesian Model is not working. But can you truly sit there and justify what the Congress is doing?airshocker

They didn't lower my credit rating. S&P did. I wanted them to stand tough on the budget. I'm perfectly fine with them holding it hostage in order to force Democrats to do what they want. Republicans have been in control for a year, Democrats have had control since Obama was elected. That's more a case for throwing the Dems out than the Republicans.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]This isn't about Obama's policies, this is about the congress. Do you WANT congressmen playing with your lives like its a game. Do you WANT them to sit around doing nothing. All I'm saying is that we should make them more liable for their performance.airshocker

You were JUST talking about Congress helping Obama. They're not playing with anybodys lives. They're doing their job as elected representatives. They're already accountable for their actions. They can be voted out.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So you, a conservative, want the same folks and same policies that have contributed to our problems?

airshocker

No. I want liberals thrown out. :)

Ah, so it doesn't matter if the country continues to go to hell in a handbasket so long as it's your team doing the driving?

That's kind of what's plunging America in the toilet. Gridlock and misplaced party identification when in fact both parties are the same.DroidPhysX

There's no misplaced party identification. I simply agree with Republicans on more things than I do with Democrats. There are clear differences on taxes, defense, social issues, and the economy that merit my supporting of Republicans.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]Are you also fine that those congressmen lower our credit rating for the sake of the congressmen getting what they want, and not what we want? Or are you also fine that they wasted the past 3 years by not taking actions? I get that your republican. I too think that Keynesian Model is not working. But can you truly sit there and justify what the Congress is doing?airshocker

They didn't lower my credit rating. S&P did. I wanted them to stand tough on the budget. I'm perfectly fine with them holding it hostage in order to force Democrats to do what they want. Republicans have been in control for a year, Democrats have had control since Obama was elected. That's more a case for throwing the Dems out than the Republicans.

Ah, so it doesn't matter if the country continues to go to hell in a handbasket so long as it's your team doing the driving?

worlock77

I don't believe the country will go to hell with conservatives in power.

Picard/Riker 2012!!!!!!

Then, you are the problem. If you didn't know, America was founded on compromise. Throwing tantrums and "standing tough" is whats keeping our nation back. And of course S&P downgraded us, but it was because of congress's inablity.pl4yer_f0und

Last I checked, I wasn't the one throwing any kind of tantrum, you were. This country wasn't founded on compromise. Compromise is nice when there are parties that are very similar in ideology, ours aren't. I agree that compromise is holding us back. It's not working. So it's time for one party to take power and fix things.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That's kind of what's plunging America in the toilet. Gridlock and misplaced party identification when in fact both parties are the same.airshocker

There's no misplaced party identification. I simply agree with Republicans on more things than I do with Democrats. There are clear differences on taxes, defense, social issues, and the economy that merit my supporting of Republicans.

Like I said, this is not about Obama's policies, its about the congress being more moderate and more open to compromise when the american people want it. And they are playing with our lives, and the problem is that no one is voting them out. There should be more outrage over this.pl4yer_f0und

Then independents and moderates will elect people to do so. Until that time, though, I'm going to vote for those who I think will lead us better.

Both parties don't have your intrest in heart. Not even the Republicans. They, along with the Democrats, have contributed to this explosion in national debt and useless wars. They both have allowed corporations to buy out the U.S. political system so every law they pass tries extra hard to cater to them. Such as the Republicans supporting SOPA.DroidPhysX

I agree, both parties don't even know me and couldn't care less what happened to me. That still doesn't change the fact that Republican policies don't hurt me as much as the Democrats do.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Both parties don't have your intrest in heart. Not even the Republicans. They, along with the Democrats, have contributed to this explosion in national debt and useless wars. They both have allowed corporations to buy out the U.S. political system so every law they pass tries extra hard to cater to them. Such as the Republicans supporting SOPA.airshocker

I agree, both parties don't even know me and couldn't care less what happened to me. That still doesn't change the fact that Republican policies don't hurt me as much as the Democrats do.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]Then, you are the problem. If you didn't know, America was founded on compromise. Throwing tantrums and "standing tough" is whats keeping our nation back. And of course S&P downgraded us, but it was because of congress's inablity.airshocker

Last I checked, I wasn't the one throwing any kind of tantrum, you were. This country wasn't founded on compromise. Compromise is nice when there are parties that are very similar in ideology, ours aren't. I agree that compromise is holding us back. It's not working. So it's time for one party to take power and fix things.

Nothing will change in the American government until you stop electing democrats and republicans.

I never said you were throwing tantrums, I was talking about the congressmen. And our country WAS founded on compromise, I really dont know how you can disagree with that.. And how is compromise holding us back, when there isn't any? This lack of compromise is whats holding us back.pl4yer_f0und

Because if there isn't any then it's a waste of time to try and foster any. Look, there will always be ebbs and flows in our political system. Sometimes Republicans will be stronger, sometimes Democrats will be. Sometimes moderates will be in control, and sometimes conservatives or liberals will be. That's natural. People need to realize when those times are and roll with them. That's the best you can do.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]Like I said, this is not about Obama's policies, its about the congress being more moderate and more open to compromise when the american people want it. And they are playing with our lives, and the problem is that no one is voting them out. There should be more outrage over this.airshocker

Then independents and moderates will elect people to do so. Until that time, though, I'm going to vote for those who I think will lead us better.

It doesn't matter who leads us if its a democrat, he wont have the house, if its a republican he wont have that senate.

The thing I'm trying to get at is, that the only time things get done shouldn't be when one party controls everything.

It doesn't matter who leads us if its a democrat, he wont have the house, if its a republican he wont have that senate.

The thing I'm trying to get at is, that the only time things get done shouldn't be when one party controls everything.

pl4yer_f0und

It does matter who leads us. Every side has a different ideology.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.airshocker

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ah, so it doesn't matter if the country continues to go to hell in a handbasket so long as it's your team doing the driving?

airshocker

I don't believe the country will go to hell with conservatives in power.

The Republicans are not conservatives and haven't been in decades.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]I never said you were throwing tantrums, I was talking about the congressmen. And our country WAS founded on compromise, I really dont know how you can disagree with that.. And how is compromise holding us back, when there isn't any? This lack of compromise is whats holding us back.airshocker

Because if there isn't any then it's a waste of time to try and foster any. Look, there will always be ebbs and flows in our political system. Sometimes Republicans will be stronger, sometimes Democrats will be. Sometimes moderates will be in control, and sometimes conservatives or liberals will be. That's natural. People need to realize when those times are and roll with them. That's the best you can do.

Government is for the people, by the people. The minute we the people get complacent, the minute we get taken advantaged of, which is whats happening. I'm not saying that governments has always been scot free, I'm saying that the only way for the government to change is when we take control and excerice our power.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

It doesn't matter who leads us if its a democrat, he wont have the house, if its a republican he wont have that senate.

The thing I'm trying to get at is, that the only time things get done shouldn't be when one party controls everything.

airshocker

It does matter who leads us. Every side has a different ideology.

Picard/Riker 2012!!!!!!

vtoshkatur

Picard is a Frenchman (played by an Englishman) and is thus constitutionally inelegible to be President of the United States.

The Republicans are not conservatives and haven't been in decades.

worlock77

They're close enough.

Government is for the people, by the people. The minute we the people get complacent, the minute we get taken advantaged of, which is whats happening. I'm not saying that governments has always been scot free, I'm saying that the only way for the government to change is when we take control and excerice our power.

pl4yer_f0und

In case you didn't know, we the people voted in a Republican majority in the House. I like the constitutional republic we have going on. Sometimes we get bad leaders, **** happens. Thankfully we actually HAVE elections.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

Picard/Riker 2012!!!!!!

worlock77

Picard is a Frenchman (played by an Englishman) and is thus constitutionally inelegible to be President of the United States.

Well Riker is about as American as they come. And who could vote against that beard? seriously.

I'm not talking ideology. I'm saying it doesn't matter who leads us, because nothing would get done, which is the congress's faultpl4yer_f0und

Perhaps now, yes, but if either party had control, things would get done. Whether they would be good things is anybody's guess.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.airshocker

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

Ironically enough, I agree with parts of this post.

Compromise is not the solution at this point in time. The last two years have been a waste. You've had a Republican majority in the House unwilling to do anything that is not (in my opinion) rightwing extremism. You've had a Senate powerless to act in the face of a Republican filliubuster.

Essentially if the country wants real progress, in EITHER direction, it needs to definitively state a preference.

Republican House, Fillibuster Proof Senate, and President or Democratic House, Fillibuster Proof Senate and President.

There's a real benefit for divided government if you're ending up with moderates dictating policy. My take is that we have one completely extremist party in this country (Republicans) and one that's got both moderates and liberals (Democrats). I would argue for empowering the Democrats. We'll see what the election does.

My guess is we end up with a divided country yet again and more gridlock.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

The Republicans are not conservatives and haven't been in decades.

airshocker

They're close enough.

I'm sorry, but that is just laughable. Bush II (who for most of his tenure held a majority in both houses of the Congress), for example, increased the deficit by more than any president since FDR.

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]

Government is for the people, by the people. The minute we the people get complacent, the minute we get taken advantaged of, which is whats happening. I'm not saying that governments has always been scot free, I'm saying that the only way for the government to change is when we take control and excerice our power.

airshocker

In case you didn't know, we the people voted in a Republican majority in the House. I like the constitutional republic we have going on. Sometimes we get bad leaders, **** happens. Thankfully we actually HAVE elections.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="pl4yer_f0und"]The problem is not about republicans or democrats, its that congressmen are not taking action, they aren't compromising, they are not listening to the people, and they are basically trying to sabotage the president. This is not right, and people should be more aware of the congress than the elections because that is were the real problems are.nocoolnamejim

I don't WANT compromise. I don't WANT Obama's policies. I want Republicans in power, and Republican policies.

I can't support, or even feel sorry for, a President who doesn't approve of something as worthy as a oil pipeline from Canada.

Ironically enough, I agree with parts of this post.

Compromise is not the solution at this point in time. The last two years have been a waste. You've had a Republican majority in the House unwilling to do anything that is not (in my opinion) rightwing extremism. You've had a Senate powerless to act in the face of a Republican filliubuster.

Essentially if the country wants real progress, in EITHER direction, it needs to definitively state a preference.

Republican House, Fillibuster Proof Senate, and President or Democratic House, Fillibuster Proof Senate and President.

There's a real benefit for divided government if you're ending up with moderates dictating policy. My take is that we have one completely extremist party in this country (Republicans) and one that's got both moderates and liberals (Democrats). I would argue for empowering the Democrats. We'll see what the election does.

My guess is we end up with a divided country yet again and more gridlock.

I'm sorry, but that is just laughable. Bush II (who for most of his tenure held a majority in both houses of the Congress), for example, increased the deficit by more than any president since FDR.

worlock77

Which isn't very shocking considering we were in two wars.