Wikileaks judge to allow bin Laden raid member to testify for prosecution

I think it's an ridiculous charge and would set a horrible precedent. He leaked the documents to wikileaks which then published the information (something that is completely within their right to do); he didn't hand anything to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

Also the article you linked only gives part of the story.

From Al Jazeera "A judge has ruled that the US government must prove that Bradley Manning knowingly helped al-Qaeda by leaking secret documents to the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks to convict him of aiding the enemy." 

So I'd say this is a good development 

I'm pretty sure you lose some of your amendments when you're active duty. Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I think it's an ridiculous charge and would set a horrible precedent. He leaked the documents to wikileaks which then published the information (something that is completely within their right to do); he didn't hand anything to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

Also the article you linked only gives part of the story.

From Al Jazeera "A judge has ruled that the US government must prove that Bradley Manning knowingly helped al-Qaeda by leaking secret documents to the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks to convict him of aiding the enemy." 

So I'd say this is a good development 

-Sun_Tzu-

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How is Bradley Manning suppose to know who is going to read what on the public domain? -Sun_Tzu-

And I don't even know what to make of your last sentence. 

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His sole intention was to hurt the U.S.

-Sun_Tzu-

sure it was

bra

letting ppl know what's going on is bad for the ppl.

this terrorist must be executed at the spot.

Story.

The judge Colonel Denise Lind is allowing the prosecution in the Wikileaks case against Private First Class Bradley Manning to call one of the team members in the Osama bin Laden raid to testify on their behalf. The prosecution wants to have the member testify that during the raid evidence of some of the documents Manning leaked were delivered to bin Laden, completing the requirements to prosecute him for the charge of Aiding the Enemy. Aiding the Enemy is a capital offense under the UCMJ but the prosecution says they are not going to seek the death penalty.

Normally I would link the Yahoo article but it was just a little lacking in length.

Thoughts?

But he still realsed classified military documents during an active conflict.  No matter how anyone tries to spin it he basicly commited treason.

But he still realsed classified military documents during an active conflict.  No matter how anyone tries to spin it he basicly commited treason.

Shadow_Fighter

I think it's an ridiculous charge and would set a horrible precedent. He leaked the documents to wikileaks which then published the information (something that is completely within their right to do); he didn't hand anything to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

Also the article you linked only gives part of the story.

From Al Jazeera "A judge has ruled that the US government must prove that Bradley Manning knowingly helped al-Qaeda by leaking secret documents to the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks to convict him of aiding the enemy." 

So I'd say this is a good development 

-Sun_Tzu-

I'm pretty sure you lose some of your amendments when you're active duty. Fightingfan

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I think it's an ridiculous charge and would set a horrible precedent. He leaked the documents to wikileaks which then published the information (something that is completely within their right to do); he didn't hand anything to Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

Also the article you linked only gives part of the story.

From Al Jazeera "A judge has ruled that the US government must prove that Bradley Manning knowingly helped al-Qaeda by leaking secret documents to the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks to convict him of aiding the enemy." 

So I'd say this is a good development 

Toxic-Seahorse

Also keep in mind that Bradley Manning is pleading guilty to most of the charges against him. He is not arguing that he is innocent in all of this. But to say he committed treason is absurd. For lack of a better word it's an Orwellian charge. 

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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] How would he not think that giving away secret military documents would help the enemy? Sure he didn't give it directly to them but he knew the sensitive information was going to get published for everyone to see. What did he think wikileaks just wanted it to read for themselves? I don't see how it's possible for him to say he didn't knowingly help the enemy. He knew exacly what he was doing.Toxic-Seahorse

And I don't even know what to make of your last sentence. 

His sole intention was to hurt the U.S.

Toxic-Seahorse

sure it was

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] This is a really dumb argument. To think that Al-Queda wouldn't read leaked US documents is absurd. It's not about who is reading it, but who COULD be reading it. Even if he gave the info to Al-Queda themselves there would be no real way to prove that they read the stuff. The simple fact that eh made it possible for them to read it is reason enough. He knew what he was doing. You do have a point with the rest of your post though. There is no way to prove that he knew how exactly the info would harm the U.S., although I would argue that he wouldn't have leaked it if he didn't think it would hurt the U.S.

Toxic-Seahorse

And I don't even know what to make of your last sentence.

prove he actually read it. So they couldn't charge anyone with treason for giving up classified information because they could always fall back on "he didn't know they were going to read the info". It's stupid to say he didn't know Al-Queda would read the stuff and only a moron would believe that.

But he still realsed classified military documents during an active conflict.  No matter how anyone tries to spin it he basicly commited treason.

Shadow_Fighter

The prosecution wants to have the member testify that during the raid evidence of some of the documents Manning leaked were delivered to bin Laden, completing the requirements to prosecute him for the charge of Aiding the Enemy. ad1x2

But he still realsed classified military documents during an active conflict.  No matter how anyone tries to spin it he basicly commited treason.

Shadow_Fighter

His sole intention was to hurt the U.S.Toxic-Seahorse

I guess it depends on what he leaked.  It would be one thing if he just leaked that video of some US servicemen acting inappropriately, but if he released other sensitive information then its more serious.  I like freedom of information, but I understand that some government dealings are going to be classified.  Perhaps he should have spoken with journalists instead and given them his thoughts, as opposed to just leak out all those documents.

LOLLL what the f*ck is going on in this thread free bradley manningMrPraline

From paragraph 9 of DD Form 4:

I understand that many laws, regulations, and military customs
will govern my conduct and require me to do things under this
agreement that a civilian does not have to do.

Also:

As a member of the Armed Forces of the United States, I will be:

(1) Required to obey all lawful orders and perform all assigned
duties.

(3) Subject to the military justice system, which means, among
other things, that I may be tried by military courts-martial.

The US military hasn't drafted anybody since 1973. Bradley Manning under his own free will signed the document I linked above and as a result under his own free will agreed to abide by it. If he didn't want to then he should have stayed a civilian.

Despite Obama's promises, transparency is not something we can expect from the fedgov sadly.MrPraline

Transparency is nice in theory but that isn't something you can expect on a document that has the words "Secret" or "Top Secret" on the header and footer of it. Otherwise, there would be no purpose of giving out security clearance if everybody who asks nicely is allowed to look at classified information.

People can call Bradley Manning a whistleblower all day long, but he doesn't meet the criteria.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] what the f*ck is going on in this thread free bradley manningUniversalBread

how about just kill off everyone in association to Bin Laden?