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#1 Toriko42
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You find out your child had a debilitating disease, mentally or physically?

I didn't really think about it until today in Psychology AP when randomly someone brought up the statistic that over 90% of downs syndrome cases diagnosed in pregnancy are teriminated.

This is one of those cases I never really thought about concerning abortion but I totally would support it if I found out my child had it. I wouldn't want my child to suffer needlessly throughout their entire life. It would also be difficult for me as a parent.

What do you think, it's a touchy subject but with maturity I'm sure we can discuss it.

EDIT: Jeez, you think it'd be implied your significant other would get the abortion if you're a guy. So you'd discuss it with her

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#2 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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can guys get an abortion?? :P i don't know depends how long she had it for
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#3 Luncbox1
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To be honest, children with Downs Syndrom often have great lives. They're so happy and carefree. I know this one guy with Down Syndrom and he thinks every day is a great big adventure. In some ways I envy him.
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#4 omfg_its_dally
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No, I don't think I could intentionally take a human life.
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#5 Pirate700
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I'm not sure dudes can get pregnant.

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#6 _en1gma_
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If I were a woman and the disease prevents the baby from ever having free thought or a normal life, yes.

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#7 ConformestClone
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Hell, I'd get an abortion just for kicks, if I could.
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#8 MasterC5
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Yes, I wouldn't be able to handle it. I feel awful for saying this but it's true.

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#9 MrLions
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To be honest, children with Downs Syndrom often have great lives. They're so happy and carefree. I know this one guy with Down Syndrom and he thinks every day is a great big adventure. In some ways I envy him. Luncbox1
Yup. I sit beside one in my Math class and he's always a happy camper.
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#10 foxhound_fox
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It would al depend on what disease, how it would effect their quality of life and whether or not they would live a full life.

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#11 SOedipus
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If my girlfriend got pregnant and there was a problem I would want her to get an abortion. What kind of life would that be for the child, or us?I don't want to sound insensitive, but he/she would be a tax burden on society as well. I have a lot of respect for parents who have a child that is challenged. All I'm thinking is what would be best for all of us.

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#12 krazykillaz
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Depends on what it is.
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#13 YourChaosIsntMe
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I support the option of an abortion simply because a child is inconvenient...so yes.
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#14 The_Sand_Man
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It would depend on how serious the disease was and if I was a female.
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#15 Famiking
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Most likely not. Even if it can in some way affect their life. People need to realize that people get over these things.
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#16 deactivated-5e7f221e304c9
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Only if it's still in the 1st/2nd trimester.
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#17 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Famiking"]Most likely not. Even if it can in some way affect their life. People need to realize that people get over these things.

I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeed
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#18 Luncbox1
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Most likely not. Even if it can in some way affect their life. People need to realize that people get over these things.

I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeed

If the goal of life is happiness, a person with Downs Syndrom often completes that goal better than people without it.
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#19 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Most likely not. Even if it can in some way affect their life. People need to realize that people get over these things.Luncbox1
I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeed

If the goal of life is happiness, a person with Downs Syndrom often completes that goal better than people without it.

I don't my child to be happy because he is too oblivious to realize what is going on around him.

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#20 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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it would be her desicion to make, its not like i'm the one holding the kid in my body
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#21 OfficialBed
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I really don't know...

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#22 FreezeBlast95
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I would have her get an abortion even if it wasn't dying or w/e I never want kids. And if she's a ***** she be fallen tripping down some stairs if you catch ma drfit

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#23 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Famiking"]Most likely not. Even if it can in some way affect their life. People need to realize that people get over these things.

I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeed

Them being happy is all I care about. My baby sister is also sick (not a mental disease). I thought I'd never get over it - but it's been 3 years and she's still alive and well and I honestly forget she's sick a lot of the time, it's at the back of my mind.
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#24 Luncbox1
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[QUOTE="Luncbox1"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeedToriko42

If the goal of life is happiness, a person with Downs Syndrom often completes that goal better than people without it.

I don't my child to be happy because he is too oblivious to realize what is going on around him.

To a certain extent everyone is too oblivious to see what's happening around them.
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#25 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Luncbox1"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] I'd never get over the fact that my child had downs syndrome for example, I just couldn't bear it as a parent. I want my child to succeedToriko42

If the goal of life is happiness, a person with Downs Syndrom often completes that goal better than people without it.

I don't my child to be happy because he is too oblivious to realize what is going on around him.

Happiness is happiness, doesn't matter where it comes from unless it comes from paedophilia or something.
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#26 deactivated-59d151f079814
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As a guy i try never to have a opinion about it, because its flat out not my decision.. In my mind I consider this a blessing for I don't have to make such decisions that some would seem morally significant.
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#27 CleanPlayer
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No, a life is still a life.
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#28 Ceraby
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Nah I'd give birth to the child, with or without some disease. I just hope it's not the type that makes them painfully aware of their own suffering.

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#29 Faber_Fighter
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Hard question, guess it depends. If the child would be very hard to take care if, as well as very expensive to the point where you might have financial issues then i would no doubt want an abortion for the child.
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#30 Deihjan
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if my child proved to be very mentally challenged or had a major handicap, it wouldn't be fair to me OR the child to keep up the pregnancy. If it was something minor, possibly curable, I would keep the child. I doubt I can take care of a sick child that needs care 24/7 till it's 30.
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#31 HitomiChan
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No, a life is still a life. CleanPlayer
i agree.. but i still dont know me real answer..:|

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#32 Planeforger
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I suppose that I would - I'd want my children to have the best chance at a happy, healthy life. Then again, abortion has negative psychological effects on the mother...hm...I don't know.

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#33 spoofnutz
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Before the first 3 months of pregnancy, the nervous system is not developed sufficiently enough to feel pain or experience consciousness, so yes, and besides, abortions are illegal anywhere after that period anyway, so it's a moot point.

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#34 deactivated-60f8966fb59f5
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How about if we just don't want it? It's never about how much the child will suffer -- it's about how much we are willing to deal with it. The worst suffering is always at least marginally better than death.
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#35 spoofnutz
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How about if we just don't want it? It's never about how much the child will suffer -- it's about how much we are willing to deal with it.Welkabonz

That's just not practical or fair on a/an humanitarian level.

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#36 WhiteSnake5000
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If it was my choice and I knew 100% this kid was going to be ****ed up for the rest of his or her life, I would do them the favor of not bringing them into this world. I would expect the same from them. Except one thing, I'm a guy, so like I'd have to convince my wife/girlfriend or whatever too, maybe she doesn't want to do that... and well I think it's up to her to have the kid or not.
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[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]How about if we just don't want it? It's never about how much the child will suffer -- it's about how much we are willing to deal with it.spoofnutz

That's just not practical or fair on a/an humanitarian level.

There is no such thing as fairness, as fairness is a matter of perspective --- just degrees of concessions we are willing to adapt to and accept.
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#38 spoofnutz
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[QUOTE="spoofnutz"]

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]How about if we just don't want it? It's never about how much the child will suffer -- it's about how much we are willing to deal with it.Welkabonz

That's just not practical or fair on a/an humanitarian level.

There is no such thing as fairness, as fairness is a matter of perspective --- just degrees of concessions we are willing to adapt to and accept.

One cannot let ones personal emotional selfishness interfere with what is humanly just.

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#39 boyman143
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i would consider it
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#40 StaticPenguin
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Honestly I think it would better to abort it rather than making it live it's life with it's handicap.

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#41 Deihjan
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Honestly I think it would better to abort it rather than making it live it's life with it's handicap.

Raikoh_
Like the mother and her brainless baby? It's stories like that, that makes me feel uncomfortable with being a woman. It's a big decision to get an abortion, but in some cases it's the best way out. For you AND the child.
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#42 boyman143
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="Raikoh_"]

Honestly I think it would better to abort it rather than making it live it's life with it's handicap.

Like the mother and her brainless baby? It's stories like that, that makes me feel uncomfortable with being a woman. It's a big decision to get an abortion, but in some cases it's the best way out. For you AND the child.

technology makes it easier some of these diseases you can know know in the first month
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#43 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="boyman143"][QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="Raikoh_"]

Honestly I think it would better to abort it rather than making it live it's life with it's handicap.

Like the mother and her brainless baby? It's stories like that, that makes me feel uncomfortable with being a woman. It's a big decision to get an abortion, but in some cases it's the best way out. For you AND the child.

technology makes it easier some of these diseases you can know know in the first month

Yeah, and that's why I think it's much easier for me, as a future mother, to make that decision, wether to keep the child or not. But my only problem is how the father would feel.
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#44 StaticPenguin
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technology makes it easier some of these diseases you can know know in the first month boyman143
And what about the ones that can't be helped? I see a lady come into work all the time with her child, who's stuck in a wheelchair, and is pretty much a vegetable. He can move his eyes, and his head slightly. I can't imagine how hard it must be for them all.
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#45 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="boyman143"]technology makes it easier some of these diseases you can know know in the first month Raikoh_
And what about the ones that can't be helped? I see a lady come into work all the time with her child, who's stuck in a wheelchair, and is pretty much a vegetable. He can move his eyes, and his head slightly. I can't imagine how hard it must be for them all.

One of the cases where I'd get an abortion, for the sake of myself, my family and the child. It's not a life, not to me atleast, to sit in a wheelchair and be able to HARGBLARGLBLARG drool on yourself x.x
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#46 VaguelyTagged
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noway, i'd pop the slur off
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#47 Head_of_games
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So, suffer or dead? I don't think we should make that choice for the kid.
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[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="spoofnutz"]

That's just not practical or fair on a/an humanitarian level.

spoofnutz

There is no such thing as fairness, as fairness is a matter of perspective --- just degrees of concessions we are willing to adapt to and accept.

One cannot let ones personal emotional selfishness interfere with what is humanly just.

One cannot allow themselves to assume that their perception of morality and humanism is static in relation to the perspective of others. You're making connections between humanism, ethics, sentient life, and a developing fetus. I'm not going to attempt to refute this, because it relates to ethics and morals, and I can't tell you what ethics and morals are for you. Importantly, Welka is making the implication that his well-being is of more consequence than a developing fetus's. This is an inarguable truth for me. I have done a wealth of research on abortion, in terms of psychology, physiology, et cetera, in relation to both the fetus and the mother (this was all done in a Cultural Anthropology course). There is little beyond emotional appeal and subjective opinion (heavily influenced by theology) that validates an assumption about the relationship between humanism and the choice for or against the procedure. Furthermore, though this is slightly off-topic, I would argue that due to moral and ethical standards as defined by our culture(s), the rate of abortion is far lower than it should be, considering population, available resources, fluctuations in the labor force, the effects that the expanding population will have on the social safety net(s) of various nations, the diminishing per capita GDP and CPI (consumer price index) globally, etc.

Guys...stop mentioning "the kid" or "child." This hypothetical "kid" we speak of is physiologically and biologically analogous (not necessarily homologous) with any "simple" eukaryotic multicellular organism. What it will be in 5 months, 9 months, or 12 years is irrelevant. "This kid" we speak of has about as much value (in terms of ethical or moral considerations) as an Amoeba.

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No, I do not believe in abortions. It is just wrong.
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#50 AlphaRail
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I would have her get an abortion even if it wasn't dying or w/e I never want kids. And if she's a ***** she be fallen tripping down some stairs if you catch ma drfit

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Did EVERYONE miss this, or is it just me who can see this post...wow :|. Whether I was the guy or the woman I would get an abortion most likely...I want my child to be successful, go far in life..as much as I know that a down syndrome child would most likely feel better throughout life, they would not be successful in my mind.