Would you live in the perfect Communist society (as envisioned by Marx)?

THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL AS IF IT ACTUALLY WORKED AND LASTED FOREVER WITH NO CORRUPTION.

Communism was not the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, N. Korea, or any country in world history. The basic philosophies of communism are:

- The people control the means of production; no business owners

- capital is removed (no money)

- the government withers away

- no exploitation of the workers

- no social c l a s s e s, so no c l a s s struggles (rich vs. poor = no more)

- everyone works and everyone has enough "to each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs"

- A united people, completely equal to the tee.

- *arguably* disestablishment of religion

ETC (read up on the philosophy if you don't know it). Would you live in a Communist society without corruption?

- "I don't like money, it's the reason we fight."

Not in present society.

But it would be nice to live in the past where there were just small villages and no government, before there was even capitalism.

what do you think russia, china, North Korea, and cuba where trying to do in the first place
the same thing but it still didn't work out
i just whish the US could go back to being a true democracy again
but it just won't happen......GC4ever

THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL AS IF IT ACTUALLY WORKED AND LASTED FOREVER WITH NO CORRUPTION.

Communism was not the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, N. Korea, or any country in world history. The basic philosophies of communism are:

- The people control the means of production; no business owners

- capital is removed (no money)

- the government withers away

- no exploitation of the workers

- no social c l a s s e s, so no c l a s s struggles (rich vs. poor = no more)

- everyone works and everyone has enough "to each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs"

- A united people, completely equal to the tee.

- *arguably* disestablishment of religion

ETC (read up on the philosophy if you don't know it). Would you live in a Communist society without corruption?

- "I don't like money, it's the reason we fight."

CruxisXIII

1 business owners are people, and if the company is public there isnt a business "owner" only a chairman.

3. the same thing can be done with capitalism. not necessairly saying it would be nice or anything, but in a communist place with no government youll get just as much theft and violence.

4. you're only"exploited" if you let yourself be. you are getting paid, so i fail to see how you're getting exploited. Its an exchange. If I gave you 30 watermelons to fix my car, are you exploited? no you arent but for some reason when you bring MONEY into it its "exploitation"

5. is the biggest joke ever. im reminded of a recent debate I had on soulseek about this with some know it all socialist and i had him so cornered that he said humans had to "evolve" before anything could happen. but the argument was (in a very stripped down manner for gs) what if my need is more than we produce? whos gonna make more? what if its 3 am and all farmers and such are closed and i took so much food that there was none left? I had a party you know?

he knew the LAST thing he wanted to say is that there would be a restriction on what you could have.

6.Id rather live in an unequal society, with limitless possibilities for anyone. But I guess my opinions wouldnt matter in this setting? Since blatant majority rule would weed me out?

7. Look at that stupid beard.

Hurrah for capitalism, the only logical way.

what do you think russia, china, North Korea, and cuba where trying to do in the first place
the same thing but it still didn't work out
i just whish the US could go back to being a true democracy again
but it just won't happen......GC4ever

America has never been a democracy. that is a GOOD thing too.

Constitutional Republic > Democracy. I wouldnt want to endure a pure democracy.

It would never work. Capitalism works out so well because Capitalism is fueled by each individuals' want to gain money/power. If everyone was treated the exact same, there would be no incentive to invent new technology or to do a better job then others, because you wouldn't be paid better for it and you wouldn't be treated better than other people.Kuhu

This.

There is no other acceptable answer.

I would so long as I

a) got to keep my profession

b) got to keep smoking copious amounts of weed, and could keep doing my other hobbies and had the time to

c) got the car I've always wanted out of the deal

[QUOTE="Kuhu"]It would never work. Capitalism works out so well because Capitalism is fueled by each individuals' want to gain money/power. If everyone was treated the exact same, there would be no incentive to invent new technology or to do a better job then others, because you wouldn't be paid better for it and you wouldn't be treated better than other people.Episode_666

This.

There is no other acceptable answer.

It would never work. Capitalism works out so well because Capitalism is fueled by each individuals' want to gain money/power. If everyone was treated the exact same, there would be no incentive to invent new technology or to do a better job then others, because you wouldn't be paid better for it and you wouldn't be treated better than other people.Kuhu

I would so long as I

a) got to keep my profession

b) got to keep smoking copious amounts of weed, and could keep doing my other hobbies and had the time to

c) got the car I've always wanted out of the deal

hammerofcrom

[QUOTE="Kuhu"]It would never work. Capitalism works out so well because Capitalism is fueled by each individuals' want to gain money/power. If everyone was treated the exact same, there would be no incentive to invent new technology or to do a better job then others, because you wouldn't be paid better for it and you wouldn't be treated better than other people.Episode_666

This.

There is no other acceptable answer.

I wouldn't want to live in it. I don't like the idea of earning the same amount as someone who doesn't do the same quality or type of work. Also, in a communist society you are working for the well being of other people, not yourself and i don't like that.

I would not want to.

I want to own the products of my mind so no.Mafiree

you dont, and never can. How many people here actually read the Communist Manifesto?

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]I want to own the products of my mind so no.Democratik

you dont, and never can. How many people here actually read the Communist Manifesto?

Nope, there are no values.Welkabonz

The idea of Communism is still flawed even without the examples we have today. If we're all equal, it's a pretty fair bet we're all going to be equally poor all together.

no. it would remove personal responsibility from my life.

[QUOTE="Democratik"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]I want to own the products of my mind so no.Mafiree

you dont, and never can. How many people here actually read the Communist Manifesto?

Having actually read the Communist Manifesto, I must say that while the basic idea of a Marxist society would be great if it worked, there's a lot of "LOL WUT" worthy material in the details of his grand vision for a Marxist world...

I think a more practical use of socialism makes sense

for example, you can own your business individually unless it becomes a public corporation(definition would slighty differ to what it is now), then the workers should own the business.

provide healthcare to all

give great public education

public housing for those who need it

police force etc (obvious stuff)

Wow, it seems that almost no one here knows what hypothetical means.

[QUOTE="Democratik"] Ive listened to it on audiobook, and frankly it was pretty awful. Ayn Rand might actually be one of the worst philosophers of our time. If you invented light bulbs, you cant stop another man from figuring out how it was made. Intellectual property is a lie on all levels.Mafiree

Sounds like a veritable hell. I would definitely remain in the states. Though I would take part in bombing your said little country once you guys go ape **** like all commie countries tend to do.

Sounds like a veritable hell. I would definitely remain in the states. Though I would take part in bombing your said little country once you guys go ape **** like all commie countries tend to do.

jer_1

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

Sounds like a veritable hell. I would definitely remain in the states. Though I would take part in bombing your said little country once you guys go ape **** like all commie countries tend to do.

Democratik

Well, except North Korea and Vietnam.

Not that those countries were an example of Marxist Communism though.

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

Sounds like a veritable hell. I would definitely remain in the states. Though I would take part in bombing your said little country once you guys go ape **** like all commie countries tend to do.

_BlueDuck_

Well, except North Korea and Vietnam.

Not that those countries were an example of Marxist Communism though.

Wow, it seems that almost no one here knows what hypothetical means.

GTALoco

maybe, I'd much rather prefer Thomas Moore's Utopia though.